Forms Working Group Teleconference

16 Apr 2014


See also: IRC log


Steven_, [IPcaller], ebruchez, Alain
Nick, Uli, Philip


<trackbot> Date: 16 April 2014

Announcements etc

Coming calls (Steven away for two weeks)

Steven: Let us have a break for two weeks. So next call will be May 7.

Event-type changes




Steven: Are we OK with the error codes not being backwards compatible?
... the other option is to keep error-type the same, and have a new sub-type that differentiates them

Erik: I don't think that it's a big deal; I just wanted to be sure we did it with full awareness

Alain: I'm OK with it too.

ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions


[Erik explains email]

Steven: My use case is just "parameter-value" (not sure if there should be an s on the end)
... I like driving the design with use cases

Erik: I am frustrated by the paucity of functions in XPath

Steven: I agree, but we need use cases
... such as for location-protocol

Alain: I have use cases for those things

Steven: Fine. I don't want top get in the way, just make sure we include things that will actually be used.

Erik: We don't have to do this right now.
... there is clearly a use case for parameter names; not clear about port, but then why allow some and exclude others?

Steven: Well, if you have the whole URL, you can string process.

Erik: True
... we could provide a function for the location url, and then functions for *any* url

Steven: Good idea!

Erik: I can follow up on that.

Steven: Great!

xforms-submit-error default action


Steven: So why is the default action for a submission error "do nothing"?
... and if you don't like the new default, well you can always switch it off.
... (it's a single line)

Erik: You can make a similar case for other errors
... see section 10.5

<ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Error_Handling

Erik: I see no harm in it.

Steven: The default action doesn't have to be a dialog; just some indication of what has gone wrong.

Erik: OK

Alain: OK, as long as it doesn't have to be language specific

UI Common


Steven: I think this is an error

<ebruchez> <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:group name="UI.Common">

<ebruchez> <xsd:sequence>

<ebruchez> <xsd:choice minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded">

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:help"/>

Erik: The schema I have here has unbounded repeat wherever it is used

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:hint"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:alert"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:group ref="xforms:Action"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:any namespace="##other" processContents="lax" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>

<ebruchez> </xsd:choice>

<ebruchez> </xsd:sequence>

<ebruchez> </xsd:group>

Steven: I intend to fix this, by changing the definition of UI Common

@label etc


Erik: The schema I have here says that <output> uses @UI Common

<ebruchez> <xsd:element name="trigger">

<ebruchez> <xsd:complexType>

<ebruchez> <xsd:sequence>

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:label"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>

<ebruchez> </xsd:sequence>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Common.Attributes"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Single.Node.Binding.Attributes"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:UI.Common.Attrs"/>

<ebruchez> </xsd:complexType>

<ebruchez> </xsd:element>

<ebruchez> <xsd:element name="output">

<ebruchez> <xsd:complexType>

<ebruchez> <xsd:sequence minOccurs="0">

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:label"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:mediatype" minOccurs="0"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:element ref="xforms:filename" minOccurs="0"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>

<ebruchez> </xsd:sequence>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Common.Attributes"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Single.Node.Binding.Attributes"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:UI.Common.Attrs"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attribute name="value" type="xforms:XPathExpression" use="optional"/>

<ebruchez> <xsd:attribute name="mediatype" type="xsd:string" use="optional"/>

<ebruchez> </xsd:complexType>

<ebruchez> </xsd:element>

<ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/XForms-11-Schema.xsd

Erik: The online schema may not have it

Steven: You are right; it has @appearance, and not @UI Common
... OK I'll fix.



Steven: Next call in three weeks


Summary of Action Items

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