IRC log of tt on 2014-04-17

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 17 April 2014

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+glenn

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+Plh

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+??P24

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zakim, ??P24 is me

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+nigel; got it

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chair: nigel

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+[Microsoft]

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+??P6

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zakim,??P6 is me

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+tmichel; got it

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topic: TPAC 2014

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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TPAC2014Planning/results

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Nigel: survey is still open

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... we have yes and prefer on Monday

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... looks like we're looking at Monday and Friday at themoment

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... Glenn would prefer not Monday

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Glenn: any tentative schedule yet?

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plh: not yet

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... HTML and WebApps will likely be usual

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NigeL: Timed Text CG would be nice to meet with

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... didn't talk with David yet

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Plh: we don't provide space for CGs to meet during TPAC

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Nigel: we should invite them to join one of our sessions then

14:12:46 [plh]

plh: sounds reasonable

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Nigel: for agenda items: TTML 2

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... survey is open until next week

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topic: IMSC progress

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Topic: IMSC Progress

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Pierre: my primary activity was to update the editors draft

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... now referencing TTML 1

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... name is ISMC 1.0 now

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... Id like this group to consider FPWD now

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... also some comments from John Birch

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... I don't think the comments were against publication. hard to find specific requested changes.

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... so didn't detect anything that were incompatible with FPWD

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Nigel: correct, FPWD doesn't imply endorsement. I read John's email as proposing to help with editing

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Pierre: I'd be glad to get more specific comments

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Nigel: I sent some pubrules changes

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Pierre: wasn't sure if those were proposed or final

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Nigel: fair enough to get it out there

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... any objection to FPWD?

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Resolved: IMSC 1.0 to be published as FPWD

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Nigel: ok, let's get this decision to the list, give the 10 days, target publication: May 1

14:20:31 [plh]

Pierre: ok, I'll get everything in order for then

14:20:53 [tmichel]

ok give me the latest url so I start checking the document

14:21:18 [pal_]

@tmichel: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/52e24aaec29b/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html

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trackbot, list users

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Sorry, plh, I don't understand 'trackbot, list users'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

14:21:42 [tmichel]

I will take a look at it and will gone back to you next week

14:22:38 [pal_]

@tmichel: thanks!

14:23:03 [plh]

ttml-ww-profiles

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imsc, ttml-imsc, t-imsc?

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tt-imsc?

14:24:09 [tmichel]

ttml-imsc

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objection to ttml-imsc?

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ttml-imsc1

14:25:35 [glenn]

ttml1-imsc

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ttml2-imsc

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ttml1-imsc1?

14:26:31 [plh]

Resolved to use ttml-imsc1

14:26:35 [tmichel]

ok

14:27:27 [tmichel]

so publication date should be first week of may ?

14:29:43 [plh]

plh: how about adding the subject header in the status

14:30:07 [glenn]

suggest headers use [IMSC] if not version specific or [IMSC1]/[IMSC2] otherwise

14:30:17 [plh]

Resolved: use [ttml-imsc1] in the subject header of emails for comments

14:30:19 [tmichel]

I will let you know what to add exactly

14:31:10 [tmichel]

you acn add it into the "mailto"

14:31:23 [plh]

Glenn: would prefer [imsc]

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Pierre: +1

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Resolved (again) : use [imsc] in the subject header of emails for comments

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Nigel: can we do the same for ttml2 then?

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Glenn: I would use [ttml], folks can add a version number if it's specific

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ACTION: Pierre to add [imsc] subject header in the IMSC draft

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Created ACTION-279 - Add [imsc] subject header in the imsc draft [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-04-24].

14:34:36 [plh]

ACTION: Glenn to use [ttml] in the subject header in TTML drafts

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Created ACTION-280 - Use [ttml] in the subject header in ttml drafts [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-04-24].

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Topic: Actions

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action-215?

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action-215 -- Glenn Adams to Specify special semantics for tts:{extent, origin} on content elements to map to new inline region feature -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/215

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Nigel: this is related to issue 176

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issue-176?

