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15:44:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:44:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago
15:44:26 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:44:26 <trackbot> Date: 06 November 2014
15:44:54 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:44:55 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:44:57 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2014 Follow Ups
15:45:00 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Follow-Up Conversation
15:45:02 <janina> agenda+ Alt Note Status & Next Steps
15:45:05 <janina> agenda+ Media Subteam
15:45:08 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D -- Status, Next Steps
15:45:10 <janina> agenda+ Editing Task Force
15:45:13 <janina> agenda+ TF Work Items (HTML.Next)
15:45:15 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:45:18 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:45:21 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:45:29 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:45:29 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:45:33 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:45:33 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:45:36 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2014 Follow Ups
15:45:38 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Follow-Up Conversation
15:45:41 <janina> agenda+ Alt Note Status & Next Steps
15:45:43 <janina> agenda+ Media Subteam
15:45:46 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D -- Status, Next Steps
15:45:48 <janina> agenda+ Editing Task Force
15:45:51 <janina> agenda+ TF Work Items (HTML.Next)
15:45:53 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:45:56 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:45:59 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:46:11 <janina> zakim, next item
15:46:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:52:22 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
15:52:28 <Zakim> +??P5
15:52:38 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:52:38 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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15:59:32 <janina> regrets: Adrian, Shane, Mark
16:01:10 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:38 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:01:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:04:05 <Zakim> +Judy
16:04:33 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, David_MacDonald, [IPcaller], Judy
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16:04:46 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:04:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose janina
16:04:59 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
16:04:59 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
16:05:12 <Judy> scribe: judy
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16:05:28 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
16:05:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:05:35 <Judy> agenda?
16:05:49 <Judy> zakim, next item
16:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014 Follow Ups" taken up [from janina]
16:06:03 <Zakim> +JF
16:06:19 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:06:28 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:06:28 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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16:06:50 <Judy> js: fyi director's decision & response on longdesc came out last week
16:07:00 <Judy> ...interested in follow up
16:07:10 <JF> Q+
16:07:17 <janina> ack jf
16:07:25 <Judy> ...any comments, questions, etc
16:07:46 <Judy> jf: related discussions w/ wcag wg, to make sure guidance under wcag 2 is aligned
16:08:03 <Judy> ...also need to do so w/ doc on useful alts
16:08:15 <Judy> js: nice segway to our next agenda item
16:08:26 <Judy> ...specifics?
16:08:43 <Judy> jf: just want to make sure that all other documentation is in accordance
16:08:45 <Judy> q+
16:09:03 <Judy> js: also wrt techniques, we also have the tutorials
16:09:13 <Judy> ...there is more now to point to
16:09:23 <janina> q?
16:09:29 <janina> ack ju
16:10:37 <janina> q?
16:11:16 <Judy> jb: there is a preliminary longdesc image example in the image tutorial but needs more complex image, imo, and ditto for the useful alts doc
16:12:00 <Judy> js: similar comment to html wg, we're getting use cases and requ's from epub orgs, including other feature requests
16:12:23 <Judy> ...relates to aria describedat in current aria 1.1 spec
16:12:54 <Judy> ...intent to address some of the more advanced requirements for description including for educational testing
16:13:35 <Judy> ...where there may be heuristically definable differences in what type of extended description may get presented to users
16:13:35 <janina> q?
16:13:53 <Judy> zakim, take up next
16:13:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc Follow-Up Conversation" taken up [from janina]
16:14:20 <Judy> zakim, close this item
16:14:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:14:21 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:21 <Zakim> 4. Alt Note Status & Next Steps [from janina]
16:14:38 <Judy> zakim, take up next
16:14:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Alt Note Status & Next Steps" taken up [from janina]
16:15:08 <Judy> q+
16:16:01 <Judy> js: so there is a dir's decision on ld and we can look at how to frame the advice on longdesc in the useful alts doc
16:16:15 <Judy> ...needs framing e.g. short vs. long, and @@
16:16:39 <Judy> ...alt is a replacement and you try to convey the intent
16:17:30 <Judy> ...but if the word count for alts go up a lot, it can get very annoying esp. when you revisit pages
16:17:38 <Judy> ...the alts are auto-read
16:17:50 <Judy> dm: is 25 words long?
16:17:58 <Judy> js: yes very
16:19:14 <Judy> js: there's a threshold of too much content when consumed on the fly
16:19:20 <LJWatson> s/The trick to not breaking the  back button is not to break the sodding thing in the first place./ /
16:19:34 <Judy> jb: are you going to file a bug?
16:19:59 <janina> ack ju
16:20:54 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26868
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16:20:59 <Judy> pc: there are ~7 bugs on the useful alts doc already
16:21:34 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
16:21:34 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:21:36 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:22:20 <Judy> pc: and one of the bugs is about longdesc (link above)
16:22:38 <janina> q?
