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16:03:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
16:03:25 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2015
16:03:46 <AnnB> scribe: AnnB
16:03:50 <elf-pavlik> chair: elf-pavlik
16:04:04 <AnnB> scribenick: AnnB
16:04:06 <elf-pavlik> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-03-11
16:04:17 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
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16:04:55 <elf-pavlik> present: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
16:05:08 <elf-pavlik> action-3
16:05:09 <trackbot> action-3 -- Daniel Harris to Write carpooling use case (case of p2p marketplace) -- due 2015-02-11 -- CLOSED
16:05:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/actions/3
16:05:33 <elf-pavlik> topic: Mapping API User Stories to Vocabulary terms
16:05:47 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
16:06:19 <AnnB> elf: did people have a chance to review that wiki page?
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16:30:50 <AnnB> Ann:  still in development, but a huge leap forward
16:31:10 <AnnB> Lloyd:  could this tool be used with external people or entities?  eg, the supply chain
16:31:36 <AnnB> AdamB:  has been discussed quite a bit; but hard to do without security risks
16:32:29 <AnnB> ... we do have a Reverse Proxy system, where external people can login at the firewall ..
16:32:39 <AnnB> .. but we haven't applied it yet to our social tool
16:33:03 <AnnB> Lloyd: all sounds good; wondering how these standards will apply to your work
16:33:49 <AnnB> AdamB:  we're such a huge company, we're like a microcosm of the public internet
16:33:58 <AnnB> ... problems we have are similar
16:34:08 <AnnB> Jules: we need to bridge silos, across the company
16:34:16 <AnnB> AdamB: yes, huge
16:36:07 <AnnB> Lloyd:  we need to try to make this work for Boeing, as we're a big adopter
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16:36:34 <elf-pavlik> AdamB, do you have concepts like Event (temporal) or Place (spacial) used in inSite?
16:36:45 <AdamB> yeah, we have Events
16:36:54 <AdamB> we do have Locations
16:37:01 <AdamB> work locations, work regions
16:37:08 <elf-pavlik> how about Venues, Facilities?
16:37:16 <AdamB> yeah, we have "buildings'
16:37:18 <AdamB> buildings
16:37:25 <AdamB> along with organizational data as well
16:37:28 <AnnB> Jules:  if you look at people's profiles, we have regions .. organizations ..  divisions ... accounting depts ..
16:38:03 <elf-pavlik> Company specific information, contact, boss etc. all coming out of corporate information databases
16:38:29 <AnnB> AnnB:  that info is coming out of corporate databases .. are those equivalent to vocabularies?
16:38:44 <AnnB> Jules:  sort of, not exactly .. 2 levels
16:39:23 <AnnB> ... Library deals more with populating the values,
16:39:43 <elf-pavlik> makes sense Jules
16:40:05 <AnnB> ... these roles are merging .. we now work as much with ontologies, schemas, models
16:40:10 <elf-pavlik> Jules, do you see it related to http://schema.org/Enumeration
16:40:16 <AnnB> ... these are all vocabularies
16:40:21 <AnnB> ... controlled field-names
16:40:36 <AnnB> ... more of "model" for describing X type of info
16:40:47 <AnnB> ... then have to think about the values that populate the model
16:41:18 <AnnB> ... eg "Boeing Designated Expert" is a class that's in a model for insite
16:41:51 <elf-pavlik> Jules, something similar to http://schema.org/Enumeration ?
16:41:59 <AnnB> ... underneath BDE, is the taxonomy of different types of expertise (all the engineering skills ... eg. , computational fluid dynamics)
16:42:25 <AnnB> ... you want people to select those terms from controlled vocabulary, so that profiles will be consistent
16:42:37 <AnnB> Lloyd:  do you also use those terms for Processes?
16:42:41 <AnnB> Jules:  we'd like to!
16:42:47 <AnnB> ... not yet, so much
16:42:59 <AnnB> ... still inconsistent across the company
16:43:15 <AnnB> .. working with our Enterprise Architecture group to be more standardized ... but it's slow
16:43:33 <AnnB> Lloyd:  sounds like this all runs through the Boeing Library?
16:43:37 <AnnB> Jules:  in our dreams!
16:44:01 <AnnB> Jules:  very much a work in progress
16:44:14 <AnnB> ... trying to promote standards
16:44:30 <AnnB> ... trying to create and manage vocabularies so people won't reinvent the wheel
16:44:43 <AnnB> Lloyd:  does W3C play a role in that, re: standards?
16:45:26 <AnnB> Jules:  yes, definitely a role .. if I'm building an ontology, and can find one that exists, I'll try to map Boeing's stuff to that .. not easy
16:45:49 <AnnB> Lloyd:  eg, map "computational fluid dynamics" to entry in DBpedia
16:46:02 <elf-pavlik> http://www.wikidata.org/ & http://dbpedia.org
16:46:24 <AnnB> Andy:  yes .. we might be influenced by that, but not actually making explicit URI refs
16:46:30 <elf-pavlik> how about sameAs ?
