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<trackbot> Date: 15 January 2015
<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jan/0044.html
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jan/0044.html
<jcraig> scribe: jcraig
issue-688?
<trackbot> issue-688 -- Aria-hidden=false is ambiguous regarding inheritance to descendant elements -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/688
RS: Janina travelling
... SVG2 and @@@ working drafts in Feb
sending to SVG-a11y task force to get feedback on the draft
<clown> action-1440?
<trackbot> action-1440 -- Joanmarie Diggs to landmarks section uses "region of page" in prose even though "region" is not a landmark -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440
(Matt not on call)
action-1548?
<trackbot> action-1548 -- Léonie Watson to Write revised proposal for aria-current based on today’s meeting for issue 587 -- due 2015-01-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1548
(leonie not on call)
action-1293
<trackbot> action-1293 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
<clown> action-1293?
<trackbot> action-1293 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
JD: ongoing mailing list thread
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jan/0049.html
want to wait until that thread settles
issue-638?
<trackbot> issue-638 -- Generic container roles for things like div/span… -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/638
action-1342?
<trackbot> action-1342 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Patch issue-523: searchbox role which is a subrole of textbox/textfield -- due 2015-01-15 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1342
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#searchbox
add related "textbox"
remove prose reference to html:input[type=search]
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#role_definitions
tree
A type of list that may contain sub-level nested groups that can be collapsed and expanded.
<richardschwerdtfeger> proposal: A form of textbox intended to specify search criteria
<richardschwerdtfeger> proposal: A type of textbox intended to specify search criteria
and textbox should start "A type of input…"
<clown> issue-523
<trackbot> issue-523 -- searchbox/searchfield role which is a subrole of textbox/textfield -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/523
<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Action 1342 is completed
<scribe> ACTION: jcraig to merge issue-688 branch [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1559 - Merge issue-688 branch [on James Craig - due 2015-01-22].
<richardschwerdtfeger> rich: Implementation guide group liked James changes to aria-hidden with issue 688
trackbot, associate action-1559 with issue-688
<trackbot> action-1559 (Merge issue-688 branch) associated with issue-688.
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1392
<clown> action-1392
<trackbot> action-1392 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Add a switch role to aria 1.1 in response to issue-446 -- due 2015-01-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1392
<fesch> zakim I am 1703
text
[ARIA 1.1] An element whose entire subtree should be exposed to accessibility APIs as plain text.
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#switch
switch (role)§
A toggleable input that has two possible values: true or false.
The aria-checked attribute of a switch indicates whether the input is on (true) or off (false). The mixed value is not supported, and user agents must treat a mixed value as equivalent to false for this role.
NOTE
A switch provides approximately the same functionality as a checkbox and toggle button, but makes it possible for assistive technologies to present the widget in a fashion consistent with its on-screen appearance.
Suggested change: A toggleable input that has two possible values: true or false.
To:
A type of checkbox that that represents on/off values, as opposed to checked/unchecked values. See related checkbox.
(shirking my scribe responsibilities)
<clown> <div role="switch" aria-label="On" aria-checked="true">
Stefan: what about customizable values for on/off, true/false, etc. for switch: foo/bar
JC: maybe aria-valuetext
... propose to the list?
<clown> <div role="switch" aria-checked="true">Mail</div>
stefan: example accept/reject values on a toggle
<clown> <div role="switch" aria-checked="true">Male</div>
maybe a new "toggle" role?
<clown> <div role="switch" aria-checked="false">Femail</div>
mail/femail? hah
<clown> <div role="switch" aria-checked="false">Female</div>
MK: most valuable in mobile, where space is constrained
RS: assistive tech could speak these valuetext on other controls (like Mark H demoed at TPAC)
<scribe> ACTION: Stefan to email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-aria-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1560 - Email list with discussion of on/off value labels (maybe valuetext?) and extending value descriptions to other controls [on Stefan Schnabel - due 2015-01-22].
