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15:00:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
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15:00:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:00:38 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2015
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15:01:18 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Pknapp, DBooth
15:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tony, Marc_Twagirumukiza, RRSAgent, dbooth, bpech, Claude, Pknapp, egonw_, TallTed, Zakim, ericP, cloudcell_, trackbot
15:01:31 <Zakim> +bpech
15:01:35 <dbooth> zakim, IPcaller is Claude
15:01:35 <Zakim> +Claude; got it
15:01:39 <Zakim> +Darrell
15:01:57 <Zakim> +Marc_Twagirumukiza
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15:02:24 <Claude> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
15:02:27 <dbooth> Agenda: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
15:02:37 <Zakim> -Pknapp
15:02:50 <dbooth> scribe list: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_Group_Scribe_List
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15:04:03 <dbooth> ScribeNick: Kerstin_Forsberg
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15:05:04 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
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15:05:17 <dbooth> Last week's minutes: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150310
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15:07:09 <kerfors> CCDA Examples from John
15:07:13 <dbooth> topic: FHIR RDF project scope statement
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15:08:19 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task force
15:08:30 <dbooth> Notes from TF: http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-hcls-minutes.html
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15:10:08 <rhausam> zakim, aacc is rhausam
15:10:08 <Zakim> +rhausam; got it
15:10:41 <kerfors> FHIR codes = FHIR RDF should use short code?
15:10:54 <kerfors> Eric: FHIR codes = FHIR RDF should use short code?
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15:11:24 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR JSON-LD update
15:11:32 <dbooth> http://dbooth.org/2015/fhir/json-ld/fhir-in-json-ld.pdf
15:11:39 <harry_> zakim, aadd is harryh
15:11:39 <Zakim> +harryh; got it
15:14:14 <kerfors> David: slide 2 - FHIR JSON-LD what @context should be handled? Best done direct as the other serialisations. Can't be anything missing or added outside
15:15:55 <kerfors> David: Doing things more natural for RDF e.g. treating "id" as URIs is not a good way
15:16:47 <kerfors> David: Require logic to create and roundtrip. So instead keep "id"
15:17:53 <kerfors> David: Keep FHIR declarations of – fhir:resourceType as rdfs:subPropertyOf 
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15:19:10 <kerfors> David: slide 4 Most issues seems to be managaeble
15:19:45 <kerfors> David: – • FHIR RDF will need custom serializationi to JSON-LD
15:20:50 <kerfors> David: slide 5 Raw Observation -> Fully Understood Observation
15:22:53 <kerfors> Tony: Back to ID discussion (slide 2) - How about doing both - keep 'id' and create URIs? Is this a win/win with both raw and understood also for identifiers
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15:25:49 <kerfors> David: FHIR uses a closed content model.
15:29:31 <Zakim> -Claude
15:29:54 <kerfors> David: slide 6 - Did find a "bad" thing: Element type depends on context. FHIR need the ordering of elements to be preserved. Can this be done with RDF lists to preserve the order?
15:30:42 <kerfors> Eric: Is it a help if the order is controlled by the content model instead?
15:32:25 <kerfors> David: However, downside with RDF lists - not good for SPARQL and inference
15:33:13 <kerfors> David: RDF to RDF translations needed - can this be the place to use a ordered list ontology?
15:36:06 <kerfors> David: slide 9 JSON-LD vs Turtle show that there needs always be lists also for single code e.g. fhir:code ( "3141­9" ) in the middle of slide 9
15:39:50 <kerfors> Tony: Underlying problem: FHIR uses local names e.g. code similar to name for person vs organisation... ... Discussion of alternative solutions between David, Tony, Eric P ... ...
15:43:03 <kerfors> Tony: The profile give the context. Eric P: Needs clever parsers but this is not what you want to do.
