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15:45:16 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:45:45 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, what conference
15:45:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what conference', Lisa_Seeman
15:45:53 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, what conference is this
15:45:53 <Zakim> Lisa_Seeman, you need to end that query with '?'
15:45:59 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, what conference is this?
15:45:59 <Zakim> this will be WAI_CogTF()12:00PM conference code 2642, Lisa_Seeman
15:47:22 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: debra rue, Jim Allen, Katherine Mancuso
15:48:00 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:48:14 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ preview agenda
15:48:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Set scribe
15:48:39 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Any new issues
15:48:55 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ CSUN and WCAG. No meeting next week.
15:49:09 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Aging
15:49:20 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Review of other work done
15:49:32 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Actions
15:49:45 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
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15:55:54 <Zakim> +??P4
15:57:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P4 is Lisa_Seeman
15:57:17 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:57:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:58:19 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is liddy
15:58:19 <Zakim> +liddy; got it
16:01:04 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
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16:01:47 <Zakim> +Janina
16:01:48 <Zakim> + +1.502.632.aaaa
16:02:20 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1.502.632.aaaa is elle
16:02:20 <Zakim> +elle; got it
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16:03:40 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, liddy, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina, elle, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl
16:03:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see ElleWaters, ddahl, Ryladog, MaryJo, Liddy, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC
16:04:30 <Ryladog> zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
16:04:30 <Zakim> ok, Ryladog, I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM already started
16:04:43 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
16:04:53 <Ryladog> ScribeNick: Ryladog
16:05:28 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:05:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:53 <Ryladog> Meeting: Cognitive A11y Task Force
16:06:15 <Ryladog> Chair: Lisa Seeman
16:07:13 <Ryladog> Present: ElleWaters, ddahl, Ryladog, MaryJo, Liddy, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, Lisa_Seeman, liddy, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina, elle, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl
16:07:58 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:07:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:08:11 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:08:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Ryladog
16:08:38 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:08:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Ryladog
16:08:47 <Ryladog> zakim, agenda 3
16:08:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda 3', Ryladog
16:09:14 <Ryladog> zakim, close agenda 2
16:09:14 <Zakim> agendum 2, Set scribe, closed
16:09:15 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:15 <Zakim> 3. Any new issues [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:09:34 <Ryladog> zakim, close agenda 4
16:09:35 <Zakim> agendum 4, CSUN and WCAG. No meeting next week., closed
16:09:35 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:35 <Zakim> 3. Any new issues [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:09:47 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:09:51 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:09:51 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Any new issues" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:10:05 <Ryladog> zakim, close agenda 4
16:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 4, CSUN and WCAG. No meeting next week., closed
16:10:06 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:10:06 <Zakim> 3. Any new issues [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:10:11 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/03/ftf-meeting
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16:10:29 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:10:36 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make log public
16:11:17 <Zakim> -Janina
16:11:21 <Ryladog> LS: We start at 9am for the Face 2 face
16:11:52 <Ryladog> LS: Please join us if you can come. I will give a review of what we are doing. And a few issues
16:13:20 <Zakim> +??P0
16:13:26 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is me
16:13:26 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:13:38 <Ryladog> i issue is addressing AAA issues that are relevant to Cognitive issues
16:14:09 <JF> s/i issue/1 issue
16:14:19 <Ryladog> This puts WCAG in a tricky position because laws reference the technniques specifically - but we are still wanting to address them
16:14:27 <Ryladog> q+
16:16:48 <Ryladog> KHS: Noted that Techniques are not required for WCAG conformance, so we want to discourage agencies and countries from doing so.
16:17:04 <Ryladog> LS: there are aslo SC that need to be addresssed
16:17:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:17:53 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ry
16:17:59 <Ryladog> LS: I will be putting some slide together for CSUN, do you jave any ideas to consider for the slide
16:18:32 <Ryladog> zakim, agenda?
