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13:40:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:40:25 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:40:25 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009
13:40:33 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0013.html
13:40:39 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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13:45:39 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:45:39 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:45:41 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:47:19 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio, Markus
13:47:57 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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13:51:09 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:55:29 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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13:55:33 <Steven> Topic: RDFa
13:55:49 <Steven> Steven: Google has announced support for RDFa
Steven Pemberton: Google has announced support for RDFa ←
13:56:25 <Tina2> I'm having a hard time getting through on the phone :(
Tina Holmboe: I'm having a hard time getting through on the phone :( ←
14:02:36 <Steven> ... I have created a tutorial, I'd be happy for input
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... I have created a tutorial, I'd be happy for input ←
14:02:37 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/rdfa-for-html-authors#Further
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/rdfa-for-html-authors#Further ←
14:03:45 <Steven> Roland: We need some more examples of Vocabularies
Roland Merrick: We need some more examples of Vocabularies ←
14:04:05 <Steven> Steven: I agree, though at the end you'll see links to example vocabularies
Steven Pemberton: I agree, though at the end you'll see links to example vocabularies ←
14:04:25 <Steven> Roland: What about goe?
Roland Merrick: What about geo? ←
14:04:30 <Steven> s/goe/geo/
14:04:44 <Steven> Steven: It's a subpart of a couple of them; I could point that out
Steven Pemberton: It's a subpart of a couple of them; I could point that out ←
14:05:03 <Steven> Roland: I think it's a good use case
Roland Merrick: I think it's a good use case ←
14:05:58 <Steven> Steven: I agree on the nedd for more examples, and I will be adding them
Steven Pemberton: I agree on the need for more examples, and I will be adding them ←
14:06:04 <Steven> s/nedd/need/
14:06:36 <Steven> Gregory: What I need to do is to support the use of RDFa for accessibility
Gregory Rosmaita: What I need to do is to proselytize the use of RDFa for accessibility ←
14:06:46 <Steven> ... maybe this should be an appendix
... maybe this should be an appendix ←
14:07:10 <Steven> s/support/proselytize/
14:07:35 <Steven> Roland: The best way is to use it in an exemplary manner, and point to the pages
Roland Merrick: The best way is to use it in an exemplary manner, and point to the pages ←
14:08:04 <Steven> Steven: The W3C teeam has a big discussion on this tomorrow, plus a blog entry
Steven Pemberton: The W3C teeam has a big discussion on this tomorrow, plus a blog entry ←
14:08:27 <Steven> Gregory: I would like to a DTD for XHTML 1.1+RDFa+Aria
Gregory Rosmaita: I would like to a DTD for XHTML 1.1+RDFa+Aria ←
14:08:33 <Steven> ... +role
... +role ←
14:08:45 <Steven> Shane: We do have that already
Shane McCarron: We do have that already ←
14:09:20 <Steven> ... if you set your doctype to use it though, some UAs don't recognise it properly as XHTML
... if you set your doctype to use it though, some UAs don't recognise it properly as XHTML ←
14:09:27 <Steven> ... in particular entities don't work
... in particular entities don't work ←
14:09:53 <Steven> ... However, we do have it
... However, we do have it ←
14:10:18 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role
ACTION: Shane to send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role ←
14:10:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-05-20].
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14:10:20 <ShaneM> (and it is called XHTML 1.2)
Shane McCarron: (and it is called XHTML 1.2) ←
14:11:36 <Steven> Gregory: Accessibility UAs at the moment only key off of @lang, but I'm hoping we can deprecate that in the long run.
Gregory Rosmaita: Accessibility UAs at the moment only key off of @lang, but I'm hoping we can deprecate that in the long run. ←
14:11:51 <Steven> ... in favour of xml:lang
... in favour of xml:lang ←
14:12:20 <Steven> Steven: The newest DTDs support both, so the freedom is there to allow that to happen
Steven Pemberton: The newest DTDs support both, so the freedom is there to allow that to happen ←
14:13:22 <Steven> Gregory: I note that the current validator supports RDFa, and I have been using it
Gregory Rosmaita: I note that the current validator supports RDFa, and I have been using it ←
14:13:41 <Steven> ... nice that it has its own icon for RDFa
... nice that it has its own icon for RDFa ←
14:13:49 <Steven> ... good for raising awareness
... good for raising awareness ←
14:14:08 <Steven> Shane: I am already adding the Google stuff to our website
Shane McCarron: I am already adding the Google stuff to our website ←
14:14:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:14:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:16:44 <Steven> Shane: RDFa in HTML is the next step
Shane McCarron: RDFa in HTML is the next step ←
14:16:57 <Steven> Steven: Not in our charter, so we have to negotiate that
Steven Pemberton: Not in our charter, so we have to negotiate that ←
14:17:30 <Steven> Gregory: Sam Ruby has an action item to get together with Steven and Roland to talk about convergence
Gregory Rosmaita: Sam Ruby has an action item to get together with Steven and Roland to talk about convergence ←
14:18:14 <Steven> ... WHATWG HTML5 people seems to be allergic to "invisible" metadata.
