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Pointer Events WG Voice Conference

02 Sep 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Art_Barstow, Scott_González, Rick_Byers, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, Matt_Brubeck, Cathy_Chan, Jacob_Rossi
Regrets
Chair
ArtB
Scribe
ArtB

Contents


<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<scribe> Scribe: ArtB

Tweak and agree on agenda

AB: I posted a draft agenda on August 29 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0086.html>. Since then PR-1220 was submitted so I propose we include that in the PR topics. Any objections to that, or are there any other change requests?

Open PRs: plans and status

AB: PR-1121; SVG touch-action tests; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1121> ; blocked on Doug's Action-116 <https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/116>
... Doug what's the ETA for your review to be completed?

DS: I looked at it

… a bit strange since SVG doesn't directly have scroll

… but it inherits it via HTML (f.ex.)

… I need to mention this to the SVGWG

<scribe> ACTION: doug review PR-1121 with the SVGWG and then report findings to PEWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Review pr-1121 with the svgwg and then report findings to pewg [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-09-09].

AB: if you could expedite that Doug, I would appreciate it
... PR-1124; Updates and new tests for TAs 2.4.1, 3.6, 3.6.1, 4.3, 4.3.1; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1124>. We discussed this on August 5 and agreed to continue discussion on the list <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html>.
... I believe the related thread is "pointerout and pointerleave after pointercancel" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0044.html>. Is this ready to be merged or are there any open issues?

CC: I sent a Q to the list

… Jacob replied and he clarified

… I have one minor tweak

… I'll also discuss with Sangwhan

… and then we need someone to review

AB: so, Cathy needs to review and talk to Sangwhan and then we need someone to review the PR. Is that right?

CC: yes

<scribe> ACTION: Cathy follow up with Sangwhan re PR-1124 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Follow up with sangwhan re pr-1124 [on Cathy Chan - due 2014-09-09].

AB: PR-1215; this fixes work of the checkDirection function in Firefox; by @EvgenyAgafonchikov; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1215/>. Has anyone reviewed this
... would someone please agree to take an action to review this?

JR: this could be someone from MS Open Tech but I'm not sure

<smaug> back

MB: the change looks trivial

AB: trivial enough that we could agree on this call to merge it?

MB: yes, I think so.

AB: any objections to the merge?

[ None ]

AB: Matt, please merge it

MB: will do

AB: thanks Matt!
... PR-1220; Assertions 4.3 and 5.3; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1220>; by @ArtemAntonets ; discussion thread is <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0093.html>.
... Jacob, what's the status of this PR?

JR: I'll have to check with Artem

… if there is a duplicate, we'll need to drop a file

<scribe> ACTION: Jacob follow up with Artem re PR-1220 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Follow up with artem re pr-1220 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-09-09].

AB: anything else on open PRs?

Open Actions re TAs 11.3 and 13.4

AB: I have Action-117 and Action-118 to issue a call for a volunteer to create a tests for TAs 11.3 and 13.4 (<https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/117>, <https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/118>) 
... I didn't make that call since I believe Scott said he would investigate these two after he returned. I think we also previously discussed if these two assertions could be considered more like `stress tests` and hence not part of the CR testing.
... any comments these two TAs?

SG: these should be easy to write tests for

JR: I'll need to look at them

SG: there was a recent thread about this

… (I'll look for the archive link)

JR: we don't have anything in the pipeline for these

<scott_gonzalez> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0091.html

SG: I asked for more details

AB: not clear to me, what - if anything - needs to be done (with the spec)

SG: see his latest reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html

RB: I can see there is a contradiction here

AB: Jacob, would you please reply?

JR: yes; there could be a contradiction; I'll need to review it

<scribe> ACTION: Jacob reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Reply to http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-pointer-events/2014julsep/0094.html [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-09-09].

SG: I think we just need to update the table

… I can reply to thread and suggest updating the table and if that will address his concern

RB: I think that's a good way forward

AB: ok, so Scott, please do reply to Maksim and Jacob, please do update the table
... so Scott, can you write tests for 11.3 and 13.4?

SG: yes; but I first want to verify the scope of the tests

[ Scott expands on his context concern ]

JR: I think what you suggested is ok

<scribe> ACTION: Scott create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4 [on Scott González - due 2014-09-09].

Status of test case commitments by Microsoft

AB: assertion 5.3 <https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events> is covered by PR-1220 so we already discussed this.
... Jacob, Asir, what's the status of tests for assertions 15.{11,18,19,20} <https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property>

JR: I think we have tests for all of these

… I think we can remove the last assertion

… I propose we delete the "To-be-added"

AB: any objections to that deletion?

[ None ]

<scribe> ACTION: barstow remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action CSS property table [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action css property table [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-09-09].

AB: will be expect one new PR for these tests?

JR: yes, I think so and should come in this week

AB: ok; great

Tests for asynchronous events (10.2, 11.2)

AB: anyone know Maksim?

OP: he is MS Open Tech working on FF impl

SG: he does have a microsoft.com address

JR: yes, he does work for MS Open Tech

AB: Maksim Lebedev <alessarik@gmail.com> asked about the tests for assertions 10.2 and 11.2 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html>

OP: I sent some comments to the list just now

… I agree there is a test issue

… the test needs to be fixed

JR: where did this test originate?

SG: I submitted this test

JR: this is tricky to test

… I would just test for the asynch property and then `call it good`

OP: think there is a way to test this

[ Olli describes a fix ]

JR: yes, that could be done

OP: event handler can change the value of the flag

SG: we can make that change

OP: think that we would be good enough

[ Jacob describes some old/obsolete behavior with just synch events ]

SG: I can submit a PR to fix these

<scribe> ACTION: Scott submit a PR to address Maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Submit a pr to address maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-pointer-events/2014julsep/0068.html [on Scott González - due 2014-09-09].

Surprising lostpointercapture event test 11.1

AB: Maksim Lebedev <alessarik@gmail.com> also asked about the test for assertion 11.1 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0069.html>

SG: this is exactly the same as we just discussed

OP: I think there is a need for spec change

JR: yes, that's fine; this is the same as discussed earlier

AB: do we need a new action?

JR: no, I think the previous action I took will take care of this

Pointer Events and Touch Events

DS: will we have the impls we need to get to REC?

JR: yes, IE

MB: yes, Metro

DS: then we should proceed

AB: yes, I agree

AoB

AB: probably don't need a call on Sept 9 and I have a conflict on Sept 16 so there won't be a call that day

… please address open actions

… Thanks everyone!

… Meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: barstow remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action CSS property table [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Cathy follow up with Sangwhan re PR-1124 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: doug review PR-1121 with the SVGWG and then report findings to PEWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jacob follow up with Artem re PR-1220 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Jacob reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Scott create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Scott submit a PR to address Maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07]
 
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