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<trackbot> Date: 11 March 2015
<scribe> scribe: AnnB
<scribe> scribenick: AnnB
<elf-pavlik> action-3
<trackbot> action-3 -- Daniel Harris to Write carpooling use case (case of p2p marketplace) -- due 2015-02-11 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/actions/3
<elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
elf: did people have a chance to review that wiki page?
Ann: still in development, but a huge leap forward
Lloyd: could this tool be used with external people or entities? eg, the supply chain
AdamB: has been discussed quite a
bit; but hard to do without security risks
... we do have a Reverse Proxy system, where external people
can login at the firewall ..
... but we haven't applied it yet to our social tool
Lloyd: all sounds good; wondering how these standards will apply to your work
AdamB: we're such a huge company,
we're like a microcosm of the public internet
... problems we have are similar
Jules: we need to bridge silos, across the company
AdamB: yes, huge
Lloyd: we need to try to make this work for Boeing, as we're a big adopter
<elf-pavlik> AdamB, do you have concepts like Event (temporal) or Place (spacial) used in inSite?
<AdamB> yeah, we have Events
<AdamB> we do have Locations
<AdamB> work locations, work regions
<elf-pavlik> how about Venues, Facilities?
<AdamB> yeah, we have "buildings'
<AdamB> buildings
<AdamB> along with organizational data as well
Jules: if you look at people's profiles, we have regions .. organizations .. divisions ... accounting depts ..
<elf-pavlik> Company specific information, contact, boss etc. all coming out of corporate information databases
AnnB: that info is coming out of corporate databases .. are those equivalent to vocabularies?
Jules: sort of, not exactly .. 2
levels
... Library deals more with populating the values,
<elf-pavlik> makes sense Jules
Jules: these roles are merging .. we now work as much with ontologies, schemas, models
<elf-pavlik> Jules, do you see it related to http://schema.org/Enumeration
Jules: these are all
vocabularies
... controlled field-names
... more of "model" for describing X type of info
... then have to think about the values that populate the
model
... eg "Boeing Designated Expert" is a class that's in a model
for insite
<elf-pavlik> Jules, something similar to http://schema.org/Enumeration ?
Jules: underneath BDE, is the
taxonomy of different types of expertise (all the engineering
skills ... eg. , computational fluid dynamics)
... you want people to select those terms from controlled
vocabulary, so that profiles will be consistent
Lloyd: do you also use those terms for Processes?
Jules: we'd like to!
... not yet, so much
... still inconsistent across the company
... working with our Enterprise Architecture group to be more
standardized ... but it's slow
Lloyd: sounds like this all runs through the Boeing Library?
Jules: in our dreams!
... very much a work in progress
... trying to promote standards
... trying to create and manage vocabularies so people won't
reinvent the wheel
Lloyd: does W3C play a role in that, re: standards?
Jules: yes, definitely a role .. if I'm building an ontology, and can find one that exists, I'll try to map Boeing's stuff to that .. not easy
Lloyd: eg, map "computational fluid dynamics" to entry in DBpedia
<elf-pavlik> http://www.wikidata.org/ & http://dbpedia.org
Andy: yes .. we might be influenced by that, but not actually making explicit URI refs
<elf-pavlik> how about sameAs ?
Andy: we might use the term as it stands in DBpedia, but not make the external link
<elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan++
Andy: we are moving toward using a lot of the OWL formats, and RDF
<Loqi> Andy_Donovan has 1 karma
Jules: moving that way, but not there yet
Lloyd: sounds important that you're moving toward RDF
Andy: we're using a tool right
now that doesn't use RDF .. so we need to move to a tool that
does
... plus we're using a huge internal Thesaurus, created over 50
years, toward new techniques
<elf-pavlik> SKOS
<elf-pavlik> http://schema.org/Enumeration
<elf-pavlik> Jules, but more than just a list, can have hierarchies
depends on need
and complexity of domain
<elf-pavlik> thank you Jules :)
<elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan, Jules maybe useful for you http://www.productontology.org/
Jules: what you're calling a vocabulary, is to me more like a 'schema'
AdamB: we have Activity Streams,
but did not implement the spec
... moving toward AS2.0
<Andy_Donovan> thanks elf! I haven't seen that before
AdamB: we see activities as being potentially broad .. could be an alert generated by a Raspberry PI going off on something
<elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan, see FAQ: http://www.productontology.org/#faq
Lloyd: sounds important to
combine internal and external standards
... will help validate AS2.0
<elf-pavlik> AdamB++
<Loqi> AdamB has 4 karma
AnnB: we try to establish
standards internally -- and to use public stds as
possible
... but really hard to get people to abide by them
AdamB: yes, we try to lead by
example
... embedding these standards into insite
Jules: yes, definitely trying to move the Library bodies of info toward more semantic standards
<elf-pavlik> AnnB++
<Loqi> AnnB has 8 karma
<elf-pavlik> AnnB: Lloyd_Fassett you work in recruiting, would youl like to talk about your vocabulary requirements?
Lloyd: yes ... for crowdsourcing recruiting / looking for jobs
<elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: we let users and multiple companies produce and consume - collaborating on vocabularies
Lloyd: other extensions, e.g.,
availability
... eg. ,available next Wed at 3pm, or available to change
jobs?
... would like to create the questions, as well as the
terms
... once you interact with someone, you should be able to find
them again
... on open internet
Jules: I hope we'll evolve toward
open "knowledge" / social graph
... hoping our vocabulary management can provide foundation so
that's well -structured
<AdamB> apologies, i need to drop off
<elf-pavlik> AnnB, we shuld bring Boeing crew appreciation for RDF to WG face 2 face next week....
Lloyd: yes, absolutely
bye Adam
yes, elf
Lloyd: also need to use
vocabularies for controls of privacy / IP / etc
... vocabularies will be fantastic enabler of
collaboration
... my main interest is how are Boeing uses vocabularies
... regret that EdK couldn't be here
... would like to know similar re: Ford
... W3C seeks "real-world" direction
<elf-pavlik> AnnB, still here
<elf-pavlik> trackbot, end meeting
<elf-pavlik> done!
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