... WHATWG HTML5 people seem to be allergic to "invisible" metadata. ←
14:18:21 <Steven> s/seems/seem/
14:18:39 <Steven> ... I have been trying to defend @summary for instance
... I have been trying to defend @summary for instance ←
14:18:59 <Steven> ... it is not evil, or championing a particular group of people
... it is not evil, or championing a particular group of people ←
14:20:55 <Steven> ... WAI PF will need a new co-chair soon
... WAI PF will need a new co-chair soon ←
14:21:20 <Steven> ... we need @role in HTML5
... we need @role in HTML5 ←
14:26:35 <Steven> ... though we are still battling to keep the things in HTML5 that were added to HTML4 for accessibility
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... though we are still battling to keep the things in HTML5 that were added to HTML4 for accessibility ←
14:26:58 <Steven> ... I am personally not being taken seriously by all the of the HTML5 WG
... I am personally not being taken seriously by all the of the HTML5 WG ←
14:27:20 <Steven> Shane: We need to take access to last call again now
Shane McCarron: We need to take access to last call again now ←
14:27:32 <Steven> ... and CURIES need to progress.
... and CURIES need to progress. ←
14:27:43 <Steven> ... Those are our top two tasks
... Those are our top two tasks ←
14:28:33 <Steven> Gregory: We said that May 29th was the deadline for end of last call of access
Gregory Rosmaita: We said that May 29th was the deadline for end of last call of access ←
14:28:43 <Steven> Steven: I'm afraid I didn't get it out in time
Steven Pemberton: I'm afraid I didn't get it out in time ←
14:31:05 <Steven> Gregory: I am maintaining a wiki for each module
Gregory Rosmaita: I am maintaining a wiki for each module ←
14:32:14 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/XHTML2/i18n
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/XHTML2/i18n ←
14:32:35 <Steven> Gregory: You'll see links to resolutions and Issues
Gregory Rosmaita: You'll see links to resolutions and Issues ←
14:32:57 <Steven> Steven: Great stuff
Steven Pemberton: Great stuff ←
14:33:19 <Steven> Shane: It is good to have areas around role and access in the XHTML2 area
Shane McCarron: It is good to have areas around role and access in the XHTML2 area ←
14:33:47 <Steven> ... but we don't want to conflate them, they are independent of XHTML2
... but we don't want to conflate them, they are independent of XHTML2 ←
14:37:59 <Steven> Steven: I've been thinking about unbinding more of the modules, such as the hypertext module, maybe embedding too.
Steven Pemberton: I've been thinking about unbinding more of the modules, such as the hypertext module, maybe embedding too. ←
14:38:23 <Steven> ... I saw a blog declaiming href everywhere, and he had even implemented it in javascript
... I saw a blog declaiming href everywhere, and he had even implemented it in javascript ←
14:38:57 <Steven> Shane: There is substantial overhead to creating new documents
Shane McCarron: There is substantial overhead to creating new documents ←
14:39:00 <Steven> Steven: True
Steven Pemberton: True ←
14:39:27 <Steven> Gregory: I know the Backplane XG would be interested in the hypertext module
Gregory Rosmaita: I think the Backplane XG would be interested in the hypertext module ←
14:39:37 <Steven> s/know/think/
14:40:15 <Steven> Gregory: The object module would be great too
Gregory Rosmaita: The object module would be great too ←
14:40:55 <Steven> ... HTML5 is replacing object with individual media elements, unfortunately
... HTML5 is replacing object with individual media elements, unfortunately ←
14:41:20 <Steven> Shane: I think Modularization 2 does much of this
Shane McCarron: I think Modularization 2 does much of this ←
14:41:35 <Steven> Roland: Depends on how self-contained the modules are
Roland Merrick: Depends on how self-contained the modules are ←
14:43:43 <Steven> Shane: I think we have that now. Each module is a free-standing thing
Shane McCarron: I think we have that now. Each module is a free-standing thing ←
14:43:56 <Steven> Roalnd: If that is the case, then good.
Roland Merrick: If that is the case, then good. ←
14:44:05 <Steven> s/Roal/Rola/
14:44:15 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization2-20090123/mod-embedding.html#s_embeddingmodule
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization2-20090123/mod-embedding.html#s_embeddingmodule ←
14:44:18 <Steven> Shane: There are side-effects when modules are used together
Shane McCarron: There are side-effects when modules are used together ←
14:44:37 <Steven> ... but each module is still independent
... but each module is still independent ←
14:45:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:45:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:45:56 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:48:45 <Steven> [Adjourn]
[Adjourn] ←
14:48:49 <Zakim> -Roland
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14:48:51 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:48:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:49:02 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:49:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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