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<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<scribe> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
<scribe> ScribeNick: Ryladog
<scribe> Chair: Lisa Seeman
<Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting
LS: We start at 9am for the Face
2 face
... Please join us if you can come. I will give a review of
what we are doing. And a few issues
1 issue is addressing AAA issues that are relevant to Cognitive issues
This puts WCAG in a tricky position because laws reference the technniques specifically - but we are still wanting to address them
KHS: Noted that Techniques are not required for WCAG conformance, so we want to discourage agencies and countries from doing so.
LS: there are aslo SC that need
to be addresssed
... I will be putting some slide together for CSUN, do you jave
any ideas to consider for the slidess
LS: I want to change the name of the Aging. I prefer Age Related Cognitive Decline - Lets call it Dementia and Cognitive Decline
<richardschwerdtfeger> k thx
<JF> +1 to capturing "aging"
RS: There are cognitive impairment related to aging - we didnt want to draw in visual and hearing decline
JF: we want to be sure we are
apturing where aging fits into the bigger picture. Dealing with
issues arounddemention seperate from cognitive issues.
... We really do want to include aging somewhere - maybe it is
around severity. I am not sure
LS: maybe this is seperate topic.
I do not want to link Cogntive decline to aging only
... I do not want to imply that everyone as they get older will
succumb to cognitive decline
RS: Just becasue you are aging does not mean ypu will have disability
LS: Cognitive Decline
RS: There are ADD issue with
aging, there certainly are people with depression. We did an
study with NIDDR about depresssion and ADD
... there are a lot of similar issues that are not always the
same for each person
MJM: I do not want to boil the issue on this one. I want to keep it focused on the aging population and what their cognitive issue might be
LN: Some people there issue is
just getting old are not the same as cognitive decline
... It should be very clearly distinct between cognitive issues
and those that just have regular very old issue
LN> We should keep aging or a word like that in
KHS: I agree
<Liddy> Some people say now that older people may seem to perform less effectively because they have overloaded their brains - not decline but already 'full'
LS: Next week we are not going to
have a call because we wiill be at CSUN
... The following week I will be traveling home so I may need
help maybe with the meeting that week. We wanted to give people
weeks to get their stuff up on the wiki, so this is a reminder
about that
<Liddy> I will be absent for 2 weeks
<Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Feb/0043.html
LS: I can talk about Dislexia or
we can talk about the WCAG 2 review I did. What would you
like?
... Lets look at the first half of the WCAG review that I
did
... Several SC are AAA and many of the techniques are Advisory
- there are the 2 big issues I see
... We will need to create resources ourselves for what we
consider is Jargon for 1.1.1.
... The next issue is CAPTCHA. JF talked about biometrics
JF: I think really- that whole
area is one of general observation - today that requires some
proprietary solutions - which is a problem for now.
... That might be a work item - with out talking about a
specific vendor - we can outline that there is the ability now
to capture certain humanistic qualities
... We can do, are you infact a human? Yes I thinkwe can do
that. The problem is if you have onlly 1 human characterstic -
so about multiple ways of addressing
... We might want to make it and exploritory white paper. I do
not think about
EW: I want to look at the pragmatic peices - to come up with something that has a pass fail
JF: the requirment is we want to be able to deterine if you are a human or not. Currentvly we are talking about a very sppecific technology
EW: How does WCAG address new technology?
JF: at the F2F might be the place
to kick off that dialog. Ask them hpw we can coordinate
something like that. In the W3C we do have Notes - which is
like a White Paper
... So maybe we want to suggest a W3C WCAG 2 NOTE for CAPTCHA
or HUMAN. As Elle said it transcends just cognitive
... You just have to come up with something very different.
Maybe I am using the q+
JS: Beyond WCAG and the WCAG WG
their is also the WAI Research Working Group chaired by Simon
Harper. And there is also PF
... Gee we wnt to talk about additional SC - we carefullyy
hammered out out about how that might happen. But it needs to
follow a specific task. First the Gap Analysis and then come
nack and say where are the appropraite opportunity to add
something
JS; CAPTCHA - PF wrote a CAPTCHA paper long ago and we need to update that. Pelase help us with that
KHS: Yes a biometric marker requirement is missing from WCAG and other standards do have this. This si a clear gap.
LS: Can a user tell the
difference between a dog and a cat. Their may be alternative
that we can use through a CAPTCHA - alternative methods include
a different cognitive levels
... That is my suggestion as an alternatie to deal with diff
cognitive disabiliteis
... To elaborate on Janina's point. We are mandate to do a Gap
Anaysis, then Road Map an then Altenative Techniques
... We are supposed to address thongs mostly at the Techniques
level, but may change over time
... Let's say we say WCAG needs a new SC at say Level A = we
would do that by putting that in the Road Map. The WCAG could
pick up the RM and agree or disagree
... We need to make new version of the CAPTCHA Note for PF
JS: I do not thonk we would republish that before running it through this group first
LS: The next GL is Adaptable
present content in different ways and the checkpoint for
Information and Relationships (A) - i think this is a fantastic
guideline
... I can see simple things that everyone can do
... Enabling thing sot be adaptabel for dofferent audiences is
wonderful. When we see a Sufficient technniques is NOT a
sufficient technique fromm our persppective - we will want to
identify that
s/perspective?perspective
LS: The sequence is meaningful is going to be very useful for us. Any comments?
zaakim, next item
LS: Please everyone get something up on the wiki in the next two weeks.
Attendees: Attendees were Lisa_Seeman, Liddy_Nevile, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina_Sajka, Elle_Waters, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl, John_Foliot, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Micheal_Cooper
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<neilmilliken> hi all
<neilmilliken> I cannot access the conference the pin is not valid?
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