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13:58:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:58:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:58:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference
13:58:14 <trackbot> Date: 22 October 2014
13:58:24 <Arnaud> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:58:44 <Arnaud> zakim this is shapes
13:58:50 <Arnaud> zakim, this is shapes
13:58:52 <Zakim> ok, Arnaud; that matches DATA_RDFWG()10:00AM
13:58:59 <DavidM> DavidM has joined #shapes
13:59:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:59:11 <Zakim> +??P5
13:59:30 <pfps> pfps has joined #shapes
13:59:41 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, SumitPurohit, [IPcaller], ??P5
13:59:53 <simonstey> zakim, ??P0 is me
13:59:53 <Zakim> +simonstey; got it
14:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.408.243.aaaa
14:00:15 <hknublau> Zakim, ??p5 is me
14:00:15 <Zakim> +hknublau; got it
14:00:26 <Zakim> +Arnaud
14:00:31 <ocorby> ocorby has joined #shapes
14:00:52 <Zakim> + +1.919.977.aabb
14:01:17 <hknublau> Actually I may be the [IPcaller]
14:01:58 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is DavidM
14:01:58 <Zakim> +DavidM; got it
14:02:01 <pfps> I'm not sure which I am, either IPcaller or ??P5
14:02:06 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.96.aacc
14:02:20 <Zakim> +ericP
14:02:22 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb is ralphtq
14:02:22 <Zakim> +ralphtq; got it
14:02:31 <pfps> I'm trying the mute trick, but it doesn't appear to be working
14:02:39 <ocorby> zakim, aacc is ocoby
14:02:39 <Zakim> +ocoby; got it
14:02:54 <ocorby> zakim, aacc is ocorby
14:02:55 <Zakim> sorry, ocorby, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
14:03:14 <ericP> Zakim, ocoby is really ocorby
14:03:14 <Zakim> +ocorby; got it
14:03:25 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:03:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonstey, SumitPurohit, [IPcaller], hknublau, DavidM, Arnaud, ralphtq, ocorby, ericP
14:03:28 <Zakim> -hknublau
14:03:53 <Zakim> +??P5
14:04:01 <pfps> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:04:01 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
14:04:09 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonstey, SumitPurohit, [IPcaller], DavidM, Arnaud, ralphtq, ocorby, ericP, pfps
14:05:24 <pfps> Holger, you can make your IRC name be different from your W3C name
14:05:29 <Arnaud> zakim, IPCaller is hknublau
14:05:29 <Zakim> +hknublau; got it
14:05:41 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:05:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonstey, SumitPurohit, hknublau, DavidM, Arnaud, ralphtq, ocorby, ericP, pfps
14:05:47 <pfps> Someone else made me be Holger  :-(  I dropped and came back to fix the problem
14:06:14 <hknublau> @pfps sorry my mistake
14:06:43 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
14:06:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ralphtq
14:07:06 <pfps> I have to drop in about 40min to get back to ISWC
14:07:29 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
14:07:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose hknublau
14:07:52 <simonstey> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual
14:08:18 <ralphtq> erikP: hello
14:08:31 <ericP> ... blah blah blah
14:09:52 <Arnaud> scribe: ralphtq
14:09:55 <ralphtq> Arnauld: case sensitive?
14:09:58 <ericP> @@1: if you don't know who's speaking, you can just make up some string and someone can fix it
14:10:00 <ralphtq> ... no
14:10:05 <Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
14:10:07 <ericP> s/@@1/Arnaud/
14:10:14 <Arnaud> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.10.22
14:10:59 <ralphtq> Arnauld: two late registrants
14:11:01 <Arnaud> topic: TPAC F2F
14:11:04 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/F2F1
14:11:46 <ralphtq> .. who else is playing to come?
14:12:43 <ralphtq> ... remote partipcants must login and enter info on that page
14:13:50 <ralphtq> ... no meeting room number yet
14:13:58 <ralphtq> ... look for it on this page
14:14:28 <pfps> David Martin and I will be the hosts at Nuance
14:14:28 <ralphtq> ... Marriott Santa Clara Thursday, different venue for Froday
14:15:49 <ralphtq> ... break from 11am to 3pm to encourage networking and cross-fertilization - should we follow this schedule?
14:16:13 <ralphtq> ... Thursday maybe, Friday?
14:16:45 <ralphtq> ... AC Rep meetings also happening
14:17:30 <ralphtq> ... question for all of us
14:17:48 <ralphtq> ... option 1: attend, option 2: ignore
14:17:48 <SumitPurohit> +q
14:17:59 <Arnaud> ack SumitPurohit
14:18:04 <pfps> I will be Nuance's AC rep at TPAC, but  I don't see much of interest to Nuance on Thursday
14:18:54 <simonstey> i know that axel is in the AC but i dont know whether or not he will attend the ac meeting
14:18:59 <simonstey> i'm available remotly
14:20:17 <ralphtq> arnuld: coffee break is 3:30 - this would mean we break at 11 and reconvene at 3:30 - not so good
14:20:27 <ralphtq> +q
14:20:32 <Arnaud> ack ralphtq
14:20:48 <Arnaud> s/arnuld/arnaud/
14:21:50 <simonstey> +1
14:21:51 <ralphtq> arnaud: should we keep the breakouts?
