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<trackbot> Date: 18 December 2014
<richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Dec/0129.html
<scribe> scribe:fesch
<scribe> scribe: fesch
rs: svg task force is tomorrow,
digital publishing task force up and running too
... next meeting Jan 8, 2015
rs: Janina has a meeting an hour earlier, can't be in two places at one time
<jongund> 1+
<jongund> +1
<clown> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
<joanie> +1
+1
janina: wants to wait until January 8, until we decide whether we have the call earlier
<richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Wait until january 8 decide whether to make the call earler. Michael to set up a poll
janinia: running grep - looking for user agent commands - in January
rs: rich's interest is with digital publishing
<bgaraventa1979> yay
<scribe> ACTION: 1440 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<joanie> action-1440
<trackbot> action-1440 -- Joanmarie Diggs to landmarks section uses "region of page" in prose even though "region" is not a landmark -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1440
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Dec/0028.html
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#region
<clown> +1
<jongund> +1
+1
<richardschwerdtfeger> Proposal: People agee with Matt’s proposal with Rich’s revisions and Matt to come back with a revised proposal for January 8
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
+1
<clown> +1
<bgaraventa1979> +1
<joanie> +1
Jd: wants Jame Craig's input
<richardschwerdtfeger> rs: agree
<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: note: this would remove the need for a concrete landmark role
jd: question for Matt - region of a page - vs portion of a page?
mk: intentional as changes, work
action-1442
<joanie> action-1442
<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Oct/0114.html
mk: not sure of state
<LJWatson> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0238.html
lw: we agreed don't need aria-currentfor - so just down to aria-current
cs: do simple case (aria-current) now ... (not aria-currentfor)
bg: can add a use case - test scores with criteria
lw: discussed text about aria-selected vs aria-current
rs: tab panels use aria-selected, should that change
mk: : at one time we were going to add warning about aria-selected vs aria-current
lw: need to keep the attribute simple
mk: wonders about use case bg
gave
... afraid of ambiguity that a author may believe is clear, but
won't be clear to the user
<jongund> Thats what I said
??
<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: What if we had an attribute called aria-currenttext? Which provides informative help information regarding the aria-current attribute to provide context
jg: asked about use -
lw: wants to keep it simple
<clown> http://idrc.ocad.ca/index.php/research-and-development/ongoing-projects
<bgaraventa1979> +q
mk: aria is about semantics - answers jg question - list with item in list styled - to show the current member of the set
bg: value of attribute - can be programmatically assigned
<jamesn> another use case for aria-current: http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/ux/middleware/richclient/index.html?/webfolder/ux/middleware/richclient/guidelines5/train.html
<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: This is good for breadcrumbs
mk & bg discuss use -
cs: relays why something may be styled
PROPOSAL: Do we not need aria-currentfor
<richardschwerdtfeger> not now
+1
<LJWatson> +1
<joanie> +1
<jamesn> +1
<mattking> +1
<clown> +1 for now
<bgaraventa1979> agree for 'not now'
RESOLUTION: don't need aria-currentfor at this time
PROPOSAL: Do we need aria-currenttext to explain aria-current?
<mattking> it really depends on how global the aria-current attribute is.
<mattking> If aria-current is narrow in scope, the no.
<mattking> if aria-current is global in scope, then definitely yes
LW: aria-current would take a string instead of a boolean
mk: challenges for using a string
for aria-current
... if aria-current needs to be in a navigation area, no need
for a string, if it can be used anywhere then may need a
string
cs: would like to see it be able to be used in a decision tree etc
<jongund> +q
cs: wants to see it be able to used in a flow chart -
<LJWatson> -1 on aria-currenttext
<joanie> -1 on aria-currenttext
<richardschwerdtfeger> -1 on aria-currenttext
<clown> -1 on aria-currenttext
-1
<mattking> -1
<richardschwerdtfeger> CS: -1 on aria-currenttext
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-invalid
PROPOSAL: aria-current takes a string token (enum), which represents the purpose - like aria-invalid?
bg: would like to include true in the token list
<LJWatson> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
+1
<clown> +1 (if the token list includes "true" and "false", where "false" is the default)
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#valuetype_token
<mattking> suggested values could be "page", "step", , etc.
<mattking> need list of use cases for token development
RESOLUTION: aria-current can take a token, where two of the allowed values are true and false
smokin'
rs: what token values do we want
all discussion of tokens:
token - page,
token, step
token - location (you are here)
<clown> token - true
rs: is this a good start we can add to?
<clown> token - false (default)
token -false
mk: AT vendors should take liberties with how tokens are expressed
PROPOSAL: Accept above list of token values?
<LJWatson> +1
<clown> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
<mattking> +1
<joanie> +1
+1
mk: should date/time be included in tokens now?
token - date
token time
no jokes on token time?
<LJWatson> +1
<clown> +1
+1
<richardschwerdtfeger> RS: values are: true, false, date, time, step, page, location
<joanie> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
<LJWatson> +1
<mattking> +1
+1
<clown> +1
PROPOSAL: Do we agree aria-current is global?
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
<LJWatson> +1
+1
<bgaraventa1979> +1
<mattking> +1
<clown> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> janina: +1
<joanie> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Leonie write revised proposal for aria-current based on today’s meeting for issue 587 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-aria-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1548 - Write revised proposal for aria-current based on today’s meeting for issue 587 [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-12-25].
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