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<scribe> scribe: phila
ericstephan: this is open agenda
ericstephan: At the end of July a lot of our efforts were losing steam, everyone getting distracted. I think this month is the opp to regroup and figure out where we want to go by the time of the f2f meeting at TPAC
ericstephan: If I'm speaking about things already agreed on, tell me, but I've gone through e-mails and got impressions so far
<ericstephan> Revisiting the use cases for data usage - are they complete enough? https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases
ericstephan: do we have enough in
the UCR for the DUV?
... or do we need more?
BernadetteLoscio: I don't think
the Use cases are focussed on data usage. It's more about the
publication side. Not about experiences of how the data was
used
... I don't know if we can extract what we need yet
ericstephan: It would be helpful
for me ... there were several efforts to do this... but is it
defined. And you were asking whether we have the use cases
yet
... we need that as a firm foundation
... so I think we should tackle that first - identify the use
cases and identifying what other UCs we might need
BernadetteLoscio: I think it would be interesting to have more user cases. Can we contact some people and find out what they'd like? People from government, hackathons etc.
<ericstephan> phila: perhaps we could ask Steve and Yaso to go to other groups to help us develop more use cases from other partners.
<ericstephan> phila: they could speak to people in the field to speak to communities they represent and get a status.
BernadetteLoscio: do you think it wouold be good to have a template for the use cases?
ericstephan: So an action item is to send out a call for help. Yes, ask Steve and Yaso but we can ask others too.
<scribe> ACTION: ericstephan to write to Steve and seek help with developing use cases for data usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Write to steve and seek help with developing use cases for data usage [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-09-11].
<scribe> ACTION: Bernadette to write to Yaso to seek help with developing use cases for data usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Write to yaso to seek help with developing use cases for data usage [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2014-09-11].
MakxDekkers: I have problems
understanding exactly what we're trying to do here... we need
to know who we need to get in touch with
... for example, I have the people from listpoint.co.uk - they
have usage profiles, but I don't have a good view of what the
DUV is trying to achieve
... we need to talk to people who need it
<ericstephan> Charter reference http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html
<ericstephan> Original proposed definition: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Definition
ericstephan: which brings us to the chicken and egg... one of the things we've done... in the original charter, we worked to come up with a data usage definition
<ericstephan> Email thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0083.html
ericstephan: and then based on
that proposed definition, I've not done anything with it since
that thread
... it would be good to have a clear idea of what we mean by
data usage
... it seems that the original definition has been accepted,
but limitations? That can get confusing and I suggets we strike
that out
... and focus on data processing, application usage, data
connectivity
... woiuld it be helpful in these efforts to be more clear on
what we mean by DU?
BernadetteLoscio: Yes. We've discussed this before - it's not really clear to me whether we're talking about ... do we mean how data is combined? Will the description be in an application? Part of the dataset?
MakxDekkers: The problem that I see that I'm not sure that users of the data aren't in this group? How do we reach out to people who are waiting for us to do this?
BernadetteLoscio: We can think that usage can be part of the data description, it would produce an instance of that description
MakxDekkers: You're saying it's
info about monitoring hte use of the data and keeping track of
that
... every time someone accesses the data, the DUV is used to
record sometehing about that usage?
BernadetteLoscio: Sort of...
ericstephan: That sounds as like provenance?
MakxDekkers: no, this is monitoring. You may record who was asking for the data, you may want to record what they're using it for?
ericstephan: I could argue that Prov covers that. There are 3 perspectives. One is data oriented, one is interaction, another is process oriented
phila: the danish mapping agency might be an example
BernadetteLoscio: we can do it in several ways, I'm going to combine it with...
<ericstephan> phila: the politics and business of making the data available are not always aligned. someone in the management chain makes the decision to publish the data... (what we were thinking about in the charter).
<ericstephan> phila: In 6 months time they manager needs to be able determine what people have done with the data.
<ericstephan> phila: a way to encourage people to make data available on the web. Being able to find out that someone created something interesting with the data.
ericstephan: would you mind writing that up as a use case?
<ericstephan> phila: will write this up in a use case
<scribe> ACTION: phil to write a use case that captures the thing about recognition of efforts made by data publishers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Write a use case that captures the thing about recognition of efforts made by data publishers [on Phil Archer - due 2014-09-11].
<BernadetteLoscio> http://appckan.com/
BernadetteLoscio: we created a means for app developers to describe what they've done
<ericstephan> bernadette: applications that use open data.
BernadetteLoscio: we created a
repository of users of open data. We created a vocab that
describes applications
... The idea is that the application is described
... the student wrote 30 pages on this, all in Portuguese
... so I'll write something up in English and share it with the
group
<ericstephan> phila: what is the incentive for the application programmer to do this? e.g. making it more discoverable
<ericstephan> phila: If it is seen as schema.org the reason why people markup pages with schema.org a couple of weeks ago, they now have their markup on 20% of their web pages.
ericstephan: This is helping to
raise my understanding... and to your point Makx, Prov is more
of a nuits and bolts thing, but it's not hte kind of detail
that people are going to instantly get
... this is more of a human interface
... cf. a pure machine interface
<ericstephan> phila: stroking the ego of the application developer and data publisher, showing how data was used by this particular person.
ericstephan: Let's keep iterating on this. I think some improtance concepts were caught here.
BernadetteLoscio: one more thing
- do you think we should prepare a template for the use
cases?
... that might help people understand what we need from
them
<ericstephan> thank you phila for scribing and your invaluable input!
<ericstephan> :-)