14:22:36 <ralphtq> ... no AC meetings - full day - decision
14:23:27 <ralphtq> ... let's talk about the meeting now - agenda - how we organize
14:24:15 <ralphtq> ... Eric to do an intro - landscape - use cases and requirements
14:24:30 <ralphtq> ... cover DC work
14:25:04 <ralphtq> ... during this we would be in "listen-only" + clarification mode
14:25:16 <ralphtq> ... maybe 40mins
14:25:27 <ralphtq> ... then explore issues
14:25:59 <ralphtq> ... identify issues and record
14:26:36 <ralphtq> ... surface missing use cases
14:27:13 <ralphtq> ... grouping has already started
14:27:41 <ralphtq> ... goal to be (1) better sense of use cases and requirements
14:28:13 <ralphtq> ... also (2) get to know each other and have a common language
14:28:20 <SumitPurohit> +1 for the idea
14:28:34 <pfps> q+
14:29:28 <ralphtq> ... Eric's presentation might mean that others can present on the second day
14:29:41 <Arnaud> ack pfps
14:29:43 <pfps> hold on
14:30:37 <ralphtq> pfps: if people will present info on technical solutions, would like to have concise info ahead of meeting
14:30:46 <ralphtq> ... ideally now
14:31:00 <ralphtq> ... I have this ready now
14:31:02 <Zakim> -ocorby
14:31:52 <ralphtq> arnaud: desirable but can we make it mandatable
14:32:10 <ralphtq> who is speaking?
14:32:17 <Zakim> +karima
14:32:28 <Zakim> -ericP
14:32:55 <ralphtq> sumitpurohit: spoke - [failed to capture his input]
14:33:10 <Zakim> +ericP
14:33:54 <ralphtq> pfps: SPIN and SHex adaquate
14:34:04 <ralphtq> ... documentation that is
14:34:17 <SumitPurohit> SumitPurohit: agrees with Peter about getting some pointers about the technical presentations.
14:35:14 <ralphtq> arnaud: 4 technologies we are considering: SPIN, SHex, Resource Shapes and ...
14:35:33 <hknublau> Suggested reading on SPIN: http://spinrdf.org/spinsquare.html
14:35:46 <ralphtq> pfps: yes but we need some orientation on how to read
14:36:14 <ralphtq> arnaud: happy to list resource section for meeting
14:36:49 <pfps> it's the best of all possible worlds (that is, of course, not to say that it is good :-)
14:36:55 <SumitPurohit> +1 agenda (so far)
14:37:02 <simonstey> +1
14:37:05 <ralphtq> ... precise agenda is hard - we are early in the process
14:37:36 <ralphtq> ... enough on ahenda
14:37:55 <ralphtq> ... next 20 mins - use cases and requirements?
14:38:16 <Arnaud> topic: Use cases & Requirements
14:38:31 <ralphtq> topic: Use Cases and requirements
14:38:42 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/rdfvalreqs/#+small UC "small"
14:38:48 <ralphtq> ericp: I have done the following
14:38:59 <ralphtq> ... at the URL above
14:39:04 <pfps> Hierarchical View of Dublin Core Requirements for RDF Validation
14:39:04 <simonstey> Hierarchical View of Dublin Core Requirements for RDF Validation
14:39:53 <SumitPurohit> yes
14:40:05 <ralphtq> ericp: Can everyone see document
14:40:10 <ralphtq> ... yes
14:41:06 <SumitPurohit> yes
14:41:06 <ralphtq> ... DC reqs under DCAP heading
14:41:09 <simonstey> yes
14:41:47 <ralphtq> ... tabs organize the groups
14:42:05 <ralphtq> ... button for new ones
14:42:25 <ralphtq> ... small is ~26 reqs
14:42:52 <ralphtq> ... high level are common ones
14:43:16 <ralphtq> ... yellow stuff points to DC database
14:43:35 <ralphtq> ... maybe we can approve small
14:43:50 <ralphtq> ... should I go through the categories?
14:44:03 <ralphtq> arnaud: would like to confirm approach
14:44:30 <ralphtq> ericp: for missing issues - click on DB - maybe some should be in small
14:44:51 <ralphtq> ... missing issues -> missing use cases
14:46:04 <ralphtq> ericp: i'll walk through the groupings
14:47:56 <ralphtq> ... expressivity has code samples
14:51:16 <ralphtq> ... finally implementabiliy - re: validation
14:51:49 <ralphtq> arnuad: core might be better name than small
14:52:12 <ralphtq> ... I'd like to ask if this organization makes sense
14:52:22 <Zakim> -pfps
14:53:21 <ralphtq> sumitpurohit: question - when you say schemas are not ontologies, what do you mean?
14:54:17 <ralphtq> ericp: we can have our own schema separate from the original ontology
14:54:56 <ralphtq> pfps: schema is what works on other domains
14:55:18 <ralphtq> +q
14:56:04 <ralphtq> ralphtq: just like architecture schema will need a prefix - interface schema, validation schema, ....
14:56:20 <Arnaud> ack ralphtq
14:57:07 <simonstey> :D
14:57:34 <ralphtq> arnaud: seems we are all ok with the approach
14:57:56 <ralphtq> ... encourage people to give input
14:58:21 <ralphtq> ... what are we missing - have we characterized things the right way
14:59:15 <SumitPurohit> Thank you all
14:59:19 <ralphtq> ... we'll close now
14:59:28 <ralphtq> ... thanks to all
15:00:09 <Zakim> -ericP
15:00:11 <Zakim> -hknublau
15:00:12 <Zakim> -simonstey
15:00:12 <Zakim> -DavidM
15:00:13 <ralphtq> ... meeting closed
15:00:13 <Zakim> -Arnaud
15:00:14 <Zakim> -SumitPurohit
15:00:18 <Zakim> -karima
15:00:23 <ralphtq> -ralphtq
15:00:25 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
15:00:25 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:00:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been SumitPurohit, simonstey, +1.408.243.aaaa, hknublau, Arnaud, +1.919.977.aabb, DavidM, +33.4.92.96.aacc, ericP, ralphtq, ocorby, pfps, karima
15:00:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/22-shapes-minutes.html trackbot
15:00:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:00:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items