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<trackbot> Date: 24 June 2014
<clown> agenda: this
discoed
<scribe> scribenick: joanie
JS: Quick reminder that there is no meeting next week. (The 1st; not the 30th)
<clown> issue-427?
<trackbot> issue-427 -- Need a way for application to find out what role has been applied to or computed for an element -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
JS: We discussed this at
yesterday's meeting.
... We touched on this last week as well as part of the talk
about automated testing.
... It would be nice to have access to the accessibility layer
like computed role.
... This would be done via javascript.
... James Craig pointed out yesterday that we need to get
buy-in for all browser vendors.
... Michael assigned a task to me to raise the subject with the
accessibility API people, or really the browser vendors.
... For them to go back to their teams to get buy-in.
BG: What kind of scenario would be different from what AT tools already do?
JS: For example, they want to add
<clown> element.computedRole();
JS: (for above example) You can
call this and it will return what the browser thinks the role
is.
... This would probably be a developer-readable string.
... So you could do the markup for the role you want
... And then do this to see if you got it right.
... All of this would be read-only.
... Same with other items like accessible name.
BG: Right, but you cannot access this via javascript currently.
JS: This would work with automated testing tools without having to open an accessibility explorer or other such tool.
<clown> action-1462?
<trackbot> action-1462 -- Christopher Gallello to Discuss computed role with ie team -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462
JS: Chris from Microsoft was
given an action item yesterday.
... Dominic from Google got a similar action wrt the Blink
team.
CS: I will look into it as well.
ugh
<clown> issue-654?
<trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/654
JS: It turns out that Firefox has
recently added 2 new events.
... Description-changed and name-changed events.
<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=991969
JD: But name-changed has been around awhile for ATK
JS: Ah, so it's for description-changes.
BG: This was impacting tooltips.
JS: There's a lot of discussion
in the bug between Alex and James Teh.
... What I'd like to do is.... (To Cynthia) is IE going to do
this.
CS: I've heard of it and can ask.
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate IE support of accessilbe name and/or description changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/24-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1468 - Investigate ie support of accessilbe name and/or description changes. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-07-01].
<clown> action-1468?
<trackbot> action-1468 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate ie support of accessilbe name and/or description changes. -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1468
JS: What I would like to do, if
this works the same in all browsers, is to add something to the
mapping document, the events section, to indicate these events
are fired.
... I'll have to get something from Apple too.
JS: This is something we started at the end of last meeting, but Bryan got cut off.
BG: I actually did follow up with
that via email.
... The markup is correct.
... It looks like an IE bug.
CS: It's not specific to active
descendant.
... It's a good one to have in our public issue tracker.
JS: Is there anything that impacts the mapping guide?
CS: It depends on how they want to fix the bug. They might have feedback on the spec, though.
JS: OK, we'll wait until something comes up.
BG: Fine with me.
JS: This one has to do with described by.
<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=991969
<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0036.html
JS: The related email is above. (Reads from email)
BG: I went back and forth with
Steve Faulker on this.
... It's related to the tab index and what shows up in the
accessibility tree.
... It seems like an IE bug.
CS: It is definitely a
difference. Not sure if it's a bug or a quirk, but we should
talk about it.
... This has already been reported.
JS: As with active descendant, there's no impact on the mapping until something happens here.
CS: Correct, if they ask for a change in the spec. But I don't see any (impact) right now.
JS: I like to see interoperability where possible.
<clown> action-1115?
<trackbot> action-1115 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Find reference in MSAA spec that says you can't put anything in the role property except roles that are defined by the MSAA spec -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
JS: This is now my action.
Cynthia did the heavy lifting.
... I was looking at this yesterday and have a question.
... I have to find the section of the document where to put
this.
... There is a rule with respect to the MSAA spec that says if
you have a role that is not one of the predefined roles, you
are not supposed to put a string in the role property.
... This was filed a long time ago.
... I think I know where in the spec this goes.
... And want to confirm with you.
<clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/#mapping_role
JS: I think it goes in the above,
in section 5.4
... The fifth item in the numbered list (reads from it)
... I guess under the MSAA bullet, I would put the reference to
this.
CS: Yes. I think the biggest
impact... Firefox does this. I think they have moved largely
over to IA2.
... It's important to make David aware of this.
... As he was concerned about this.
JS: I will talk to David about
this.
... I remember going back and forth about this. But I think
they are almost ready to do this.
... I'll make the edit by our next meeting which will be on 8
July.
<clown> action-1372?
<trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-06-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
CS: I will try to have this done next week.
<clown> action-1373>
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-06-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
CS: I will try to have this done next week as well.
<clown> action-1409?
<trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position, level, and other api be added (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due 2014-06-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
JD: I talked to Alex PiƱeiro and
he states that this realistically will not happen any time
soon. But he is aware of it and plans to move forward with it
when time permits.
... I'll try to discuss this at GUADEC.
... So let's shoot for whatever meeting we have after 1
August.
Group consensus: We will leave early.
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