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issue-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- pending review

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176

14:36:47 [plh]

Glenn: didn't get comments

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... I suggest to close them

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... we have an editorial note for inline regions but that's independent

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Nigel: not obvious they shouldn't be independent.

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https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#layout-attribute-region

14:40:05 [plh]

close issue-176

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Closed issue-176.

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close action-215

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Closed action-215.

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action-278?

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action-278 -- Glenn Adams to Add ednote to 9.3.2 with reminder to deal with case of having multiple inline regions possibly with additional reference to out-of-line region -- due 2014-04-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/278

14:40:30 [plh]

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b78e2a0db0b1

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close action-278

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Closed action-278.

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Topic: action items overdue

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action-274?

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action-274 -- Nigel Megitt to Discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding ttwg to tpac agenda. -- due 2014-03-27 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/274

14:42:01 [plh]

Nigel: we're looking at going ahead with the f2f

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... we can have an additional f2f before that time

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... Daivd favors it

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... I can host it in London

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plh: timeframe?

14:43:11 [tmichel]

Pierre, here is what should should add in SOTD section

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<p>

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This document was published by the <a href="http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/">Timed Text Working Group</a> as a First Public Working Draft.

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If you wish to make comments regarding this document, please send them to

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<a href="mailto:public-tt@w3.org?subject=%5BWD%20Comment%20imsc%5D">">public-tt@w3.org</a>

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(<a href="mailto:public-tt-request@w3.org?subject=subscribe">subscribe</a>,

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<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/">archives</a>).

14:43:18 [plh]

Nigel: unclear at the moment

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Use "[WD comment imsc]" in the subject line of your email. All comments are welcome.

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</p>

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Nigel: September?

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Pierre: in that month, there is a SMPTE meeting, IVC

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... we would have to go around those events

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... s/IVC/IBC/

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s/IVC/IBC/

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Nigel: IVC is September 10 to 15 or 16

14:45:40 [pal_]

http://www.ibc.org/

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s/IVC/IBC/

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Pierre: SMPTE is just after

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Nigel: so IBC runs from 11 to 16

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http://www.ibc.org/page.cfm/Action=VCalendarIndex/CalendarID=3/t=m

14:48:31 [plh]

Pierre: SMPTE is probably September 17 to 21

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... in Geneva

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Nigel: IBC is in AMsterdam

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NigeL; squeezing in between would fail

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Pierre: first day of SMPTE is flexible

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Glenn: how about 16-17?

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ACTION: Nigel to talk to Franz about hosting a meeting

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Created ACTION-281 - Talk to franz about hosting a meeting [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-04-24].

14:51:32 [nigel]

s/Franz/Frans

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Nigel: will continue to talk to David as well

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Pierre: what would the goal be?

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... brainstorm first then solve remaining issues at the meeting?

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Nigel: goal is to have both groups, looking at the concepts of both format

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... might go throught the logical concept first

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Pierre: so, sounds like brainstorming

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Present: glenn, plh, tmichel, glenn, jdsmith, nigel

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scribeNick: plh

14:56:26 [glenn]

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1-api/Overview.html

14:57:08 [plh]

plh: btw, HTML wg talked about datacue last week

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Jerry: should ttmlcue be in ttml spec?

14:58:06 [plh]

Glenn: I started to work on it in November. would probably need a refresh

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Plh: we ought to make sure on our mapping with HTML5 prior to the september meeting

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Jerry: what's the timeline for the API?

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Glenn: I'd like to the TTML1 API to be published

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s/to the/the/

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plh: differences between ttml 1 and 2 api?

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Glenn: ttml1 is raw. for 2, I'd like to include more of the mapping

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Topic: AOB

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issue-304?

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issue-304 -- Non-standard unqualified attributes not permitted -- open

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/304

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Glenn: we also made progress on the TTML validator at w3c

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http://validator-test.w3.org/ttml

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... that's the TTV tool

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... it's in beta

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... but folks can start playing with it

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[adjourned]

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-pal

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-[Microsoft]

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-nigel

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-Plh

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-tmichel

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-glenn

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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were glenn, Plh, nigel, [Microsoft], tmichel, pal

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/17-tt-minutes.html plh

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