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15:02:08 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
15:02:08 <ArtB> Scribe: ArtB
15:02:08 <ArtB> Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
15:02:08 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0086.html
15:02:08 <ArtB> Chair: ArtB
15:02:09 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:02:12 <smaug> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
15:02:12 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
15:02:18 <Zakim> +rbyers
15:03:36 <Zakim> +Matt_Brubeck
15:03:49 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #pointerevents
15:04:01 <ArtB> Present: Art_Barstow, Scott_González, Rick_Byers, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, Matt_Brubeck, Cathy_Chan,
15:04:02 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
15:04:02 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
15:04:40 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:51 <jrossi2> Zakim, Microsoft is jrossi2
15:04:51 <Zakim> +jrossi2; got it
15:04:56 <ArtB> Present+ Jacob_Rossi
15:05:27 <ArtB> Topic: Tweak and agree on agenda
15:05:36 <ArtB> AB: I posted a draft agenda on August 29 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0086.html>. Since then PR-1220 was submitted so I propose we include that in the PR topics. Any objections to that, or are there any other change requests?
15:06:22 <ArtB> Topic: Open PRs: plans and status
15:06:28 <ArtB> AB: PR-1121; SVG touch-action tests; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1121> ; blocked on Doug's Action-116 <https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/116>
15:06:37 <ArtB> AB: Doug what's the ETA for your review to be completed?
15:06:45 <ArtB> DS: I looked at it
15:07:01 <ArtB> … a bit strange since SVG doesn't directly have scroll
15:07:15 <ArtB> … but it inherits it via HTML (f.ex.)
15:07:24 <ArtB> … I need to mention this to the SVGWG
15:07:54 <ArtB> ACTION: doug review PR-1121 with the SVGWG and then report findings to PEWG
15:07:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Review pr-1121 with the svgwg and then report findings to pewg [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-09-09].
15:08:00 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:08:23 <ArtB> AB: if you could expedite that Doug, I would appreciate it
15:08:30 <ArtB> AB: PR-1124; Updates and new tests for TAs 2.4.1, 3.6, 3.6.1, 4.3, 4.3.1; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1124>. We discussed this on August 5 and agreed to continue discussion on the list <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html>.
15:08:43 <ArtB> AB: I believe the related thread is "pointerout and pointerleave after pointercancel" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0044.html>. Is this ready to be merged or are there any open issues?
15:09:18 <ArtB> CC: I sent a Q to the list
15:09:33 <ArtB> … Jacob replied and he clarified
15:09:40 <ArtB> … I have one minor tweak
15:09:53 <ArtB> … I'll also discuss with Sangwhan
15:10:01 <ArtB> … and then we need someone to review
15:10:37 <ArtB> AB: so, Cathy needs to review and talk to Sangwhan and then we need someone to review the PR. Is that right?
15:10:39 <ArtB> CC: yes
15:10:50 <ArtB> ACTION: Cathy follow up with Sangwhan re PR-1124
15:10:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Follow up with sangwhan re pr-1124 [on Cathy Chan - due 2014-09-09].
15:11:05 <ArtB> AB: PR-1215; this fixes work of the checkDirection function in Firefox; by @EvgenyAgafonchikov; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1215/>. Has anyone reviewed this
15:11:14 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
15:11:29 <ArtB> AB: would someone please agree to take an action to review this?
15:11:44 <ArtB> JR: this could be someone from MS Open Tech but I'm not sure
15:11:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:11:48 <smaug> back
15:11:58 <smaug> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
15:11:58 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
15:12:01 <ArtB> MB: the change looks trivial
15:12:17 <ArtB> AB: trivial enough that we could agree on this call to merge it?
15:12:26 <ArtB> MB: yes, I think so.
15:12:36 <ArtB> AB: any objections to the merge?
15:12:39 <ArtB> [ None ]
15:12:45 <ArtB> AB: Matt, please merge it
15:12:50 <ArtB> MB: will do
15:12:53 <ArtB> AB: thanks Matt!
15:13:01 <ArtB> AB: PR-1220; Assertions 4.3 and 5.3; <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1220>; by @ArtemAntonets ; discussion thread is <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0093.html>.
