next time discuss Fed queries and publication schedule, all editors, let us know how far you are wrt. publication of next round!
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13:57:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:57:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:43 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:43 <trackbot> Date: 20 April 2010
13:57:53 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-04-20
13:58:09 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:16 <Zakim> + +03539149aaaa
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13:58:56 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
13:58:56 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
13:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aabb ←
13:59:02 <kasei> heh
Gregory Williams: heh ←
13:59:06 <Zakim> + +0186528aacc
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13:59:07 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, aabb is me ←
13:59:08 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
13:59:21 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aacc is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aacc is me ←
13:59:21 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:59:34 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum ←
13:59:35 <bglimm> Zakim, why don't you recognize me any more?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, why don't you recognize me any more? ←
13:59:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bglimm.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bglimm. ←
13:59:39 <AndyS1> zakim, ??P14 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
13:59:39 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it ←
13:59:51 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, mute me please ←
13:59:51 <Zakim> Lee_Feigenbaum should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Lee_Feigenbaum should now be muted ←
13:59:59 <Zakim> + +49.238.aadd
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14:00:06 <Zakim> + +0208439aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0208439aaee ←
14:00:11 <LeeF> Chair: AxelPolleres
14:00:16 <Zakim> - +0208439aaee
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14:00:28 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:00:28 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:00:28 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aadd is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, aadd is me ←
14:00:29 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
14:00:30 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
14:00:30 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:00:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:00:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:00:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
14:00:34 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:00:34 <trackbot> Date: 20 April 2010
14:00:35 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:35 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:00:41 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQl
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQl ←
14:00:41 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:00:45 <LeeF> zakim, mute bglimm
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, mute bglimm ←
14:00:45 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:00:46 <bglimm> Zakim, this is SPARQL
Birte Glimm: Zakim, this is SPARQL ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> bglimm, this was already SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm, this was already SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:00:49 <Zakim> ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:00:56 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:56 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm ←
14:01:10 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
14:01:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie ←
14:01:10 <AxelPolleres> chime, will you be able to scribe?
Axel Polleres: chime, will you be able to scribe? ←
14:01:13 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aagg ←
14:01:13 <chimezie> yes
Chimezie Ogbuji: yes ←
14:01:30 <Souri> zakim, aagg is Souri
Souripriya Das: zakim, aagg is Souri ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it ←
14:01:43 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:01:45 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone ←
14:01:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's on the phone', SteveH ←
14:01:50 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS1, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, +0208439aaff, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS1, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, +0208439aaff, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:02:08 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-04-20
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-04-20 ←
14:02:12 <SteveH> Zakim, aaff is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, aaff is [Garlik] ←
14:02:12 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:02:13 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's speaking? ←
14:02:15 <AndyS1> zakim, AndyS1 is AndyS
Andy Seaborne: zakim, AndyS1 is AndyS ←
14:02:15 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:02:25 <SteveH> loud typing
Steve Harris: loud typing ←
14:02:29 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (26%), AndyS1 (53%)
Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (26%), AndyS1 (53%) ←
14:02:29 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Chimezie Ogbuji
(Scribe set to Chimezie Ogbuji)
14:02:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13 ←
14:02:52 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
14:03:13 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P25 is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
14:03:13 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
14:03:15 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily SteveH
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily SteveH ←
14:03:17 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
14:03:20 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13
PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13 ←
14:03:33 <LeeF> minutes look good to me
Lee Feigenbaum: minutes look good to me ←
14:03:48 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13
RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-04-13 ←
14:04:15 <AxelPolleres> Next meeting: 2010-04-27 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
Axel Polleres: Next meeting: 2010-04-27 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST ←
14:04:26 <LeeF> my regrets for next week
Lee Feigenbaum: my regrets for next week ←
14:04:34 <ivan> regrets next week
Ivan Herman: regrets next week ←
14:04:36 <chimezie> Axel: I can scribe and chair if necessary
Axel Polleres: I can scribe and chair if necessary ←
14:04:36 <LeeF> David
Lee Feigenbaum: David ←
14:04:40 <LeeF> Alex did last week
Lee Feigenbaum: Alex did last week ←
14:04:46 <LeeF> err, not David
Lee Feigenbaum: err, not David ←
14:05:01 <ivan> I hope to be at WWW (volcano willing)
Ivan Herman: I hope to be at WWW (volcano willing) ←
14:05:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:05:02 <LeeF> OlivierCorby, can you scribe next week?
Lee Feigenbaum: OlivierCorby, can you scribe next week? ←
14:05:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, SteveH, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji, MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, SteveH, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji, MattPerry ←
14:05:38 <AxelPolleres> next time scribing Olivier
Axel Polleres: next time scribing Olivier ←
14:05:55 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:05:57 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:06:03 <chimezie> Need to progress through comments
Need to progress through comments ←
14:06:13 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html ←
14:06:17 <kasei> i've tacked that onto my other NH comments.
Gregory Williams: i've tacked that onto my other NH comments. ←
14:06:26 <Zakim> + +1.919.332.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.332.aahh ←
14:06:32 <kasei> they all sort of belong together
Gregory Williams: they all sort of belong together ←
14:06:47 <kasei> sure
Gregory Williams: sure ←
14:06:56 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
David Charboneau: zakim, mute me ←
14:06:56 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:06:59 <AxelPolleres> greg takes care
Axel Polleres: greg takes care ←
14:07:03 <dcharbon2> zakim, who is on the phone?
