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<trackbot> Date: 17 July 2014
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
thierry: Can we put a deadline for the F2F?
nigel: I've opened the questionnaire until 15th August.
thierry: Can we encourage everyone to attend and/or complete the registration form?
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planning/
Courtney: re the agenda, spending
a long time on the code/tests for the transforms is really
important so I'm glad it's on the agenda.
... I'm largely happy with the agenda as it stands.
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014
atai: We want to propose a mapping from a restricted TTML subset to WebVTT
glenn: One point of advice for
that mapping: The best approach is to map TTML document to an
ISD sequence, and then map the individual ISDs to VTT
cues.
... my plan is to include in TTML2 a formal definition of an
interchangeable form of a sequence of ISD documents. I'll
probably define a format: either a single XML document where
each child is an ISD document
... and maybe a second format that is a ZIPped sequence of ISDs
with a specific naming format to sequence them in the ZIP
file.
nigel: That's an interesting point because there's an alternative which is to create a cue per piece of text with a distinct lifetime, by semantic analysis of the document. I can see merits to both.
glenn: I may have some working code by the F2F to drive some discussion.
action-296?
<trackbot> action-296 -- Glenn Adams to Define default for @validationaction to be warn if @validation is optional; otherwise, default is abort -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/296
close action-296
<trackbot> Closed action-296.
action-302
<trackbot> action-302 -- Nigel Megitt to Re-review issue-313 -- due 2014-06-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/302
issue-313?
<trackbot> issue-313 -- Presented Region section is informative only -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313
close action-302
<trackbot> Closed action-302.
issue-313: An acceptable proposal would be to change the wording in §4.6.1 specifically to define the term "Presented region".
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-313 Presented Region section is informative only.
action-303?
<trackbot> action-303 -- Nigel Megitt to Add priority column to change proposal index -- due 2014-06-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/303
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex
nigel: I've added the priority
column - please could the owners of each change proposal now
review each and edit the index page to assign the appropriate
priority value.
... We can use this to choose which issues and changes to
tackle soonest.
close action-303
<trackbot> Closed action-303.
<scribe> ACTION: glenn Assign priorities to change proposals owned by glenn [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by glenn [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-07-24].
<scribe> ACTION: pal Assign priorities to change proposals owned by pal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by pal [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-07-24].
<scribe> ACTION: jdsmith Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-306 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith [on Jerry Smith - due 2014-07-24].
<scribe> ACTION: mdolan Assign priorities to change proposals owned by mdolan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by mdolan [on Mike Dolan - due 2014-07-24].
action-207?
<trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
glenn: I've implemented this
clarification.
... I've clarified the distinction between scalar and vector
component comparisons for border and padding. There was also a
comment about rounding up vs down.
... For extent and lineHeight we round up so I added a comment
on extent that explains the rationale for this.
nigel: Looks good to me.
pal: I'll take a look.
action-258?
<trackbot> action-258 -- Glenn Adams to Work with pal to resolve edits needed for issue-259 comments -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258
glenn: this is related to action-207.
issue-263?
<trackbot> issue-263 -- profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263
glenn: I think we're looking for Mike's review of this.
issue-316?
<trackbot> issue-316 -- Wording of 5.2 doesn't make sense -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/316
close issue-316
<trackbot> Closed issue-316.
issue-309?
<trackbot> issue-309 -- Image profile needs to permit text equivalent -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309
nigel: We met the accessibility folk on Monday. The feeling is that as long as there's availability of a text equivalent and a method to find it then the WCAG requirement is met.
pal: Reviewing the changes I've made:
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html
scribe: in §3.1 the text is
clarified to say that distributors should provide a text form
of image data that the system can find automatically.
... in §4.5.4 there's an altText attribute to allow a text
string to be added.
nigel: The normative text doesn't mention accessibility - shouldn't it?
pal: The harm for IMSC to say MAY
have accessibility is we don't want accessibility /only/ to be
in the alt text because it's better to have a complete
alternate text profile document.
... Of course there's no prohibition on usage of altText but
it's not at all a recommendation.
glenn: defining the contents as #PCDATA is appropriate for an element that can contain text.
atai: This section says "{any attribute not in the IMSC 1.0 Metadata namespace}" which would allow any attribute in TTML 1 namespace, which doesn't seem right.
glenn: That's correct - the table near the top of TTML defines all the tt namespaces that should not be permitted here.
pal: I'll change it to "any
attribute not in the default namespace or in the TT namespace
or in the IMSC 1.0 namespace"
... John Birch provided some text re WCAG so I've moved that to
Annex C.
nigel: The term "application" has been used in various places normatively so I think it needs to be defined.
pal: Or I could remove it.
nigel: Either way - but
application is used in several places now.
... I wonder if we should say "In order to meet the guidelines
of [WCAG20] the following considerations apply:"
pal: I like that.
... I'll create an issue prior to committing those
changes.
... I've added in Annex D.5 the #altText extension designator
is defined.
nigel: I think the #altText extension needs to be added to §6.4.
pal: I'll add that.
glenn: I just added a new issue for IMSC - issue-326.
issue-317?
<trackbot> issue-317 -- IMSC should not require frame alignment -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317
pal: I've added a note that
hopefully captures the use case.
... in §4.4
nigel: We're close on this one
but I need to come back with some proposals for edits.
... adjourns meeting
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