15:13:28 <ArtB> AB: Jacob, what's the status of this PR?
15:13:52 <ArtB> JR: I'll have to check with Artem
15:14:04 <ArtB> … if there is a duplicate, we'll need to drop a file
15:14:18 <ArtB> ACTION: Jacob follow up with Artem re PR-1220
15:14:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Follow up with artem re pr-1220 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-09-09].
15:14:32 <ArtB> AB: anything else on open PRs?
15:14:38 <ArtB> Topic: Open Actions re TAs 11.3 and 13.4
15:14:43 <ArtB> AB: I have Action-117 and Action-118 to issue a call for a volunteer to create a tests for TAs 11.3 and 13.4 (<https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/117>, <https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/118>) 
15:14:57 <ArtB> AB: I didn't make that call since I believe Scott said he would investigate these two after he returned. I think we also previously discussed if these two assertions could be considered more like `stress tests` and hence not part of the CR testing.
15:15:33 <ArtB> AB: any comments these two TAs?
15:16:05 <ArtB> SG: these should be easy to write tests for
15:16:11 <ArtB> JR: I'll need to look at them
15:16:25 <ArtB> SG: there was a recent thread about this
15:16:36 <ArtB> … (I'll look for the archive link)
15:16:46 <ArtB> JR: we don't have anything in the pipeline for these
15:16:48 <scott_gonzalez> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0091.html
15:18:35 <ArtB> SG: I asked for more details
15:19:13 <ArtB> AB: not clear to me, what - if anything - needs to be done (with the spec)
15:19:36 <ArtB> SG: see his latest reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html
15:19:48 <ArtB> RB: I can see there is a contradiction here
15:20:18 <ArtB> AB: Jacob, would you please reply?
15:20:30 <ArtB> JR: yes; there could be a contradiction; I'll need to review it
15:20:46 <ArtB> ACTION: Jacob reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html
15:20:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Reply to http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-pointer-events/2014julsep/0094.html [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-09-09].
15:20:55 <ArtB> SG: I think we just need to update the table
15:21:18 <ArtB> … I can reply to thread and suggest updating the table and if that will address his concern
15:21:27 <ArtB> RB: I think that's a good way forward
15:22:10 <ArtB> AB: ok, so Scott, please do reply to Maksim and Jacob, please do update the table
15:23:05 <ArtB> AB: so Scott, can you write tests for 11.3 and 13.4?
15:23:19 <ArtB> SG: yes; but I want to verify the scope of the tests
15:23:29 <ArtB> s/want to/first want to/
15:23:40 <ArtB> [ Scott expands on his context concern ]
15:24:12 <ArtB> JR: I think what you suggested is ok
15:24:46 <ArtB> ACTION: Scott create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4
15:24:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4 [on Scott González - due 2014-09-09].
15:25:18 <ArtB> Topic: Status of test case commitments by Microsoft
15:25:25 <ArtB> AB: assertion 5.3 <https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events> is covered by PR-1220 so we already discussed this.
15:25:46 <ArtB> AB: Jacob, Asir, what's the status of tests for assertions 15.{11,18,19,20} <https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property>
15:26:46 <ArtB> JR: I think we have tests for all of these
15:27:04 <ArtB> … I think we can remove the last assertion
15:27:27 <ArtB> … I propose we delete the "To-be-added"
15:27:35 <ArtB> AB: any objections to that deletion?
15:27:40 <ArtB> [ None ]
15:28:11 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action CSS property table
15:28:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action css property table [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-09-09].
15:28:39 <ArtB> AB: will be expect one new PR for these tests?
15:28:47 <ArtB> JR: yes, I think so and should come in this week
15:28:52 <ArtB> AB: ok; great
15:29:05 <ArtB> Topic: Tests for asynchronous events (10.2, 11.2)
15:29:24 <ArtB> AB: anyone know Maksim?
