<trackbot> Date: 13 January 2015

<tantek> since you can't hear me, I'm P9 :)

<aaronpk> tantek++

<Loqi> tantek has 139 karma

<cwebber2> -q ??P5

<tantek> scribenick AnnBassetti

<sandro> scribenick: AnnBassetti

<tantek> scribenick: AnnBassetti

<tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-06-minutes

<jessica_lily> me

approve minutes .... no objections

<jessica_lily> thanks

<cwebber2> no objections here, look good

approved

also need to approve minutes from last meeting

<link?>

<eprodrom> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-12-16-minutes

<eprodrom> Sorry, they were in the agenda

<eprodrom> +1

Tantek: suggests postponing approval until next week, so people can have time to read
... no objections; added to next agenda
... next week's meeting on schedule per usual

<tantek> next week: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-20

<tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Discussion_of_media_objects_in_Activity_Streams_2.0

Tantek: agenda: Media Objects 2.0 ... suggested by elf, but he's out sick
... thus postponed
... agenda: Activity Streams

<tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Activity_Streams_2.0_publication

James Snell:

<sorry, missed intro words>

scribe: recommend we update working draft
... both vocabulary and core working drafts

<jasnell> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html

<jasnell> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html

<tantek> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html

<tantek> http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html

Evan: any outstanding issues on 1st Working Draft?

JamesS: no ...

Evan: is next step to propose moving this to next Working Draft?

<jasnell> I've merged in the extended vocabulary work into the editor's drafts. I propose that we update the Working Drafts based on the current editor's drafts

Tantek: next step is to ask if there are any other outstanding issues

<harry> just ping me when moving things to Working Draft

Tantek: I think, James, you asked me to do .... <xx>
... re: microformats

<harry> and I'm happy to send it in and go through pubrules

James: added <some info re: microformats> but not an expert, would appreciate review

Tantek: will take a look

James: be aware there are over 900 examples, many of which are microformats!

Tantek: will look

<scribe> ACTION: Tantek, review microformats, due Jan. 14, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Tantek,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Social/track/users>.

<eprodrom> AnnBassetti: "ACTION tantek blah blah blah"

<scribe> ACTION: tantek review microformats due Jan 14, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 [on Tantek Çelik - due 2015-01-20].

<tantek> AnnBassetti: can you add the URL to that action?

<tantek> URLs

<tantek> trackbot, 26?

<trackbot> Sorry, tantek, I don't understand 'trackbot, 26?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

<sandro> action-26?

<trackbot> action-26 -- Tantek Çelik to Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 -- due 2015-01-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/26

<aaronpk> i just updated the action with the urls

<sorting out how to properly record an action>

<eprodrom> +1

Tantek: proposal for James to prepare updated working drafts for Activity Streams specs on Friday

<Loqi> I added a countdown for 1/16 12:00am (#5576)

Tantek: proposal ACTION team to review those drafts

<tantek> +1

<jasnell> +1

<rhiaro_> +1

+1

<eprodrom> +1

<cwebber2> +1

<jessica_lily> +1

<aaronpk> tantek, your mic seems to silence until you start speaking, so the first couple hundred milliseconds of your audio is dropped when you start speaking after a gap of silence

Tantek: better to capture explicit support

<blooby> I have a poor voip connection

Tantek: checking why people aren't indicating their support or rejection of proposal

<aaronpk> +1 sounds good

<wilkie> me. I joined.

<wilkie> :)

<wilkie> sorry I'm late

<eprodrom> Seems like pretty strong consensus with no objections

<eprodrom> Agreed!

Tantek: declares consensus; would prefer more responses

<jasnell> if anyone finds any issues before friday, post them to the mailing list as well as github

<eprodrom> jasnell: I think we're about to do that in the next section

<scribe> ACTION: James Snell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> 'James' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jsnell, jktauber).

<jasnell> yes, jsnell

<scribe> ACTION: jasnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Error finding 'jasnell'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Social/track/users>.