15:44:10 <kerfors> Eric P: Push back to FHIR group to help developers
15:46:23 <kerfors> David: slide 10 with different options
15:46:47 <kerfors> David: Add the push back as a fourtfh option
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15:48:55 <kerfors> David: Slide 10 - Different ways forward - Make FHIR JSON to be JSON-LD vs Custom RDF
15:50:49 <kerfors> David: A third option - first a very direct RDF translation not ideal for inference as a base layer RDF. And then have other forms generated that are more friendly for inferenceing
15:52:43 <kerfors> Eric P: Hierarchies of code and resources seem to be the two core things to manage. Don't see that big step between them
15:53:27 <kerfors> Tony: Agree don't see that big gap either
15:54:25 <kerfors> Tony: Evaluate the 3 options against the 14 requirements we have defined
15:55:14 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:55:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, bpech, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, Kerstin_Forsberg, Joshua, ericP, rafael, rhausam, harryh, Darrell, Guoqian, [IPcaller]
15:55:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see GJiang, harry_, rhausam, rafael, Joshua_Phillips, kerfors, Tony, Marc_Twagirumukiza, RRSAgent, dbooth, bpech, Claude, egonw_, TallTed, Zakim, ericP, cloudcell_,
15:55:17 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:56:10 <kerfors> Tony: Terminology binding seems to be the core thing
15:57:31 <kerfors> David: Identify specific issues and test them against the three different options
15:57:36 <Zakim> -Joshua
15:57:48 <Zakim> -harryh
15:58:09 <kerfors> David: What to people need to see to do the review?
15:58:41 <Zakim> -Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:59:10 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:59:11 <kerfors> yes hear you
16:00:53 <dbooth> ACTION: Eric to suggest use cases to look at
16:00:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Suggest use cases to look at [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-24].
16:00:53 <kerfors> Eric P: Go to the meaningful use cases to nail down ... ... the inferencing we can do with RDF and not in XML
16:01:04 <Zakim> -bpech
16:01:55 <kerfors> Tony: Patient safety use case ... ...
16:03:03 <kerfors> Eric: SNOMED has hierarchy and LOINC has 7 different dimensions but no hierarchy
16:03:34 <Zakim> -Guoqian
16:03:53 <dbooth> ACTION: Rob Hausam to send example of multi-axial hierarchy in LOINC
16:03:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Hausam to send example of multi-axial hierarchy in loinc [on Rob Frost - due 2015-03-24].
16:04:18 <kerfors> sorry have to leave
16:04:28 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:05:20 <dbooth> Rafael's use case: http://dbooth.org/2014/richards/Linked%20Vitals-20141112-v1.pdf
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16:06:45 <rhausam> http://loinc.org/downloads
16:07:29 <rhausam> go to "LOINC Multiaxial Hierarchy File"
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16:08:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Pknapp, Darrell, DBooth, bpech, Claude, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, Kerstin_Forsberg, +1.410.624.aaaa, Joshua, +1.410.905.aabb, ericP, rafael, +1.801.810.aacc,
16:08:57 <Zakim> ... rhausam, +1.412.624.aadd, harryh, Guoqian, [IPcaller]
16:14:00 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:14:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/17-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:14:43 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
16:15:41 <dbooth> i/FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task force/Claude: Will start drafting it this week
16:16:00 <dbooth> ScribeNick: kerfors
16:16:10 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:17:31 <dbooth> s|Translation Task force/Claude|Claude|
16:18:11 <dbooth> i/Approve Minutes of previous meetings/scribenick: kerfors
16:19:00 <dbooth> i/CCDA Examples from John/RESOLVED: Minutes of Mar 10 approved!
16:19:06 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:22:48 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:23:05 <dbooth> s/What to people/What do people/
16:23:10 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:23:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/17-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:26:43 <ericP> dbooth, do you remember if i was supposed to deliver anything to the V&T group this week?
16:27:09 <ericP> i have a nagging feeling that i was, but it never materializes beyond that.
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22:16:13 <dbooth> Present: Paul_Knapp Darrell David_Booth Brian_Pech Claude_Nanjo Marc_Twagirumukiza Tony_Mallia Kerstin_Forsberg Joshua EricP Rafael_Richards Rob_Hausam harryh Guoqian
22:16:18 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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22:16:31 <ericP> dbooth, do you remember if i was supposed to deliver anything to the V&T group this week?
22:16:34 <ericP> i have a nagging feeling that i was, but it never materializes beyond that.
22:16:45 <dbooth> ericP, checking...
22:17:52 <dbooth> maybe getting the Makefile to work fully?
22:18:17 <dbooth> like adding a line to load hutools
22:18:21 <ericP> oh right, scripting the python module stuff
22:18:27 <dbooth> not sure what else
22:18:27 <ericP> tx
22:19:03 <dbooth> but it would be good to think about what else we should try to do on the call
22:19:08 <dbooth> also
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