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<trackbot> Date: 06 November 2014
<janina> Chair: Janina
<Judy> scribe: judy
js: fyi director's decision & response
on longdesc came out last week
... interested in follow up
... any comments, questions, etc
jf: related discussions w/ wcag wg, to make
sure guidance under wcag 2 is aligned
... also need to do so w/ doc on useful alts
js: nice segway to our next agenda item
... specifics?
jf: just want to make sure that all other documentation is in accordance
js: also wrt techniques, we also have the
tutorials
... there is more now to point to
jb: there is a preliminary longdesc image example in the image tutorial but needs more complex image, imo, and ditto for the useful alts doc
js: similar comment to html wg, we're
getting use cases and requ's from epub orgs, including other feature
requests
... relates to aria describedat in current aria 1.1 spec
... intent to address some of the more advanced requirements for
description including for educational testing
... where there may be heuristically definable differences in what type
of extended description may get presented to users
js: so there is a dir's decision on ld and
we can look at how to frame the advice on longdesc in the useful alts
doc
... needs framing e.g. short vs. long, and @@
... alt is a replacement and you try to convey the intent
... but if the word count for alts go up a lot, it can get very annoying
esp. when you revisit pages
... the alts are auto-read
dm: is 25 words long?
js: yes very
... there's a threshold of too much content when consumed on the fly
<LJWatson> s/The trick to not breaking the back button is not to break the sodding thing in the first place./ /
jb: are you going to file a bug?
<paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26868
pc: there are ~7 bugs on the useful alts doc
already
... and one of the bugs is about longdesc (link above)
... and so janina can go ahead and add her specific questions and
comments there
<paulc> Editors announcement for text alternatives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Nov/0017.html
pc: and here is the email to public admin
appointing new editors
... and you have my apologies for the delay; tied up with TPAC and WG
meeting
<JF> Congrats and thanks to Liam Quin and Shane McCarron
jb: and Paul also busy with release of HTML 5.0 final spec -- congratulations!
pc: many hands in the work over many years
<Zakim> chaals, you wanted to say svg
<David> scribe: David
<Judy> cmn: and file bug on svg for alt doc
JS: resume regular meetings
... Dispose of comments, from EO
... monday morning JF and Janina dispose of comments. 10 Bostom time
JB: reminder Media acc requiremnts, ... go to PF comments list, asks Janina to reflect back to the main list.
JS: don't expect before meeting monday am
<janina> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-pf-minutes.html
<David_> I got dropped
<David_> scribe: David_
JS: we will have work for the WG media sub-team...
JF: WCAG explains outcomes rather than saying "you do this!"
JS: discussion of post production vs pre production
JF: mainstream audio track, with separate track with AD
Foreground, backgorund sounds muted = clean audio
<chaals> q
<David> Could do it post production.... but not for content providers
<David> CM: production people could probably figure our post production clean audio, we could also go out to researchers...
<David> JS: we layout options in the Media doc, but not how to do it...
<David> JS: can't remember timeline Mark gave us, and progress on new text in documnet
<David> PC: He said this week
<David> CM: agnostic editing... not tied only to keyboard
<David> JS: cutting pasting, selecting words, love ben peter
<David> s line accessible by Design, or accessible by intention
<David> JS: will followup with pinters, to Ben Peter's work in web apps
<David> JS: start conversation about what to do now 5.0 are we going to modularize or do 5.1 etc...
<paulc_> After 5 items:
<David> PC: benefited from have Joshue scribe, look at minutes, also during f2f a list was made after html5 there would be modules
<paulc_> Possible modules: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/0068.html
<paulc_> Thu AM discussion at F2F: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item03
<paulc_> Thu PM discussion at F2F: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item10
<paulc_> See also: ACTION-249: Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules
<paulc_> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
<David> PC: chairs have been meeting about the go forward plan... Robin will put something together
<David> David: Campaign all around for 5.0
<David> JS: Yup.... let's close meeting