<trackbot> Date: 11 November 2014

<clown> agenda: this

<clown> agneda+ ACTION-1322: (Jon) Make some examples for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region).

<scribe> scribenick: joanie

ACTION-1185: (Joseph, Cynthia) Review edits: UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading/aria-level using heading paragraph style.

<clown> action-1185?

<trackbot> action-1185 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. -- due 2014-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1185

JS: This is request for Cynthia. I put some stuff in role heading as per action-1185.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading

JS: I want to make sure that what I put there is ok.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaLevel

JS: I put it under (the above).
... If you look at the MSAA and UIA under aria-level, you see [reads].

CS: That looks good.

RESOLUTION: Close action-1185 as complete.

ACTION-1463: (All) Keep getComputedRole() and getComputedLabel() on radar (methods of Element).

JS: This is just to keep other people apprised of the situation.

action-143

<trackbot> action-143 -- Alfred S. Gilman to Approach ChrisW about visiting PFWG F2F -- due 2008-06-11 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/143

<clown> action-1143

<trackbot> action-1143 -- Cynthia Shelly to (1) identify what pattern that invalid is mapped to (2) to see if it's implemented for widget roles -- due 2013-02-01 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1143

<clown> action-1463

<trackbot> action-1463 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1463

<clown> issue0427

<clown> issue-427

<trackbot> issue-427 -- Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427

JS: This has to do with a couple of new methods on elements.

<clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27294

JS: The work has been moved to the HTML group.
... James filed the above bug.
... I brought this up because there were a number of associated actions for each company to talk to their browser teams.

CS: I have an ongoing conversation with the IE team and expect to have good information soon.

<clown> action-1462?

<trackbot> action-1462 -- Cynthia Shelly to Discuss computed role with ie team -- due 2014-10-13 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462

JS: That would be 1462. We can reopen it.
... It's now open again and 9 December is the due date.

ACTION-1442: (All) Mapping for new aria-current: Create and assign action(s) for core-aam.

<clown> action-1442

<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442

JS: There is an aria-current attribute which is nearly written (the spec text for it)
... We're going to have to put in the accessibility APIs.
... I would like to open actions for Joanie, Cynthia, and David to explore how to map this in there respective accessibility APIs.

CS: That makes sense.

JS: [creates actions]

<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the proper UIA mappings for aria-current [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1527 - Investigate the proper uia mappings for aria-current [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> ACTION: David Bolter to investigate the proper IA2 mappings for aria-current [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1528 - Bolter to investigate the proper ia2 mappings for aria-current [on David Bolter - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> ACTION: Joanie to investigate the proper ATK/AT-SPI mappings for aria-current [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1529 - Investigate the proper atk/at-spi mappings for aria-current [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-11-18].

issue-587

<trackbot> issue-587 -- Consider allowing the aria-selected state on any focusable element, or add a new attr like aria-active or aria-current -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/587

JS: [Associates new actions with issue-587]
... The default due date is Nov 18. You can change it to whatever you want.
... Although, do you think it will make it into the next working draft?

CS: That seems iffy. Who is writing it up?

JS: Léonie.

CS: If she's doing it, then it's likely it will make it.

JS: Then we need the mappings in a week.

CS: That is unlikely to happen for UIA. There may be architectural changes.
... January or February is a more reasonable time frame for me.

JS: [Updates due date to 31 January for Cynthia's]

JD: I will look at ATK to see if this can be reasonably mapped using existing API.
... If it cannot, I'm tempted to say make it an object attribute for now.

ACTION-1391/ISSUE-435: (All) Mapping for new role="text": Create and assign action(s) for core-aam.

JS: There's a new role text.
... Again, we'll need to map it. So I'm proposing that the same three people investigate it and suggest a mapping for it.
... [Writing up actions]

<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate UIA mapping of role="text" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1530 - Investigate uia mapping of role="text" [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> ACTION: David Bolter to investigate IA2 mapping of role="text" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1531 - Bolter to investigate ia2 mapping of role="text" [on David Bolter - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> ACTION: Joanie to investigate ATK/AT-SPI mapping of role="text" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1532 - Investigate atk/at-spi mapping of role="text" [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> action-1531?