16:46:43 <AnnB> ... we might use the term as it stands in DBpedia, but not make the external link
16:47:03 <elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan++
16:47:04 <AnnB> ... we are moving toward using a lot of the OWL formats, and RDF
16:47:04 <Loqi> Andy_Donovan has 1 karma
16:47:15 <AnnB> Jules:  moving that way, but not there yet
16:47:41 <AnnB> Lloyd:  sounds important that you're moving toward RDF
16:48:07 <AnnB> Andy:  we're using a tool right now that doesn't use RDF .. so we need to move to a tool that does
16:48:35 <AnnB> ... plus we're using a huge internal Thesaurus, created over 50 years, toward new techniques
16:48:37 <elf-pavlik> SKOS
16:49:08 <elf-pavlik> http://schema.org/Enumeration
16:49:45 <elf-pavlik> Jules, but more than just a list, can have hierarchies
16:50:01 <AnnB> depends on need
16:50:05 <AnnB> and complexity of domain
16:50:10 <elf-pavlik> thank you Jules :)
16:50:48 <elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan, Jules maybe useful for you http://www.productontology.org/
16:51:06 <AnnB> Jules: what you're calling a vocabulary, is to me more like a 'schema'
16:51:26 <AnnB> AdamB: we have Activity Streams, but did not implement the spec
16:51:32 <AnnB> ... moving toward AS2.0
16:51:32 <Andy_Donovan> thanks elf!  I haven't seen that before
16:52:09 <AnnB> ... we see activities as being potentially broad .. could be an alert generated by a Raspberry PI going off on something
16:52:41 <elf-pavlik> Andy_Donovan, see FAQ: http://www.productontology.org/#faq
16:52:42 <AnnB> Lloyd:  sounds important to combine internal and external standards
16:53:07 <AnnB> ... will help validate AS2.0
16:54:13 <elf-pavlik> AdamB++
16:54:15 <Loqi> AdamB has 4 karma
16:54:18 <AnnB> AnnB: we try to establish standards internally -- and to use public stds as possible
16:54:26 <AnnB> .. but really hard to get people to abide by them
16:55:15 <AnnB> AdamB: yes, we try to lead by example
16:55:28 <AnnB> ... embedding these standards into insite
16:55:53 <AnnB> Jules:  yes, definitely trying to move the Library bodies of info toward more semantic standards
16:56:34 <elf-pavlik> AnnB++
16:56:36 <Loqi> AnnB has 8 karma
16:57:21 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: Lloyd_Fassett you work in recruiting, would youl like to talk about your vocabulary requirements?
16:57:51 <AnnB> Lloyd:  yes ... for crowdsourcing recruiting / looking for jobs
16:58:01 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: we let users and multiple companies produce and consume - collaborating on vocabularies
16:58:03 <AnnB> ... other extensions, e.g., availability
16:58:27 <AnnB> ... eg. ,available next Wed at 3pm, or available to change jobs?
16:59:14 <AnnB> Lloyd: would like to create the questions, as well as the terms
17:00:08 <AnnB> ... once you interact with someone, you should be able to find them again
17:00:13 <AnnB> ... on open internet
17:00:32 <AnnB> Jules:  I hope we'll evolve toward open "knowledge" / social graph
17:00:56 <AnnB> ... hoping our vocabulary management can provide foundation so that's well -structured
17:01:07 <AdamB> apologies, i need to drop off
17:01:07 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, we shuld bring Boeing crew appreciation for RDF to WG face 2 face next week....
17:01:07 <AnnB> Lloyd: yes, absolutely
17:01:13 <Zakim> -AdamB
17:01:14 <AnnB> bye Adam
17:01:38 <AnnB> yes, elf
17:02:49 <AnnB> Lloyd:  also need to use vocabularies for controls of privacy / IP / etc
17:03:09 <AnnB> ... vocabularies will be fantastic enabler of collaboration
17:04:08 <AnnB> ... my main interest is how are Boeing uses vocabularies
17:04:16 <AnnB> ... regret that EdK couldn't be here
17:04:23 <AnnB> ... would like to know similar re: Ford
17:04:37 <AnnB> ... W3C seeks "real-world" direction
17:05:49 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, still here
17:06:04 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, end meeting
17:06:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:06:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ann, +1.206.261.aaaa, +1.425.965.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett, elf-pavlik, Jules, Andy_Donovan, AdamB
17:06:09 <elf-pavlik> done!
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17:06:38 <elf-pavlik> thanks everyone!
17:06:40 <elf-pavlik> ciao o/
17:06:40 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett
17:06:42 <Zakim> -Andy_Donovan
17:06:42 <Zakim> -Jules
17:06:43 <Zakim> -Ann
17:06:45 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
17:06:45 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has ended
17:06:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Ann, +1.206.261.aaaa, +1.425.965.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett, elf-pavlik, Jules, Andy_Donovan, AdamB
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17:08:14 <elf-pavlik> dahacouk, missed daylight changes?
17:08:33 <dahacouk> Obviously! ;-)
17:11:50 <dahacouk> So, it'll be 5pm CET until we change over to summer time on Sunday, March 29
17:11:50 <Loqi> I added a countdown for 3/29 12:00am (#5650)
17:15:09 <dahacouk> I will now peg the time of this call to 09:00 US/Pacific so that it updates the time correctly. :-)
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20:37:31 <AnnB> !tell dahacouk I'm so sorry you missed the call .. danged time change!
20:37:32 <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next