16:22:49 <Judy> ...and so janina can go ahead and add her specific questions and comments there
16:23:09 <paulc> Editors announcement for text alternatives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Nov/0017.html
16:23:21 <Judy> pc: and here is the email to public admin appointing new editors
16:23:47 <Judy> ...and you have my apologies for the delay; tied up with TPAC and WG meeting
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16:23:54 <JF> Congrats and thanks to Liam Quin and Shane McCarron
16:23:54 <Judy> q+
16:24:26 <chaals> q+ to say svg
16:25:07 <Judy> jb: and Paul also busy with release of HTML 5.0 final spec -- congratulations!
16:25:15 <janina> q?
16:25:17 <Judy> pc: many hands in the work over many years
16:25:30 <Judy> ack ju
16:25:34 <janina> ack c
16:25:34 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to say svg
16:26:11 <David> scribe: David
16:26:13 <Judy> cmn: and file bug on svg for alt doc
16:26:24 <David> zakim, next item
16:26:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Subteam" taken up [from janina]
16:27:06 <JF> Q+
16:27:26 <David> JS: resume regular meetings
16:28:03 <David> JS: Dispose of comments, from EO
16:29:58 <Judy> q+
16:30:03 <David> JS: monday morning JF and Janina dispose of comments. 10 Bostom time
16:30:05 <Judy> ack j
16:30:43 <janina> ack ju
16:32:05 <David> JB: reminder Media acc requiremnts, ... go to PF comments list, asks Janina to reflect back to the main list.
16:32:29 <David> JS: don't expect before meeting monday am
16:33:06 <janina> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-pf-minutes.html
16:33:45 <JF> ack JF
16:34:00 <JF> Q+
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16:34:22 <David_> I got dropped
16:34:37 <David_> scribe: David_
16:35:14 <janina> ack j
16:35:24 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:35:25 <David_> JS: we will have work for the WG media sub-team...
16:36:01 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
16:36:01 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:36:03 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:36:04 <David_> JF: WCAG explains outcomes rather than saying "you do this!"
16:37:05 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:37:11 <David_> JS: discussion of post production vs pre production
16:37:31 <David_> JF: mainstream audio track, with separate track with AD
16:37:34 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
16:37:34 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:37:36 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:37:54 <janina> q?
16:38:20 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:38:41 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
16:38:41 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:38:43 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:39:23 <David_> Foreground, backgorund sounds muted = clean audio
16:40:18 <chaals> q
16:40:23 <chaals> q+
16:40:30 <David> Could do it post production.... but not for content providers
16:41:18 <David> CM: production people could probably figure our post production clean audio, we could also go out to researchers...
16:41:46 <janina> q?
16:41:49 <janina> ack ch
16:41:51 <David> JS: we layout options in the Media doc, but not how to do it...
16:41:59 <David> zakim, next item
16:41:59 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Canvas 2D -- Status, Next Steps" taken up [from janina]
16:42:50 <David> JS: can't remember timeline Mark gave us, and progress on new text in documnet
16:43:48 <David> PC: He said this week
16:45:17 <David> Zakim, next item
16:45:17 <Zakim> agendum 8. "TF Work Items (HTML.Next)" taken up [from janina]
16:47:28 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:47:33 <David> CM: agnostic editing... not tied only to keyboard
16:47:48 <David> JS: cutting pasting, selecting words, love ben peter
16:48:03 <David> s line accessible by Design, or accessible by intention
16:48:49 <David> JS: will followup with pinters, to Ben Peter's work in web apps
16:48:51 <janina> q?
16:49:41 <David> zakim, take up item 2
16:49:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014 Follow Ups" taken up [from janina]
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16:50:20 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
16:50:20 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:50:22 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:50:43 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:50:50 <David> JS: start conversation about what to do now 5.0 are we going to modularize or do 5.1 etc...
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16:52:18 <paulc_> After 5 items:
16:52:19 <David> PC: benefited from have Joshue scribe, look at minutes, also during f2f a list was made after html5 there would be modules
16:52:25 <paulc_> Possible modules: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/0068.html
16:52:48 <paulc_> Thu AM discussion at F2F: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item03
16:53:08 <paulc_> Thu PM discussion at F2F: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item10
16:53:38 <paulc_> See also: ACTION-249: Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules
16:53:47 <paulc_> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
16:54:46 <David> PC: chairs have been meeting about the go forward plan... Robin will put something together
16:55:10 <janina> q?
16:55:43 <David> David: Campaign all around for 5.0
16:56:02 <David> JS: Yup....  let's close meeting
16:56:09 <Zakim> -LJWatson
16:56:11 <Zakim> -paulc
16:56:13 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
16:56:17 <Zakim> -JF
16:57:24 <Zakim> -janina
16:57:28 <Zakim> -Judy
16:57:36 <David> zakim, make minutes
16:57:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', David
16:58:17 <David> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/06-html-a11y-minutes.html David
16:58:28 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:58:29 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:58:29 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, David_MacDonald, Judy, LJWatson, JF, paulc, Chaals
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