<trackbot> action-1531 -- David Bolter to Bolter to investigate ia2 mapping of role="text" -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1531

JS: Does anyone want me to adjust the due dates?

JD: It's worth noting that this role might not apply to just text.

<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0111.html

JD: So mapping it directly to an existing platform text role might not make sense.
... In ATK, we are creating a new "generic/static" role.

JS: Do you want a different due date, Joanie?

JD: No I'm good.

CS: I just updated my and David's actions with a link to the thread (from the public-pwfg list)

ACTION-1492/ISSUE-671: (Cynthia, Joseph) Review Joseph's solution for widgets re: aria-invalid and its token values.

<clown> action-1492?

<trackbot> action-1492 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets -- due 2014-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492

JS: This is one that I'm nearly finished with.
... I wrote a response to the issue and proposed changes for the mapping guide.
... David and James are fine with my proposal.

<clown> Expose 'false' in IsDataValidForForm property

JS: I think Joanie is too.

CS: Yeah, that looks good.
... Exposing false looks better to me.

JS: Ok, that means I can make those edits for 1492 and will do so sometime in the next week.

ACTION-1509: (Joseph): Document distinction between atk and at-spi and why they are combined in core-aam.

JS: I've done that! I finished it this morning.

<clown> action-1509

<trackbot> action-1509 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Document distinction between atk and at-spi and why they are combined in core-aam -- due 2014-10-27 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1509

JS: And I think I closed the action already.
... If you want to see it, I'll have to find a link for you.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#intro_aapi

JS: This (the above) is close.
... There's a note at the end of that section. [Reads from note]
... If Joanie wants to look at that, she can do so.

JD: Looks fine to me.

ACTION-1445/ISSUE-661: (Cynthia) Investigate ideal mapping for role presentation in tables and lists.

<clown> action-1445?

<trackbot> action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445

JS: This came due this week. I'm just wondering how the progress is.

CS: Give me another week.

<clown> action-1104?

<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2014-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

JS: This one I need ... I'd really like to get this one resolved.
... Reminder, you can have describedby point to something with role="none"
... How do we handle something which points to nothing.

CS: I need to revisit this with the dev.
... Next week.

Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23

<clown> action-842?

<trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to support section 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2014-11-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842

CS: I made progress on this during TPAC. I need to transfer it from paper to electronic format.
... December 16th.

<clown> action-1254?

<trackbot> action-1254 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with WebApps working group to ensure that DOM spec states when a keydown event is consumed/cancelled that the corresponding keypress event is also cancelled. -- due 2014-10-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254

JS: [Reads over action-1254]

CS: Is this still true? Or is it overcome by events?

JS: I'm seeing there's a couple of notes in here to look for a test case and test it.
... James Craig thinks it might already work.

CS: I would start with Travis L from Microsoft.
... If there is a test, he'd know where it is

JS: I'll check with him.
... I'll try for two weeks.

<clown> action-1373?

<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373

CS: December 16th on this one too.

JS: It sounds like it's just markup.

CS: It is.

<clown> action-1457?

<trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457

CS: I think he did that.

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25

JS: He added a tracker.

CS: In ARIA 1.0 there was a thing with all the test cases. Did he create one of those?

JS: [Looks]

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/

JS: This (above) is the root page for the test harness, and there's only 1.0 there.

CS: Ok, I'll do that right now.

<scribe> ACTION: Joanie to investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton JavaScript AT-SPI2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1533 - Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-11-18].

<clown> action-1533?

<trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533

<clown> action-1492?

<trackbot> action-1492 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets -- due 2014-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492

CS: We looked at that one earlier.

JS: That is my action now. Let me update that.
... I want this one done for next week.
... We've gone over everything that is overdue.
... Floor is open.

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014JulSep/0071.html

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