<wilkie> 'jsnell'

<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by jan 16, 2015 [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].

<aaronpk> here is the URL http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/27

<aaronpk> maybe trackbot should post the URL of the action after it creates it?

<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by Jan 16, 2105 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by jan 16, 2105 [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].

<aaronpk> I will go update 27

James: these Working Drafts have been stable for awhile, thus would like to consider moving to Last Call

Tantek: yes, that will be the next step
... having stability on the editor's working draft is important for moving to next steps

James: if anyone sees an issue in the spec(s), please raise issue on GitHub, but copy the mailing list
... will ensure James sees it promptly

Tantek: anything else on this topic?

<no>

<tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#Microsyntaxes

scribe: next topic: Microsyntaxes
... Evan's topic?

Evan: actually elf's, but happy to speak to it
... issue came up on mailing list
... number of diff systems doing microsyntaxes
... example: with Twitter you put @name to mention a particular user
... Twitter then routes that tweet in a special way

<tantek> Instagram also handles @-references like that

Evan: Facebook, Google do similar, with diff syntaxes
... discussion about how to recognize this
... via our mailing list
... how to handle "magic" symbols
... receiver should not have to do special parsing
... To: and Cc: properties should handle
... perhaps add note in Activity Streams that microsyntax in content for other properties should not have to be parsed by the processor
... will check if there's a github issue; will check

Tantek: do you want this to be in the Friday draft?

Evan: this wasn't proposed by me ... nice to have by Friday, but not a crisis if added later

Tantek: agrees

James: I'm the one who started this on mailing list
... won't be prob to add by Friday to the spec
... I don't see any normative changes; should be just editorial

Evan: agrees

Tantek: sounds as if we're resolved on how to handle microsyntax
... any issues, Evan or james?

<no>

<tantek> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-13#OpenSocial_Press_Release

Tantek: last agenda item ... Open Social announcement
... press release issued shortly after last meeting
... want to ensure people are aware of this occurence
... Open Social has formally moved their work to W3C
... and expect this WG, plus the Social Web IG to do any follow-on work

James: notes that Press Release raised some issues for some ...
... he cannot speak for Open Social officers board (Matt Marum, etc.)>
... believes any add'l resources they had, they donated to W3C and decided to close themselves down
... does not believe there are any implications that this WG would work on anything specific to that work

<harry> we can hear you evan

<harry> we have no formal commitment to existing OpenSocial specs, although we hope this work and membership can feed into the Social WG's new work.

Evan: I wondered, did this announcement mean that we are expected to maintain current or new version of OpenSocial spec?

<jasnell> no, there are no obligations with regards to the opensocial specs themselves.

Evan: worried that this implied we might be taking on a big amount of new work

<Arnaud> there is no change to the charter, nor any proposal or request to do so

<harry> Yep, no additional charter items

<Arnaud> so, this doesn't change what we are doing

Evan: appears that OpenSocial gave us their "seal of approval", but without any new charter or additional work
... seems positive

Tantek: I agree
... I cited our charter in the announcement for that reason
... maintaining the OpenSocial spec is NOT in our charter; we need to be clear about that
... if anyone thinks we should do that, it needs to be added to our charter

<jasnell> to be clear, no one has suggested that the social wg ought to maintain the opensocial specs

Tantek: does anyone think we need to add that to our charter?

Harry: we had to keep the announcement secret until announced .. apologizes for no preceding discussion with WG
... no formal obligation
... hope some of them might join this WG

Tantek: <confirms accuracy of minutes>

Harry: <agrees>

<harry> again, if anyone is worried or has concerns, do feel free to email

Arnaud: no change to the charter, and no one has asked for change to charter

<harry> we thought that since there would be no change to the charter, this is more a big +1 to the existing work and a chance to get new folks involved than anything else.

Arnaud: good news

<harry> Also, this clarifies the space.

