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<trackbot> Date: 29 July 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agneda+ ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness (move date).
<clown> scribenick: bgaraventa1979
take up next agendum
<clown> topic?
<clown> topic?
JS: Rich has uploaded the first mapping guide to github
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
JS: doc has the same structure
and contents as the core mapping guide, but role mapping it
lists the SVG elements
... it has links back to the core
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table#role-map-a
DB: link goes back to the start of the doc in FF and Safari
JS: Link does the same thing in FF
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#role-map-a
JS: open the first entery and it has a link that points back to the core
<clown> issue-651?
<trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651
JS: James N said aria-invalid needs more information for custom errors
<clown> issue-669?
<trackbot> issue-669 -- Need ability to differentiate and reference error messages on invalid form elements -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/669
JS: Rich wants to use
role=anotation
... from group discusssion yesterday, anotation isn't the same
thing as an error
... such as a note
... then errors will be treated the same as notes
... I didn't get the impression that everybody agreed on
note
... we left it open for more research, James N is going to look
into patterns, Rich will do the same for IBM
... Others will do the same for feedback
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
JS: I looked into the mapping
guide, and pointed out that we already have a default value for
invalid, such as aria-invalid="it's Matt's fault" and it maps
correctly in the accessibility tree, verified in Safari
... you could use this mapping technique to add custom values,
but there is a lot of resistance
<clown> issue-671?
<trackbot> issue-671 -- UAIG should expose aria-invalid as token values (as defined per spec), not strings. -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
JS: so James Craig raised the
relevant issue
... I proposed for UIA, instead of exposing the unknown value,
map it to false
... for Iaccessible2 and ATK, change to invalid:true as the
text attribute
... and for AXAPI: set axinvalid to true
... so I posed the question, what are those text attributes
DB: I agree with Marco
JS: Will wait on JD for more
input
... anything further?
<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
RS: so what would you do with aria-invalid on a slect?
<clown> <select aria-invalid="true" ...>
DB: not sure
RS: we need to figure out what is
done because there is no text attribute
... I can understand it for some fields that support the
attribute, but not on those that don't support a text
attribute
BG: is aria-invalid acceptable as being inheritable?
JS: no
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
RS: will file an issue against aria-invalid and mapping to widgets
JS: invalid is a state, not an object
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
<clown> Set IA2_STATE_INVALID_ENTRY
<clown> Expose the value as a text attribute
JS: you set the state, and expose
it as a text attribute
... changes in spec are pending David's
investigation
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1492 - Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [on David Bolter - due 2014-08-05].
JS: before we move on, I will not
be here for the next two weeks
... the 5th and 12th specifically, back for the 19th
... do you want to pospone meetings?
DB: that sounds good to wait till the 19th
DB: genrally discussing SVG mappings
RS: we need to work on the name computation, plus on other aspects further
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