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<trackbot> Date: 15 May 2014
<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh
fjh: I'll scribe today
Update to 'Network Information API' to shelve - published 10 April
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0013.html
Implementation Status wiki updated, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0003.html
Non-normative editor draft updates to fix test suite links and other minor updates
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0035.html
fjh: Media Capture and Streams progressing in TF, likely to go to LC soon so if interested look at it
Approve minutes from 27 March 2014
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/att-0024/minutes-2014-03-27.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 27 March 2014 are approved
proposal to change Security & Privacy considerations to non-normative.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0008.html (Frederick)
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send CfC to update HTML Media Capture with proposal for security/privacy consideration, 1 week CfC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-689 - Send cfc to update html media capture with proposal for security/privacy consideration, 1 week cfc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
Minor battery update to make security/privacy section non-normative (done)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0009.html
fjh: did not address Network Service DIscovery security/privacy regarding non-normative, anticipate other priorities for that work
fjh: posted summary of some thoughts about NSD direction http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0021.html
One case is Web & TV, we need detail on the actual use cases and requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0019.html
Another discussion is pushing content to local network devices as simpler than pulling, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0027.html
Mark Vickers notes that abstraction is used for window.print and also 2nd screen cases ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0025.html )
richt: if we find a simpler
approach might get away for existing devices and services
... working on named web sockets, can get bidirectional
connections, very simple
… advertisement and discovery is simple , does not use UPnP
… however we also want UPnP and zeroconf
cathy: agree we need to go back to use cases and define problem
… need to get broader discussion
fjh: we might want to reconsider the very high implementation bar, which targets a very specific community of browser implementers
… yet might want adoption earlier via browser extensions etc
… should consider Jean Claude implementation but possibly premature before we review use cases
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/2014Apr/0033.html
fjh: did we every reply to Youenn, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Apr/0022.html
… a reply is warrented
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to reply to Youenn re use cases etc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-690 - Reply to youenn re use cases etc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
fjh: issues list is all about network service discovery
fjh: a number of issues such as
search by device type might be resolved by use case
reveiw
... one of these is fixed for promises
close ISSUE-158
<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-158.
fjh: please all work on documenting and discussing use cases on list
<richt> Original requirements: http://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/
richt: we should revisit this as well
fjh: following webapps approach
to testing
... we need wg volunteers to review and approve pull
requests
cathy: ok for me
anssik: ok as well
fjh: how do we, for HTML media capture, close or change the pull request
anssik: can close them or ask submitter to change
fjh: going with the change is best
cathy: dom can do anything, close etc
anssik: web test model not documented but assumes git
fjh: anssik do you have any next steps
ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
anssik: working on implementations, e.g. ambient light, so should have additional implementation on chromium, can move interop on that spec forward
for battery google/chromium may want some changes to this spec, so may need to defer testing
… mozilla has confirmed
… ok with change, need to update test suite, then publish another LC, CR is 2 years old
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to make CfC to update Battery and do another LC per suggested changes from google [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-691 - Make cfc to update battery and do another lc per suggested changes from google [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
fjh: do we have a proposal on the list
anssik: we have one, but it is not complete
<anssik> ok to send a CfC for proposed changes to the spec
<anssik> then, land changes to the spec, assuming no concerns
<anssik> pub LC, then another CR + update the test suite
anssik: get more implementer feedback on ambient light, another implementation will be Chromium
… vibration - we have 2 implementations, chrome/Firefox so could pass interop now with complete test suite
… need to check test suite for completeness
… html media capture, have 2 implementations, landed in WebKit, not sure shipping in product , has been in Chrome for a year
<anssik> https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus
… updated implementation status wiki to reflect on this
<mats> tizen has some form of media capture (webkit based), fwiw
… for battery there is proposed change + need to get Chromium implementation to complete interop
html media capture - need security/privacy change, have two implementations
ambient light - have one implementation, chromium implementation almost done, so should have interop completed soon
anssik: firefox implemented device light events, exposing lux value. Light level event exposes human readable range
… thus only part implemented
… chromium also only implemented device light events
… question of whether to remove light level event interface, might drop from spec, if so have two implementations and test suite from marcos
fjh: don't remember who brought that feature in, but does not seem to have support
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send CfC to remove light level event from ambient light, return to LC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-692 - Send cfc to remove light level event from ambient light, return to lc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
anssik: browser vendors prefer to have single interface
… reason for two was to avoid more events
… sending CfC ok now, since that feature is behind a flag and can still work on interop in parallel
proximity - feature in firefox, chromium intent to implement but not much progress, concern over use cases
anssik: idea was that you can effectivly obtain proximity using ambient light API
vibration - in both chromium and firefox, minor change to spec, so firefox implementation will need an update (or confirmation that it is up to date)
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to send message to confirm firefox status and plans to update for vibration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Send message to confirm firefox status and plans to update for vibration [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
<Cathy> Thanks anssik for the excellent summary!
<anssik> http://status.modern.ie/
anssik: IE team is also interested in some of these specs
… ambient light and battery status
… also vibration
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to check on how to communicate with IE team re DAP and feedback and ask about their plans if any to join DAP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-694 - Check on how to communicate with ie team re dap and feedback and ask about their plans if any to join dap [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
Microsoft is member of DAP
close ACTION-694
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-694.
<scribe> ACTION: fjh to check with Microsoft DAP members regarding plans for implementation and interop participation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-dap-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-695 - Check with microsoft dap members regarding plans for implementation and interop participation [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-05-22].
Thanks Anssi for overview and work on testing/interop
cathy: submitted some comment on html media capture pull request
… are you continuing to improve test suite
anssik: should talk to Zhiqiang Zhang
… in github or with direct mail cc'ing list
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0007.html
fjh: volunteers requested for review of this specification
LisaDeLuca_IBM: Web and Mobile Interest Group have been talking about Cordova alignment
anssik: I looked at gaps, Cordova implemented early versions
LisaDeLuca_IBM: we need specific details of what needs to be changed, then can expect developers to edit
anssik: can diff WebIDL
… can also start with test suite, to see what fails
fjh: if people want to help should they check out the interest group
lisa: or send email to me
Next call 29 May, in two weeks
open actions
ACTION-523?
<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523
ACTION-682?
<trackbot> ACTION-682 -- Frederick Hirsch to Follow up on how to approve pull requests and to identify correct reviewers, remove inappropriate critics etc -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/682
fjh: we discussed on this call, can close
close ACTION-682
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-682.
ACTION-685?
<trackbot> ACTION-685 -- Frederick Hirsch to Review priorities of cordova alignment -- due 2014-03-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/685
fjh: alignment being discussed in Web and Mobile Interest Group
close ACTION-685
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-685.
<scribe> pending actions
close ACTION-683
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-683.
ACTION-683?
<trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Frederick Hirsch to Draft proposal for conformance and testing related to security and privacy -- due 2014-03-27 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/683
ACTION-686?
<trackbot> ACTION-686 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to React on testing html media capture privacy & security considerations -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/686
close ACTION-686
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-686.
ACTION-687?
<trackbot> ACTION-687 -- Frederick Hirsch to Make request to web and tv interest group re network service discovery -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/687
close ACTION-687
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-687.
ACTION-688?
<trackbot> ACTION-688 -- Frederick Hirsch to Contact implementers re network service discovery directly -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/688
close ACTION-688
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-688.
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