W3C

RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference

04 Dec 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
pfps, ericP, hknublau, Arnaud, SimonSteyskal, jimkont, SteveS, Arthur_Ryman, magyarblip
Regrets
kcoyle
Chair
Arnaud
Scribe
arthur

Contents


<magyarblip> i am +1.201 Patrick Johnston (magyarblip)

<pfps> arnaud: scribing is simple

<pfps> ...: two simple rules get you 99% of the way there

Approve minutes

<Arnaud> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of the 20 November Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/20-shapes-minutes.html

<pfps> minutes look OK, particularly with the recent edits

<hknublau> +1

<SimonSteyskal> +1

+1

<jimkont> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of the 20 November Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/20-shapes-minutes.html

Arnaud: APPROVED
... discussing procedure for editing minutes - possible overwriting HTML if log is edited

<pfps> I'm happing with editing the IRC log, particularly as there is an original copy stored somewhere else

SimonSteyskal: Always type name of speaker into IRC logged so perl script will pick it up (avoid ...)

<SimonSteyskal> nono

<SimonSteyskal> just after a new topic

SimonSteyskal: correction, perl script only needs nickname when topic is changed

Arnaud: Always edit the IRC log, never edit the generated HTML

<pfps> agenda for today lists next meeting as today. I assume that the next meeting is next week (2014/12/11)

Next Meeting

Arnaud: next meeting is Dec. 11

Next F2F Meeting

Arnaud: unable to find a date that works for everyone

<Arnaud> PROPOSED: F2F2 meeting at MIT the 17-19 February 2015

+1

<ericP> +1

<pfps> OK by me.

<SteveS> +1

<ericP> scribenick: arthur

<pfps> , but I'm not sure if I will be there physically.

RESOLUTION: F2F2 meeting at MIT the 17-19 February 2015

Tracking of actions & issues

Arnaud: Holger raised concern about losing isses on the mailing list
... everyone should raise issues in the tracker

User Stories/Use cases status

Arnaud: everyone should review user stories by next meeting so we can approve it next meeting
... record your concerns and we will discuss them next meeting

<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to say that putting notes in the document might be a good way to bring up concerns with the stories

<SimonSteyskal> +1

pfsp: propose that everyone should include comments in the user story documents

<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to boldly claim that the wiki probably supports CSS if we're lucky.

pfps: propose that everyone should include comments in the user story documents

ericP: suggest that we use wiki css to markup comments, need mediawiki guru

we use <arthur> blah blah </arthur>

Requirements

<SHAPES> whoami

Arnaud: Karen is still discussing how Dublin Core will share their requirements
... suggest we start a wiki page for Requirements

ericP: I am OK to try to generate a requirements database extracted from the wiki

<SimonSteyskal> i could hardcode the (main) dc requirements into a wikipage

<SimonSteyskal> without fancy magic ;)

<ericP> arthur: can one embed javascript in a wiki page?

<Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/rdfvalreqs/

<ericP> ... then the wiki page itself could render well

<hknublau> +q

<ericP> JSON source

hknublau: suggest that we establish a template so we can markup entries and then have the content parsed and displayed usefully

<ericP> playing with raw reqs in JSON

<scribe> ACTION: ericP will investigate how to get requirements into the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Will investigate how to get requirements into the wiki [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-12-11].

ISSUE-3 Shape association

Arnaud: Holger listed the ways to associate shapes and graphs/resource/classes

<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to ask how this is related to issue-3

hknublau: summarized issue, describes use of classes for defining constraints

<SteveS> ISSUE-3?

<trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- How is a shape associated with a graph? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/3

pfps: this issue should be about how to associate shapes, not what shapes are

<pfps> this issue should be about how to relate graphs to constraints, not what the endpoints of the associations can be within the graph

<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that we don't have to think of all the ways that shapes will be used.

ericP: describes analogy with XML Schema
... XML Schema was not prescriptive about how to apply schemas to XML documents
... this group should both define shapes and how to associate them

Arnaud: relates experience in XML WG
... e.g. LPD WG expects this WG to define association between LDP container and shapes

<hknublau> +q

hknublau: with Linked Data, we can dereference the rdf:type URI, or use owl:imports
... we should not specify mechanisms that are very specific, e.g. LPD, Hydra
... agree that we can split ISSUE-3 into orthogonal issues

<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to say that I'm willing to put my message into a wiki page for issue-3

<scribe> ACTION: hknublau will create a new issue to describe the aspect of ISSUE-3 that discuss the nature of shape resources [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Will create a new issue to describe the aspect of issue-3 that discuss the nature of shape resources [on Holger Knublauch - due 2014-12-11].

<pfps> OK

<pfps> ACTION: pfps to create new wiki page for issue-3, seeded with his email message [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Create new wiki page for issue-3, seeded with his email message [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2014-12-11].

<Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ericP will investigate how to get requirements into the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: hknublau will create a new issue to describe the aspect of ISSUE-3 that discuss the nature of shape resources [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: pfps to create new wiki page for issue-3, seeded with his email message [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-shapes-minutes.html#action03]
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Approve minutes of the 20 November Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/20-shapes-minutes.html
  2. F2F2 meeting at MIT the 17-19 February 2015
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