16:18:32 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
16:18:34 <Zakim> 3. Any new issues [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:18:34 <Zakim> 5. Aging [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:18:34 <Zakim> 6. Review of other work done [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:18:34 <Zakim> 7. Actions [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:18:34 <Zakim> 8. be done [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:19:05 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:19:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Aging" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:19:19 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:20:02 <Ryladog> LS: I want to change the name of the Aging. I preferAge Related Cognitive Decline - Lets call it Dementia and Cognitive Decline
16:20:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> k thx
16:20:42 <JF> +1 to capturing "aging"
16:21:08 <Ryladog> RS: There are cognitive impairment related to aging - we didnt want to draw in visual and hearing decline
16:22:09 <JF> Q+
16:22:41 <JF> ack JF
16:23:34 <Ryladog> JF: we want to be sure we are apturing where aging fits into the bigger picture. Dealing with issuesa round demention seperate from cognitive issues.
16:24:00 <Ryladog> JF: We really do want to include aging somewhere - maybe it is around severity. I am not sure
16:24:23 <Ryladog> LS: maybe this is seoerae topic. I do not want to link Cogntive declien to aging only
16:24:42 <Ryladog> s/seoerae/seperate
16:25:06 <Ryladog> LS: I do not want to imply that everyone as they get older will succumb to cogntivie decline
16:25:07 <JF> s/declien/decline
16:25:29 <Ryladog> RS: Just becasue you are aging does not mean ypu will have disability
16:26:07 <Ryladog> LS: Cognitive Decline
16:26:38 <MaryJo> q+
16:26:52 <Ryladog> RS: There are ADD issue with aging, there certainly are people with deprrssion. We did an study with NIDDR about depresssion and ADD
16:27:20 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:27:20 <Ryladog> RS: there are a lot of similar issues that are not always the same for each persson
16:27:31 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ma
16:27:39 <Liddy> q+
16:28:05 <Ryladog> MJM: I do not want to boil the issue on this one. I want to keep it focused on the aging population and what their cognitive issue might be
16:28:24 <Lisa_Seeman> ack li
16:28:57 <Ryladog> LN: Some people there issue is just getting old are not the same as cogtivie decline
16:29:28 <Liddy> q-
16:29:48 <Ryladog> LN: It should be very clearly distinct between cognitive issues and those that just have regular very old issue
16:30:09 <Ryladog> LN> We should keep aging or a word like that in
16:30:14 <Ryladog> KHS: I agree
16:31:33 <Ryladog> s/cogtivie/cognitive
16:31:52 <Liddy> Some people say now that older people may seem to perform less effectively because they have overloaded their brains - not decline but already 'full'
16:31:58 <Ryladog> LS: Next week we are not going to have a call because we wiill be at CSUN
16:32:53 <Ryladog> LS: The following week I will be traveling home so I may need help maybe with the meeting that week. We wnated to give people  weeks to get their stuff up on the wiki, so this is a reminder about that
16:33:09 <Liddy> I will be absent for 2 weeks
16:33:21 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Feb/0043.html
16:33:27 <Ryladog> LS: I can talk about Dislexia or we can talk about the WCAG 2 review I did. What would you like?
16:33:55 <Ryladog> LS: Lets look at the first half of the WCAG review that I did
16:34:29 <Ryladog> LS: Several SC are AAA and many of the techniques are Advisory - there are the 2 big issues I see
16:35:09 <Ryladog> LS: We will need to create resources ourselves for wht we consider is Jargon for 1.1.1.
16:35:41 <Ryladog> LS: The next issue is CAPTCHA. JF talked about biometrics
16:36:34 <Ryladog> JF: I think really- that whole area is one of general observation - today that requires soem proprietary solutions - which is a problem for now.
16:37:22 <Ryladog> JF: That might be a work item - with out talking about a specific vendor - we can outline that there is the ability now to capture certain humanistic qualitiees
16:38:07 <Ryladog> JF: We can do, are you infact a human? Yes I thinkwe can do that. The problem is if you have onlly 1 human characterstic - so about multiple ways of addressing
16:38:42 <Ryladog> JF: We might want to make it and expolitory white paper. I do not think about
16:38:44 <Ryladog> q+
16:39:30 <Ryladog> EW: I want to look at the pragmatic peices - to come up with something that has a pass fail
16:40:04 <Ryladog> JF: the requirment is we want to be able to deterine if you are a human or not. Currentvly we are talking about a very sppecific technology
16:42:15 <Ryladog> EW: How does WCAG address new technology?
