<trackbot> Date: 22 October 2014

<Arnaud> zakim this is shapes

<hknublau> Actually I may be the [IPcaller]

<pfps> I'm not sure which I am, either IPcaller or ??P5

<pfps> I'm trying the mute trick, but it doesn't appear to be working

<pfps> Holger, you can make your IRC name be different from your W3C name

<pfps> Someone else made me be Holger :-( I dropped and came back to fix the problem

<hknublau> @pfps sorry my mistake

<pfps> I have to drop in about 40min to get back to ISWC

<simonstey> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual

erikP: hello

<ericP> ... blah blah blah

<Arnaud> scribe: ralphtq

Arnauld: case sensitive?

<ericP> Arnaud: if you don't know who's speaking, you can just make up some string and someone can fix it

Arnauld: no
... two late registrants

TPAC F2F

<Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/F2F1

Arnauld: who else is playing to come?
... remote partipcants must login and enter info on that page
... no meeting room number yet
... look for it on this page

<pfps> David Martin and I will be the hosts at Nuance

Arnauld: Marriott Santa Clara Thursday, different venue for Froday
... break from 11am to 3pm to encourage networking and cross-fertilization - should we follow this schedule?
... Thursday maybe, Friday?
... AC Rep meetings also happening
... question for all of us
... option 1: attend, option 2: ignore

<SumitPurohit> +q

<pfps> I will be Nuance's AC rep at TPAC, but I don't see much of interest to Nuance on Thursday

<simonstey> i know that axel is in the AC but i dont know whether or not he will attend the ac meeting

<simonstey> i'm available remotly

arnaud: coffee break is 3:30 - this would mean we break at 11 and reconvene at 3:30 - not so good

+q

<simonstey> +1

arnaud: should we keep the breakouts?
... no AC meetings - full day - decision
... let's talk about the meeting now - agenda - how we organize
... Eric to do an intro - landscape - use cases and requirements
... cover DC work
... during this we would be in "listen-only" + clarification mode
... maybe 40mins
... then explore issues
... identify issues and record
... surface missing use cases
... grouping has already started
... goal to be (1) better sense of use cases and requirements
... also (2) get to know each other and have a common language

<SumitPurohit> +1 for the idea

arnaud: Eric's presentation might mean that others can present on the second day

<pfps> hold on

pfps: if people will present info on technical solutions, would like to have concise info ahead of meeting
... ideally now
... I have this ready now

arnaud: desirable but can we make it mandatable

who is speaking?

sumitpurohit: spoke - [failed to capture his input]

pfps: SPIN and SHex adaquate
... documentation that is

<SumitPurohit> SumitPurohit: agrees with Peter about getting some pointers about the technical presentations.

arnaud: 4 technologies we are considering: SPIN, SHex, Resource Shapes and ...

<hknublau> Suggested reading on SPIN: http://spinrdf.org/spinsquare.html

pfps: yes but we need some orientation on how to read

arnaud: happy to list resource section for meeting

<pfps> it's the best of all possible worlds (that is, of course, not to say that it is good :-)

<SumitPurohit> +1 agenda (so far)

<simonstey> +1

arnaud: precise agenda is hard - we are early in the process
... enough on ahenda
... next 20 mins - use cases and requirements?

Use cases & Requirements

Use Cases and requirements

<ericP> UC "small"

ericp: I have done the following
... at the URL above

<pfps> Hierarchical View of Dublin Core Requirements for RDF Validation

<simonstey> Hierarchical View of Dublin Core Requirements for RDF Validation

<SumitPurohit> yes

ericp: Can everyone see document
... yes

<SumitPurohit> yes

ericp: DC reqs under DCAP heading

<simonstey> yes

ericp: tabs organize the groups
... button for new ones
... small is ~26 reqs
... high level are common ones
... yellow stuff points to DC database
... maybe we can approve small
... should I go through the categories?

arnaud: would like to confirm approach

ericp: for missing issues - click on DB - maybe some should be in small
... missing issues -> missing use cases
... i'll walk through the groupings
... expressivity has code samples
... finally implementabiliy - re: validation

arnuad: core might be better name than small
... I'd like to ask if this organization makes sense

sumitpurohit: question - when you say schemas are not ontologies, what do you mean?

ericp: we can have our own schema separate from the original ontology

pfps: schema is what works on other domains

+q

ralphtq: just like architecture schema will need a prefix - interface schema, validation schema, ....

<simonstey> :D

arnaud: seems we are all ok with the approach
... encourage people to give input
... what are we missing - have we characterized things the right way

<SumitPurohit> Thank you all

arnaud: we'll close now
... thanks to all
... meeting closed

-ralphtq

<Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

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