15:29:34 <ArtB> OP: he is MS Open Tech working on FF impl
15:29:57 <ArtB> SG: he does have a microsoft.com address
15:30:27 <ArtB> JR: yes, he does work for MS Open Tech
15:30:30 <ArtB> AB: Maksim Lebedev <alessarik@gmail.com> asked about the tests for assertions 10.2 and 11.2 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html>
15:30:42 <ArtB> OP: I sent some comments to the list just now
15:30:49 <ArtB> … I agree there is a test issue
15:31:39 <ArtB> … the test needs to be fixed
15:32:12 <Zakim> -Matt_Brubeck
15:32:18 <ArtB> JR: where did this test originate?
15:32:30 <ArtB> SG: I submitted this test
15:33:08 <Zakim> +Matt_Brubeck
15:33:12 <ArtB> JR: this is tricky to test
15:33:34 <ArtB> … I would just test for the asynch property and then `call it good`
15:34:11 <ArtB> OP: think there is a way to test this
15:34:24 <ArtB> [ Olli describes a fix ]
15:34:28 <ArtB> JR: yes, that could be done
15:34:39 <ArtB> OP: event handler can change the value of the flag
15:34:58 <ArtB> SG: we can make that change
15:35:15 <ArtB> OP: think that we would be good enough
15:36:27 <ArtB> [ Jacob describes some old/obsolete behavior with just synch events ]
15:36:38 <ArtB> SG: I can submit a PR to fix these
15:37:16 <ArtB> ACTION: Scott submit a PR to address Maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html
15:37:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Submit a pr to address maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-pointer-events/2014julsep/0068.html [on Scott González - due 2014-09-09].
15:37:41 <ArtB> Topic: Surprising lostpointercapture event test 11.1
15:37:54 <ArtB> AB: Maksim Lebedev <alessarik@gmail.com> also asked about the test for assertion 11.1 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0069.html>
15:38:15 <ArtB> SG: this is exactly the same as we just discussed
15:38:48 <ArtB> OP: I think there is a need for spec change
15:38:57 <ArtB> JR: yes, that's fine; this is the same as discussed earlier
15:39:22 <ArtB> AB: do we need a new action?
15:39:37 <ArtB> JR: no, I think the previous action I took will take care of this
15:42:20 <ArtB> Topic: Pointer Events and Touch Events
15:42:31 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:42:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:01:48 <ArtB> DS: will we have the impls we need to get to REC?
16:01:51 <ArtB> JR: yes, IE
16:01:57 <ArtB> MB: yes, Metro
16:02:09 <ArtB> DS: then we should proceed
16:07:43 <ArtB> AB: yes, I agree
16:12:11 <ArtB> Topic: AoB
16:12:45 <ArtB> AB: probably don't need a call on Sept 9 and I have a conflict on Sept 16 so there won't be a call that day
16:12:52 <ArtB> … please address open actions
16:12:58 <ArtB> … Thanks everyone!
16:15:13 <ArtB> … Meeting adjourned
16:15:16 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
16:15:18 <Zakim> -Cathy
16:15:18 <Zakim> -jrossi2
16:15:19 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
16:15:19 <Zakim> -rbyers
16:15:20 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
16:15:20 <Zakim> -Scott_Gonzalez
16:15:24 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:15:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:15:34 <Zakim> -Matt_Brubeck
16:15:35 <Zakim> RWC_PEWG()11:00AM has ended
16:15:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Scott_Gonzalez, Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, rbyers, Matt_Brubeck, jrossi2, Cathy
16:42:27 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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16:42:31 <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: doug review PR-1121 with the SVGWG and then report findings to PEWG [1]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-07-54
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cathy follow up with Sangwhan re PR-1124 [2]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-10-50
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jacob follow up with Artem re PR-1220 [3]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-14-18
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jacob reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0094.html [4]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-20-46
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Scott create tests for assertions 11.3 and 13.4 [5]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-24-46
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow remove the empty assertion at the bottom of the touch-action CSS property table [6]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-28-11
16:42:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Scott submit a PR to address Maksim's comment in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0068.html [7]
16:42:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-pointerevents-irc#T15-37-16
16:42:38 <ArtB> ArtB has changed the topic to: Pointer Events Working Group