<clown> <div role="button" aria-pressed="true">Male</div>
<clown> <div role="button" aria-pressed="false">Female</div>
BG: implementing this as a subrole of checkbox could be awkward usability (maybe jsut use labels on button)
action-1392: A type of checkbox that that represents on/off values, as opposed to checked/unchecked values. See related checkbox.
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1392 Add a switch role to aria 1.1 in response to issue-446.
zakim. drop item 1
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440
<clown> action-1440
<trackbot> action-1440 -- Joanmarie Diggs to landmarks section uses "region of page" in prose even though "region" is not a landmark -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440
<mattking> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jan/0082.html
MK: removed things from the original proposal
MK summary:
1. Move alert, grid, list, log, status, and tabpanel up a level to
have role section as their superclass.
2. Remove superclass region from article.
3. Change the "Name from" characteristic of role section to "N/A".
4. Modify prose for role region to suggest that assistive
technologies should treat a region as a landmark if it has an accessible
name.
5. Change the glossary definition of landmark region to more clearly
identify what distinguishes landmark regions from other regions.
thinks we should do this as a branch to make the edits more clear
JC: (scribe) last comment was me thinking out loud, not Matt
MK: Previous items were individual tasks in Proposal #1. Proposal #2 (which I like better) is as follows:
Proposal #2
The first 3 parts of proposal #2 are the same as proposal #1. But, proposal #2 provides an alternative approach to supporting labeled, generic, landmark regions. The purpose of this approach is to make the taxonomy even more clear and simple by removing all ambiguity associated with the region role.
Instead of part 4 and part 5 specified in proposal #1, proposal #2 includes the following:
4. Make region a subclass of landmark and require regions to have an accessible name. This will unambiguously make labeled regions into landmark regions. The abstract landmark role would become a child of section.
5. Map HTML 5 section as follows:
a. To role presentation if the section element does not have an accessible name.
b. To role region if the section element has an accessible name.
6. Use the new definition of landmark provided in part 5 of proposal #1 but with a small adjustment to the last sentence of the first paragraph so it reads, for a region to be a landmark region, its role must be a subclass of the landmark role.”
<joanie> +1 to breaking it into smaller tasks/problems
<Stefan> Scribe: Stefan
RS: come back to use of section
<jcraig> MK: region would be child role of landmark (just another landmark sibling) instead of current listing: region is parent of landmark
RS: Cynthia, we have issue with
div landmarks and use of group
... region without labels map to section
... we have issues on Mac
JS: best to write this up in an email (all details)
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich Write up proposal for generic section role mappings to deal with div, role=“region”, and role=“group” confusion in the mappings [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-aria-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1561 - Write up proposal for generic section role mappings to deal with div, role=“region”, and role=“group” confusion in the mappings [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-01-22].
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#structure
Cys: can you change the action for add. measures discussed?
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say you can fork the repository also
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440
RS: Joanie this was updated and your're good to go
<clown> action-1561?
<trackbot> action-1561 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Write up proposal for generic section role mappings to deal with div, role=“region”, and role=“group” confusion in the mappings -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1561
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jan/0044.html
<clown> FTR: <div> is mapped to ROLE_SECTION and role="group" is mapped to ROLE_PANEL on ATK/AT-SPI.
RS: progress with IE team?
Cys: discussions but no strong opinions
RS: that's at least good
<clown> action-1406?
<trackbot> action-1406 -- James Craig to Add any necessary language for issue-605 (aria-selected on menuitem and subroles), and reference uaig #mapping_events_selection -- due 2014-03-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1406
<clown> issue-605?
<trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
JS: menu bar role=navigation?
MK: maybe inappropriate use
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#menuitem
RS: Joseph selected state guidance in the Imp. Guide?
JS: one-liner it doesn't support it
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Aug/0006.html
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Aug/0006.html
RS: do we want to include selectable state on menu item?
JS: the more reserach the more confusing
rssagent, make minutes
<clown> s/FTR/FTR/
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