IRC log of aapi on 2014-07-29

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RRSAgent, make logs member
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 29 July 2014
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WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
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+[GVoice]
18:59:33 [clown]
zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
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ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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agenda: this
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agenda+ News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github.
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agenda+ News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs.
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agenda+ News: ISSUE-649: (All) Aria property to indicate that widget starts media
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agneda+ ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness (move date).
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agenda+ Processing issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.
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agenda+ be done
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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agenda 4 = ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness (move date).
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agenda 5 = Processing issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
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agenda+ be done
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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+Bryan_Garaventa
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zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
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sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
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ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
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+David_Bolter
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scribenick: bgaraventa1979
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take up next agendum
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topic?
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zakim, topic?
19:14:37 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, clown.
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:15:13 [bgaraventa1979]
next agendum
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zakim, topic?
19:15:21 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, clown.
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topic?
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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zakim, next agenda
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agendum 2. "News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs." taken up [from clown]
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github." taken up [from clown]
19:16:49 [bgaraventa1979]
js Rich has uploaded the first mapping guide to github
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html
19:17:24 [davidb]
Zakim, aaa is David_Bolter
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sorry, davidb, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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Zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter
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s/js Rich/JS: Rich/
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
19:18:14 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: doc has the same structure and contents as the core mapping guide, but role mapping it lists the SVG elements
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JS: it has links back to the core
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table#role-map-a
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DB: link goes back to the start of the doc in Safari
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JS: Link does the same thing in FF
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#role-map-a
19:21:19 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: open the first entery and it has a link that points back to the core
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zakim, take up next agendum
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agendum 2. "News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs." taken up [from clown]
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issue-651?
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issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651
19:23:04 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: James N said aria-invalid needs more information for custom errors
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issue-669?
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issue-669 -- Need ability to differentiate and reference error messages on invalid form elements -- raised
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/669
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s/doc in Safari/doc in FF and Safari
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JS: Rich wants to use role=anotation
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JS: from group discusssion yesterday, anotation isn't the same thing as an error
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JS: such as a note
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JS: then errors will be treated the same as notes
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JS: I didn't get the impression that everybody agreed on note
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JS: we left it open for more research, James N is going to look into patterns, Rich will do the same for IBM
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JS: Others will do the same for feedback
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
19:28:47 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: I looked into the mapping guide, and pointed out that we already have a default value for invalid, such as aria-invalid="it's Matt's fault" and it maps correctly in the accessibility tree, verified in Safari
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JS: you could use this mapping technique to add custom values, but there is a lot of resistance
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issue-671?
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issue-671 -- UAIG should expose aria-invalid as token values (as defined per spec), not strings. -- raised
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
19:29:45 [clown]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
19:29:53 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: so James Craig raised the relevant issue
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JS: I proposed for UIA, instead of exposing the unknown value, map it to false
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JS: for Iaccessible2 and ATK, change to invalid:true as the text attribute
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JS: and for AXAPI: set axinvalid to true
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JS: so I posed the question, what are those text attributes
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DB: I agree with Marco
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:33:51 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: Will wait on JD for more input
19:35:13 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: anything further?
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
19:38:55 [bgaraventa1979]
RS: so what would you do with aria-invalid on a slect?
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<select aria-invalid="true" ...>
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DB: not sure
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RS: we need to figure out what is done because there is no text attribute
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RS: I can understand it for some fields that support the attribute, but not on those that don't support a text attribute
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BG: is aria-invalid acceptable as being inheritable?
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JS: no
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
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RS: will file an issue against aria-invalid and mapping to widgets
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JS: invalid is a state, not an object
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http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
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Set IA2_STATE_INVALID_ENTRY
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Expose the value as a text attribute
19:48:00 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: you set the state, and expose it as a text attribute
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JS: changes in spec are pending David's investigation
19:49:26 [richardschwerdtfeger]
action: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets
19:49:26 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1492 - Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [on David Bolter - due 2014-08-05].
19:51:53 [bgaraventa1979]
JS: before we move on, I will not be here for the next two weeks
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JS: the 5th and 12th specifically, back for the 19th
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JS: do you want to pospone meetings?
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DB: that sounds good to wait till the 19th
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Topic: SVG accessibility
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DB: genrally discussing SVG mappings
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RS: we need to work on the name computation, plus on other aspects further
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-David_Bolter
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minues', clown. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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zakim, please part
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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regrets: Cynthia_Shelley
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
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wai-xtech@w3.org
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RRSAgent, please part
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-irc#T19-49-26