Arnaud: Open Social Foundation acknowledged that the "social web" work is happening here, in this W3C WG
... OSF had some $$ left, which they donated to us
... perhaps towards a F2F dinner or some such

<harry> So if you are a developer, you can just go to Social WG

<harry> for standards, IG for use-case

<jasnell> that's something I can talk to Matt about

Evan: re: Harry's point ... wonder if our WG chairs might reach out to former OSF members, inviting them to participate here

<jasnell> I can take that action

<jasnell> yes please

<jasnell> otherwise I'll forget :-)

<harry> Yes, it would be good to invite OSF people here

<harry> We've seen some emails from Matt Marum from SugarCRM but a lot aren't here

<harry> participants

<eprodrom> We'd want all the Open Social member organizations and their contact people

<jasnell> jsnell will reach out to previous opensocial members to solicit participation in the Social WG

<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to reach out to Open Social Foundation participants to invite them to join the W3C Social Web WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Reach out to open social foundation participants to invite them to join the w3c social web wg [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].

Wendy: thanks Evan and James for the outreach! good collaboration!
... with "lawyer hat" on, notes W3C has not yet seen the $$
... does not know how much $$ there will actually be
... actual conclusion and transfer is still in work

Tantek: notes OpenSocial.org domain name now redirects to one W3C blog post
... wonders if any of the OSF content will be archived and preserved?

Sandro: in the past, W3C has occasionally taken on a web site for archival purposes
... not sure if it's appropriate here

Ann: what is process to make that happen?

<harry> I think TimBL is not needed

<harry> I can file a sysreq@w3.org

Sandro: TimBL thought it was important and got SysTeam to do it

<harry> but I think it's just in the backlog

Arnaud: thinks this was part of the negotiation
... that they would keep the domain and single page

<tantek> for example this document on opensocial.org just redirects to the blog post: http://docs.opensocial.org/display/OSF/OpenSocial+State+of+the+Union+2011+~+May+12%2C+2011

<jasnell> the specs are archived on github

<jasnell> https://github.com/OpenSocial/spec

Wendy: <said about the domain and single page> .. if this group thinks there is specific content to be saved, we should point it out
... we should identify the crucial content, so W3C can look into it

<harry> IMHO its probably ok to just keep OpenSocial on github

Tantek: modest request: it would be nice if at least blog posts from OSF could be preserved, to be referenced as history
... including permalinks

<jasnell> I'll take that action item to follow up on also

<harry> I'm happy to ask Systems Team if ex-OSF people

<jasnell> meaning that I'll ask the opensocial folks about it and report back

<harry> are ok with that

<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to ask OpenSocial folks about W3C archiving their blog posts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Ask opensocial folks about w3c archiving their blog posts [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].

<jasnell> got an answer from andy

<jasnell> Andy Smith says, "we have backed all of them up, and they can be made available if necessary"

<harry> will go to me

<jasnell> "but we felt given the direction of the work and community it was not necessary to manage the migration over"

<jasnell> "In terms of twitter and social media, that will gradaully shift over to the w3c exclusively over the next 6 months or so"

<tantek> simple request from the Social Web WG: can W3C at least archive the social content (e.g. blog posts) from opensocial.org?

<scribe> ACTION: harry will ask W3C SysTeam about prospect for archiving OSF blog posts and perhaps other content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Will ask w3c systeam about prospect for archiving osf blog posts and perhaps other content [on Harry Halpin - due 2015-01-20].

James: other content might be the OSF Twitter account, ...
... right person to ask is Andy Smith, who is my colleague at IBM
... I will liaise with him

<harry> jasnell, let's co-ordinate when you are ready to publish those drafts!

Tantek: past our closing time .. any thing else?
... end of meeting

<eprodrom> Thanks Tantek!

Tantek: thanks all!

<jasnell> harry +1

<cwebber2> thanks AnnBassetti !

<tantek> trackbot, end meeting

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