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<trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#spinbutton
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slider
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#tooltip
<scribe> scribe: matt King
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#spinbutton
birkir: can not get the examples to work
MK: there is some keyboard description in the description field; should it be a bug?
JN: OK with how it is written
JG: didn't include support for typing in a value in the OAA example.
JN: does the jQuery UI example work? seems to work for me.
<jnurthen> http://jqueryui.com/spinner/
Birkir: I was just talking about the dojo example and OAA example
<jongund> http://jqueryui.com/spinner/
JG: Just tested jQuery example with NVDA; it works.
<jongund> The JQuery spinner seems to work
JN: superfluous note about left/right arrows
<jnurthen> logged https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27897
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slider
MK: What does it mean when it says you move the button to change the value of the slider?
JG: are the buttons for the end
values?
... should such buttons be ignored?
JN: we should use the word thumb instead of button
<Birkir> Does the thumb gets a thumbs up or thumbs down?
JN: let's introduce the concept
of thumb with some kind of description
... we should use the terminology that others use.
... html5 type of range corresponds to slider
... Let's look at html5 spec description.
<jnurthen> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#range-state-(type=range)
JN: looking at other descriptions from other sites so we can get terminology used by others
AA: what about using the term
value control?
... for the thumb?
<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27899
MK: can slider bbe either horizontal or vertical
JN: yes, they can be either
... they support aria-orientation
... default should be horizontal
MK: does home always go to min? or, could it go to max?
bryan: home would go to left in horizontal
MK: is it the case max is always
on the right?
... I think we should cange wording to say that home goes to
beginning and end goes to end
AA: pacielo says that home goes to first and end to last
JN: go with the first and last slider
<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27900
action bryan to raise Mozilla bug for firefox not reporting slider as role for html5 range
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1570 - Raise mozilla bug for firefox not reporting slider as role for html5 range [on Bryan Garaventa - due 2015-02-02].
slider multi-thumb pattern:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#slidertwothumb
the description is A multi-thumb slider is a slider with multiple user inputs designed to change the maximum and minimum range for an object it controls.
mk: I don't think this description is clear
this note:
If the current value of a slider crosses over one of the other sliders, the tab order remains the same. Example. If a high range slider is moved so that its current value is below the current value of a low range slider, the thumb will visually appear to be before the low range slider. This should not change the tab order of the slider. note end
does not agree with the text in the kb interaction that requires constraints.
JN: I do not agree with the note; may be for ease of implementation rather than ideal behavior.
mk: agree with James.
AA: this is different because tab keeps you inside the widget.
jn: there are many
implementations that work way.
... reword the note to be less prescriptive and point out the
issues.
mk: consider changing the text for kb interaction to remove constraint language
jn: add words to make it less
prescrriptive
... add the words typically constrained
<jnurthen> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27901
jn: aria-controls is specified; not sure it is useful
mk: we should strike that
... aria-controls is for controlling"another" widget on the
page; not for something inside the same widget.
jn: we can remove the note about aria-live as well
we will continue with tooltip next time.
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