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14:56:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:56:37 <trackbot> Date: 16 April 2014
14:57:16 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0026
14:57:27 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0026
14:57:31 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
14:57:40 <Steven_> Regrets: Nick, Uli, Philip
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15:00:33 <Zakim> +??P6
15:00:47 <Steven_> zakim, I am ?
15:00:47 <Zakim> +Steven_; got it
15:01:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:28 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:01:28 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:03:08 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:03:57 <Steven_> Topic: Announcements etc
15:03:57 <Steven_> Coming calls (Steven away for two weeks)
15:05:07 <Steven_> Steven: Let us have a break for two weeks. So next call will be May 7.
15:05:20 <Steven_> Topic: Event-type changes
15:05:20 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0013.html
15:05:44 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0020.html
15:05:58 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0022.html
15:06:42 <Steven_> Steven: Are we OK with the error codes not being backwards compatible?
15:07:32 <Steven_> ... the other option is to keep eroor-type the same, and have a new sub-type that differentiates them
15:07:38 <Steven_> s/roor/rror/
15:08:16 <Steven_> Erik: I don't think that it's a big deal; I just wanted to be sure we did it with full awareness
15:08:22 <Steven_> Alain: I'm OK with it too.
15:08:40 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions
15:08:40 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0021.html
15:10:44 <Steven_> [Erik explains email]
15:16:48 <Steven_> Steven: My use case is just :parameter-value" (not sure if there should be an s on the end)
15:16:57 <Steven_> ... I like driving the design with use cases
15:17:16 <Steven_> Erik: I am frustrated by the paucity of functions in XPath
15:17:37 <Steven_> s/:p/"p/
15:18:43 <Steven_> Steven: I agree, but we need use cases
15:19:14 <Steven_> ... such as for location-protocol
15:19:23 <Steven_> Alain: I have use cases for those things
15:20:30 <Steven_> Steven: Fine. I don't want top get in the way, just make sure we include things that will actually be used.
15:21:16 <Steven_> Erik: We don't have to do this right now.
15:21:47 <Steven_> ... there is clearly a use case for parameter names; not clear about port, but then why allow some and exclude others?
15:22:19 <Steven_> Steven: Well, if you have the whole URL, you can string process.
15:22:22 <Steven_> Erik: True
15:22:52 <Steven_> ... we could provide a function for the location url, and then functions for *any* url
15:22:59 <Steven_> Steven: Good idea!
15:23:46 <Steven_> Erik: I can follow up on that.
15:23:50 <Steven_> Steven: Great!
15:24:23 <Steven_> Topic: xforms-submit-error default action
15:24:23 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0023.html
15:25:34 <Steven_> Steven: So why is the default action for a submission error "do nothing"?
15:26:28 <Steven_> ... and if you don't like the new default, well you can always switch it off.
15:26:36 <Steven_> ... (it's a single line)
15:27:19 <Steven_> Erik: You can make a similar case for other erros
15:27:26 <Steven_> ... see section 10.5
15:27:30 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Error_Handling
15:30:30 <Steven_> s/erros/errors/
15:30:42 <Steven_> Erik: I see no harm in it.
15:32:28 <Steven_> Steven: The default action doesn't have to be a dialog; just some indication of what has gone wrong.
15:32:43 <Steven_> Erik: OK
15:33:28 <Steven_> Alain: OK, as long as it doesn't have to be language specific
15:34:00 <Steven_> Topic: UI Common
15:34:01 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0028.html
15:34:57 <Steven_> Steven: I think this is an error
15:35:31 <ebruchez> <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
15:36:08 <ebruchez> <xsd:group name="UI.Common">
15:36:09 <ebruchez>     <xsd:sequence>
15:36:10 <ebruchez>         <xsd:choice minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded">
15:36:12 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:help"/>
15:36:12 <Steven_> Erik: The schema I have here has unbounded repeat wherever it is used
15:36:13 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:hint"/>
15:36:15 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:alert"/>
15:36:16 <ebruchez>             <xsd:group ref="xforms:Action"/>
15:36:18 <ebruchez>             <xsd:any namespace="##other" processContents="lax" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
15:36:19 <ebruchez>         </xsd:choice>
15:36:20 <ebruchez>     </xsd:sequence>
15:36:21 <ebruchez> </xsd:group>
15:37:34 <Steven_> Steven: I intend to fix this, by changing the definition of UI Common
15:38:01 <Steven_> Topic: @label etc
15:38:02 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0029.html
15:40:47 <Steven_> Erik: The schema I have here says that <output> uses @UI Common
15:40:47 <ebruchez> <xsd:element name="trigger">
15:40:48 <ebruchez>     <xsd:complexType>
15:40:49 <ebruchez>         <xsd:sequence>
15:40:51 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:label"/>
15:40:52 <ebruchez>             <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
15:40:54 <ebruchez>         </xsd:sequence>
15:40:55 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Common.Attributes"/>
15:40:57 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Single.Node.Binding.Attributes"/>
15:40:58 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:UI.Common.Attrs"/>
15:40:59 <ebruchez>     </xsd:complexType>
15:41:00 <ebruchez> </xsd:element>
15:41:54 <ebruchez> <xsd:element name="output">
15:41:54 <ebruchez>     <xsd:complexType>
15:41:56 <ebruchez>         <xsd:sequence minOccurs="0">
15:41:57 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:label"/>
15:41:59 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:mediatype" minOccurs="0"/>
15:42:00 <ebruchez>             <xsd:element ref="xforms:filename" minOccurs="0"/>
15:42:02 <ebruchez>             <xsd:group ref="xforms:UI.Common" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
15:42:03 <ebruchez>         </xsd:sequence>
15:42:05 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Common.Attributes"/>
15:42:06 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:Single.Node.Binding.Attributes"/>
15:42:08 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attributeGroup ref="xforms:UI.Common.Attrs"/>
15:42:09 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attribute name="value" type="xforms:XPathExpression" use="optional"/>
15:42:11 <ebruchez>         <xsd:attribute name="mediatype" type="xsd:string" use="optional"/>
15:42:12 <ebruchez>     </xsd:complexType>
15:42:12 <ebruchez> </xsd:element>
15:42:58 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/XForms-11-Schema.xsd
15:43:07 <Steven_> Erik: The online schema may not have it
15:44:02 <Steven_> Steven: You are right; it has @appearance, and not @UI Common
15:44:28 <Steven_> .. OK I'll fix.
15:44:39 <Steven_> Topic: AOB
15:44:43 <Steven_> [none]
15:44:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:44:54 <Steven_> Steven: Next call in three weeks
15:44:54 <Zakim> -Steven_
15:44:54 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:44:54 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
15:44:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven_, [IPcaller], ebruchez
15:45:00 <Steven_> [ADJOURN]
15:45:05 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
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