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<scribe> Scribe: Art
<smaug> and unstable
AB: since I submitted the draft
agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0063.html,
a couple of topics appear to be have resolved themselves and
thus we can drop them.
... any objections to dropping the "high-frequency mouse/touch"
topic as proposed by Rick?
[ None ]
AB: any objections to dropping Bug 25758 (change width and height to double) as proposed by Jacob?
JR: I think we should talk about that bug
AB: ok
... during the AoB section I would like to briefly confirm the
group's Plan of Record (PoR) aka The End Game. Any objections
to that?
[ None ]
AB: during the AoB section, I would like to add a short process-related topic on the use of HG by the Touch Events CG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.html. Any objections to adding that?
JR: no, that's ok
… want to add something else about a potential f2f meeting
AB: ok, we'll add that too
... any other change requests?
AB: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0053.html.
Discussion
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0051.html.
RB: I think JR just wanted to see if anyone had any comments
JR: I thought adding tilt would be good but don't think so now
… we could always take that up later if needed
… I am talking to send some pen based companies
RB: you missed one thing on the constructor
<jrossi> ACTION: jacob to update pointerInit constructor [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Update pointerinit constructor [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10].
AB: First up is PR 324 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/324/,
f.ex. the status and merging. I think there is a proposal to
merge now and then "pick up the pieces". Basically, what is the
plan to complete the test suite.
... then how to handle additional PRs; who is going to do what;
...
JR: can we get consensus to merge PR324?
… then we can stage additional tests
… can't really work on other PRs until 324 is merged
… I would prefer to land 324
AV: all of the feedback is now on the PR
… feedback has been addressed
… we have other PRs but they depend on 324 thus it is now critical path for other work
… There are some other test cases that require 324 to land
… We can address any issues with 324 as new PRs
AB: anyone object to merging 324 as is?
RB: sounds good to me
<asir> Thank you Rick!
AB: ok, then we have a resolution
RESOLUTION: group agrees to merge PR324 as is
AV: please submit other PRs as soon as possible
JR: we have 2 more
AV: I think it's more like 3-4
JR: but they are smaller than 324
… think Scott wants to combine some tests
SG: there are TTWF tests
… need to look for overlaps
… so we don't get dups
… Might want fewer test files
JR: need a queue/list of things we need to test
… think we are mostly done
… only a few more things to test
AV: Scott, what are you going to contribute?
AB: perhaps Scott can reply to the list
<scribe> ACTION: Scott send a todo list re testing that needs to be done [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Send a todo list re testing that needs to be done [on Scott González - due 2014-06-10].
SG: yes, that's fine. I need to talk to DaveM.
AB: sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: Jacob run the merge for PR324 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Run the merge for pr324 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10].
AV: the other tests pending are mostly touch-action related
AB: excellent
AV: is anyone else planning to submit tests?
AB: not me
CC: no
RB: no, although I'll review the touch-action tests
… I assume they will cover what we want
AV: we used your prior input Rick when we created the tests
RB: great
AB: can we please do a quick round robin re the status of Chrome, Firefox, IE, Opera
RB: we have been reaching out to web sites
… expect touch-action on for chrome 36
JR: I need to do some more reach out
RB: nice to see this cooperation on touch-action
<rbyers> :-)
<rbyers> go ahead without me, be back shortly
OP: some patches are landing
… original plan was Metro but plan now is Android and other platforms
… not sure how many releases before PE is enabled
… we do have most of the code landed
JR: not much new to report; we have some bugs but they are minor
… I don't think we have any bugs that cause interop probs
RB: re touch-action hit testing and matching Blink with IE
… I have gotten some pushback re complexibility
… there is a relevant non-norm note in the spec
… Is anyone else interested in precices hit testing text in the spec?
… The hit test is done on the bound of the element
… If inline and exceeds bounds of its parent
[ JR reads the specific text ]
JR: I think we have some test cases for that
… I don't think this is going to be a big interop issue
RB: perhaps we should change note to MAY?
