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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

17 Apr 2014

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Attendees

Present
glenn, plh, tmichel, glenn, jdsmith, nigel
Regrets
Chair
nigel
Scribe
plh

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 17 April 2014

TPAC 2014

<nigel> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TPAC2014Planning/results

Nigel: survey is still open
... we have yes and prefer on Monday
... looks like we're looking at Monday and Friday at themoment
... Glenn would prefer not Monday

Glenn: any tentative schedule yet?

plh: not yet
... HTML and WebApps will likely be usual

NigeL: Timed Text CG would be nice to meet with
... didn't talk with David yet

Plh: we don't provide space for CGs to meet during TPAC

Nigel: we should invite them to join one of our sessions then

plh: sounds reasonable

Nigel: for agenda items: TTML 2
... survey is open until next week

IMSC progress

Pierre: my primary activity was to update the editors draft
... now referencing TTML 1
... name is ISMC 1.0 now
... Id like this group to consider FPWD now
... also some comments from John Birch
... I don't think the comments were against publication. hard to find specific requested changes.
... so didn't detect anything that were incompatible with FPWD

Nigel: correct, FPWD doesn't imply endorsement. I read John's email as proposing to help with editing

Pierre: I'd be glad to get more specific comments

Nigel: I sent some pubrules changes

Pierre: wasn't sure if those were proposed or final

Nigel: fair enough to get it out there
... any objection to FPWD?

Resolved: IMSC 1.0 to be published as FPWD

Nigel: ok, let's get this decision to the list, give the 10 days, target publication: May 1

Pierre: ok, I'll get everything in order for then

<tmichel> ok give me the latest url so I start checking the document

<pal_> @tmichel: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/52e24aaec29b/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html

trackbot, list users

<trackbot> Sorry, plh, I don't understand 'trackbot, list users'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

<tmichel> I will take a look at it and will gone back to you next week

<pal_> @tmichel: thanks!

ttml-ww-profiles

imsc, ttml-imsc, t-imsc?

tt-imsc?

<tmichel> ttml-imsc

objection to ttml-imsc?

ttml-imsc1

<glenn> ttml1-imsc

<glenn> ttml2-imsc

<pal_> ttml1-imsc1?

Resolved to use ttml-imsc1

<tmichel> ok

<tmichel> so publication date should be first week of may ?

plh: how about adding the subject header in the status

<glenn> suggest headers use [IMSC] if not version specific or [IMSC1]/[IMSC2] otherwise

Resolved: use [ttml-imsc1] in the subject header of emails for comments

<tmichel> I will let you know what to add exactly

<tmichel> you acn add it into the "mailto"

Glenn: would prefer [imsc]

Pierre: +1

Resolved (again) : use [imsc] in the subject header of emails for comments

Nigel: can we do the same for ttml2 then?

Glenn: I would use [ttml], folks can add a version number if it's specific

<scribe> ACTION: Pierre to add [imsc] subject header in the IMSC draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Add [imsc] subject header in the imsc draft [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-04-24].

<scribe> ACTION: Glenn to use [ttml] in the subject header in TTML drafts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - Use [ttml] in the subject header in ttml drafts [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-04-24].

Actions

action-215?

<trackbot> action-215 -- Glenn Adams to Specify special semantics for tts:{extent, origin} on content elements to map to new inline region feature -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/215

Nigel: this is related to issue 176

issue-176?

<trackbot> issue-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176

Glenn: didn't get comments
... I suggest to close them
... we have an editorial note for inline regions but that's independent

Nigel: not obvious they shouldn't be independent.

<nigel> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#layout-attribute-region

close issue-176

<trackbot> Closed issue-176.

close action-215

<trackbot> Closed action-215.

action-278?

<trackbot> action-278 -- Glenn Adams to Add ednote to 9.3.2 with reminder to deal with case of having multiple inline regions possibly with additional reference to out-of-line region -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/278

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b78e2a0db0b1

close action-278

<trackbot> Closed action-278.

action items overdue

action-274?

<trackbot> action-274 -- Nigel Megitt to Discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding ttwg to tpac agenda. -- due 2014-03-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/274

Nigel: we're looking at going ahead with the f2f
... we can have an additional f2f before that time
... Daivd favors it
... I can host it in London

plh: timeframe?

<tmichel> Pierre, here is what should should add in SOTD section

<tmichel> <p>

<tmichel> This document was published by the <a href="http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/">Timed Text Working Group</a> as a First Public Working Draft.

<tmichel> If you wish to make comments regarding this document, please send them to

<tmichel> <a href="mailto:public-tt@w3.org?subject=%5BWD%20Comment%20imsc%5D">">public-tt@w3.org</a>

<tmichel> (<a href="mailto:public-tt-request@w3.org?subject=subscribe">subscribe</a>,

<tmichel> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/">archives</a>).

Nigel: unclear at the moment

<tmichel> Use "[WD comment imsc]" in the subject line of your email. All comments are welcome.

<tmichel> </p>

Nigel: September?

Pierre: in that month, there is a SMPTE meeting, IVC
... we would have to go around those events
... s/IBC/IBC/

Nigel: IBC is September 10 to 15 or 16

<pal_> http://www.ibc.org/

Pierre: SMPTE is just after

Nigel: so IBC runs from 11 to 16

<nigel> http://www.ibc.org/page.cfm/Action=VCalendarIndex/CalendarID=3/t=m

Pierre: SMPTE is probably September 17 to 21
... in Geneva

Nigel: IBC is in AMsterdam

NigeL; squeezing in between would fail

Pierre: first day of SMPTE is flexible

Glenn: how about 16-17?

<scribe> ACTION: Nigel to talk to Frans about hosting a meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-281 - Talk to franz about hosting a meeting [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-04-24].

Nigel: will continue to talk to David as well

Pierre: what would the goal be?
... brainstorm first then solve remaining issues at the meeting?

Nigel: goal is to have both groups, looking at the concepts of both format
... might go throught the logical concept first

Pierre: so, sounds like brainstorming

<nigel> scribeNick: plh

<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1-api/Overview.html

plh: btw, HTML wg talked about datacue last week

Jerry: should ttmlcue be in ttml spec?

Glenn: I started to work on it in November. would probably need a refresh

Plh: we ought to make sure on our mapping with HTML5 prior to the september meeting

Jerry: what's the timeline for the API?

Glenn: I'd like the TTML1 API to be published

plh: differences between ttml 1 and 2 api?

Glenn: ttml1 is raw. for 2, I'd like to include more of the mapping

AOB

issue-304?

<trackbot> issue-304 -- Non-standard unqualified attributes not permitted -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/304

Glenn: we also made progress on the TTML validator at w3c

<glenn> http://validator-test.w3.org/ttml

Glenn: that's the TTV tool
... it's in beta
... but folks can start playing with it

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Glenn to use [ttml] in the subject header in TTML drafts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Nigel to talk to Frans about hosting a meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Pierre to add [imsc] subject header in the IMSC draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]
 
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