16:43:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:43:11 <Ryladog> JF: at the F2F might be the place to kick off that dialog. Ask them hpw we can coordinate something like that. In the W3C we do have Notes - which is like a White Paper
16:43:45 <janina> q?
16:43:49 <janina> q+
16:43:53 <Ryladog> JF: So maybe we want to suggest a W3C WCAG 2 NOTE for CAPTCHA or HUMAN. As Elle said it transcends just cognitive
16:44:28 <Ryladog> JF: You just have to come up with something very different. Maybe I am using the q+
16:44:29 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:45:37 <Ryladog> JS: Beyonf WCAG and the WCAG WG their is also the WAI Research Working Group chaired by Simon Harper. And there is also PF
16:46:42 <Ryladog> JS: Gee we wnt to talk about additional SC - we carefull hammered about how that might happen. But it needs to follow a specific task. First the Gap Analysis and then come nack and say where are the appropraite opportunity to add something
16:46:59 <Lisa_Seeman> ack jan
16:47:40 <Ryladog> JS; CAPTCHA - PF wrote a CAPTCHA paper loong ago and we need to update that. Pelase help us with that
16:48:04 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ry
16:49:27 <Ryladog> KHS: Yes a biometric marker requirement is missing from WCAG an otther standrads do have this. This si a clear gap.
16:50:51 <Ryladog> LS: Can a user tell the difference between a dog and a cat. Their may be alternative that we can use through a CAPTCHA - alternative methods include a different cognitive levels
16:51:21 <Ryladog> LS: That is my suggestion as an alternatie to deal with diff cognitive disabiliteis
16:52:04 <Ryladog> LS: To elaborate on Janina's point. We care mandate to do a Gap Anaysis, then Road Map an then Altenative Techniques
16:52:34 <Ryladog> LS: We are supposed to address thongs mostly at the Techniques level, but may chnage over time
16:53:30 <Ryladog> LS: Let s say we say WCAG needs a new SC at say Level A = we would do that by putting that in the Road Map. The WCAG could pick up the RM and agree or disagree
16:53:43 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:53:47 <Lisa_Seeman> q-
16:54:25 <Ryladog> LS: We need to make new version of the CAPTCHA Note for PF
16:54:52 <Ryladog> JS: I do not thonk we would republish that before running it through this group first
16:56:01 <Ryladog> LS: The next GL is Adaptable present content in different ways and the checkpoint for Information and Relationships (A) - i think this is a fantastic guideline
16:56:23 <Ryladog> LS: I can see simple things that everyone can do
16:57:20 <Ryladog> LS: Ebaling thing sot be adaptabel for dofferent audiences is wonderful. When we see a Sufficient technniques is NOT a sufficient technique fromm our persppective - we will want to identify that
16:57:45 <Ryladog> s/Ebaling/Enabling
16:58:06 <Ryladog> s/persppective?perspective
16:58:20 <Ryladog> s/persppective/perspective
16:58:55 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:59:11 <Ryladog> LS: The sequence is meaningful is going to be very useful for us. Any comments?
16:59:19 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:59:19 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Review of other work done" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:59:23 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:59:31 <Zakim> -janina
16:59:31 <Ryladog> zaakim, next item
16:59:43 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:59:43 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, Ryladog
17:00:09 <Ryladog> LS: Please everyone get something up on the wiki in the next two weeks.
17:00:13 <Zakim> -elle
17:00:23 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:00:25 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
17:00:26 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
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17:05:25 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:05:27 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
17:05:27 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
17:05:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Lisa_Seeman, liddy, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina, elle, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl, John_Foliot, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:07:58 <Ryladog> Present: Lisa_Seeman, Liddy_Nevile, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina_Sajka, Elle_Waters, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl, John_Foliot, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Micheal_Cooper
17:08:16 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:09:38 <Ryladog> Attendees: Attendees were Lisa_Seeman, Liddy_Nevile, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Janina_Sajka, Elle_Waters, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debbie_Dahl, John_Foliot, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Micheal_Cooper
17:10:07 <Ryladog> Regrets: Debra Ruh, Katherine, John Rockford, Jim Allen
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17:18:38 <neilmilliken> hi all
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17:19:03 <neilmilliken> I cannot access the conference the pin is not valid?
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