… elsewhere we say hit testing is out of scope
JR: true; perhaps it isn't needed
… I don't like using 2119 words in Notes
RB: Elliott and Adam convinced me we should change our impl
… we're doing two hit tests now and want to do as few hit tests as possible
JR: are you replicating hit testing off thread?
RB: it's off thread now
… for compat need sites to opt in
… all hit testing is main thread
[ some details of IE and Blink hit testing missing ]
JR: I'm ok with removing that note
AB: I don't have anything to add
OP: I don't recall what Gecko does here
AB: so, create an Action for Jacob to remove the note; anyone that objects can do so on the list
<rbyers> Context from blink side here: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/input-dev/En4Jr3ZunRw
<rbyers> A couple minor corrections: we currently do touch-action hit testing only main thread (and would like to collapse this special touch-action hit test into the normal one we're already doing).
<scribe> ACTION: jacob remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per agreement on 2-June-2014 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Remove the hit testing note (bounding box) per agreement on 2-june-2014 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-06-10].
<rbyers> we do other hit-testing off-thread, but fall back to main thread if we can't be sure
AB: just wanted to reiterate our
plan to get Pointer Events spec to Recommendation. The basic
plan we previously agreed is:
... Complete test suite;
... Do the interop testing; (if necessary, fix bugs and
repeat)
... Create Implementation Report (IR)
... After we have 2 more implementations that pass each test,
publish a Last Call WD with a link to the test suite and IR;
include a clear note that in the absence of any major issues
raised during the 3-week LC comment period, since we already
have proven interoperability, we intend to skip Candidate
Recommendation and the next publication will be Proposed
Recommendation
JR: sounds right to me
AV: yes, sounds right
<smaug> sounds ok
<rbyers> sounds good
<Cathy> sounds good
AV: when is the right time to update references?
AB: which references are you concerned about?
AV: HTML spec is one
… need to update a few
AB: we should update refs right before LC
… I think we're going to be ok
AB: I believe everyone in the
Touch Events CG should now have write access to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents.
As such, I will reply to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-touchevents/2014Jun/0000.html
the issue is resolved.
... did anyone else try?
JR: I didn't
RB: MikeSmith gave permissions to everyone in the CG
JR: Rick and I have been talking about some various problems
… not necessarily touch or pointer events specific
… We are planing to get together
… where we is Blink and IE
… we are meeting for some brain storming on June 23
<smaug> Yes, please ask mbrubeck__ to join the meeting
… expect that any proposals would be brought back to the appropriate group
<rbyers> Brainstorming notes here: https://docs.google.com/a/chromium.org/document/d/1C6P3Mhza1jdMJyP9G6fr7n7zcXrCmwih1o2xohFVEhc/edit
RB: this doc includes potential topics
… people should feel free to add topics
… interested in priorities and other items
… Sorry this is last minute
… Some of us are going to be in CA that week so we are going to go to Seattle to meet with Jacob and his team
AB: it's good to meet
… have you thought about announcing the meeting
RB: we just agreed to meet yesterday
… we can announce on the lists and ask people to contact us if they want to join
AB: please do announce
… Matt might be able to join since he lives in Seattle
JR: we might be able to use this meeting to help us understand what we want to do with respect to formal standardization
RB: we have a lot of items for potential work and need to discuss priorities
AB: ok, thanks the headsup
… can I get one of you to agree to send some hightlights and summary to the PEWG and TECG lists?
RB: yes, I'll do that
<jrossi> FYI - I've removed the touch-action hit testing note: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/5b06a2e374b7
<scribe> ACTION: rick send summary/highlights of Seattle meeting to the PEWG and TECG lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Send summary/highlights of seattle meeting to the pewg and tecg lists [on Rick Byers - due 2014-06-10].
AB: no call on June 10
... please continue to address open actions, open bugs,
etc.
... anything else?
... meeting adjourned
JR: one bug I fixed 24923 yesterday - please review and submit feedback
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