David Charboneau: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:07:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, SteveH, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji, MattPerry, +1.919.332.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, kasei, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum (muted), OlivierCorby, Ivan, SteveH, Souri, Chimezie_Ogbuji, MattPerry, +1.919.332.aahh ←
14:07:11 <dcharbon2> zakim, aahh is me
David Charboneau: zakim, aahh is me ←
14:07:11 <Zakim> +dcharbon2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dcharbon2; got it ←
14:07:16 <LeeF> RDB2RDF is close to publishing a UC&R document
Lee Feigenbaum: RDB2RDF is close to publishing a UC&R document ←
14:07:19 <chimezie> Axel: Liasons. Anything to report?
Axel Polleres: Liasons. Anything to report? ←
14:08:16 <chimezie> Souri: going over usecase, not final yet, but coming close
Souripriya Das: going over usecase, not final yet, but coming close ←
14:08:19 <AxelPolleres> Souri: RDB2RDF will soon have UC doc
Souripriya Das: RDB2RDF will soon have UC doc [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:08:23 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:08:23 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:08:27 <AxelPolleres> Axel: we might want to review
Axel Polleres: we might want to review [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:08:33 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
David Charboneau: zakim, mute me ←
14:08:33 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted ←
14:08:50 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
14:08:53 <chimezie> Axel: Wording for conditions on entailment regimes
Axel Polleres: Wording for conditions on entailment regimes ←
14:09:01 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P35 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P35 is me ←
14:09:01 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:09:13 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment conditions rewordings
14:09:13 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0030.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0030.html ←
14:09:26 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:09:38 <AxelPolleres> birte?
Axel Polleres: birte? ←
14:10:17 <LeeF> I was happy with the latest proposed text (per the mailing list)
Lee Feigenbaum: I was happy with the latest proposed text (per the mailing list) ←
14:10:19 <chimezie> Axel: 1st condition. SG G is uniquely specified and E-equivalent to regime
Axel Polleres: 1st condition. SG G is uniquely specified and E-equivalent to regime ←
14:10:39 <chimezie> ... need to be specific about graph equivalence
... need to be specific about graph equivalence ←
14:11:09 <AndyS> ?? If the bnode labels differ, OPTIONAL does not work?
Andy Seaborne: ?? If the bnode labels differ, OPTIONAL does not work? ←
14:11:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/mid/z2i492f2b0b1004190346k2f1eb1f3z67eeb0d5071dfc22@mail.gmail.com
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/mid/z2i492f2b0b1004190346k2f1eb1f3z67eeb0d5071dfc22@mail.gmail.com ←
14:12:11 <AxelPolleres> "uniquely" --> "uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence"
Axel Polleres: "uniquely" --> "uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence" ←
14:12:13 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:12:14 <chimezie> Axel: added 'uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence'
Axel Polleres: added 'uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence' ←
14:12:45 <chimezie> AndyS: how does this work with the rest of the algebra?
Andy Seaborne: how does this work with the rest of the algebra? ←
14:12:52 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:52 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:13:04 <chimezie> ... what about use of OPTIONAL, how do you roundtrip the blank nodes properly?
... what about use of OPTIONAL, how do you roundtrip the blank nodes properly? ←
14:13:26 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:15:00 <chimezie> Axel: SG is always determined before hand
Axel Polleres: SG is always determined before hand ←
14:15:00 <chimezie> ... so, blank nodes could differ from AG but uniquely determined module bnode mapping
... so, blank nodes could differ from AG but uniquely determined module bnode mapping ←
14:15:02 <AndyS> OK - I understand now
Andy Seaborne: OK - I understand now ←
14:15:11 <AxelPolleres> Axel: I understoo that the SG is unique for the whole query
Axel Polleres: I understoo that the SG is unique for the whole query [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:15:32 <AndyS> No need to change the text proposed.
Andy Seaborne: No need to change the text proposed. ←
14:15:38 <AxelPolleres> ... do we need to stress that?
Axel Polleres: ... do we need to stress that? ←
14:16:20 <chimezie> AndyS: fine with condition 1 as it is now
Andy Seaborne: fine with condition 1 as it is now ←
14:16:47 <chimezie> Axel: Each extension provides conditions to ensure finite answers
Axel Polleres: Each extension provides conditions to ensure finite answers ←
14:16:58 <chimezie> ... 1) finiteness 2) uniqueness up to blank node rephrasing
... 1) finiteness 2) uniqueness up to blank node rephrasing ←
14:16:59 <bglimm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html
Birte Glimm: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html ←
14:17:31 <bglimm> change from
Birte Glimm: change from ←
14:17:31 <bglimm> 4 -- Each SPARQL extension must provide conditions on answer sets
Birte Glimm: 4 -- Each SPARQL extension must provide conditions on answer sets ←
14:17:31 <bglimm> which guarantee that every BGP and AG has a finite set of answers
Birte Glimm: which guarantee that every BGP and AG has a finite set of answers ←
14:17:31 <bglimm> which is unique up to RDF graph equivalence.
Birte Glimm: which is unique up to RDF graph equivalence. ←
14:17:32 <bglimm> to
Birte Glimm: to ←
14:17:32 <bglimm> 4 -- Each SPARQL extension MUST provide conditions, which guarantee
Birte Glimm: 4 -- Each SPARQL extension MUST provide conditions, which guarantee ←
14:17:34 <bglimm> that the answer set for every BGP and AG is uniquely specified up to
Birte Glimm: that the answer set for every BGP and AG is uniquely specified up to ←
14:17:36 <bglimm> RDF graph equivalence, and SHOULD provide further conditions to
Birte Glimm: RDF graph equivalence, and SHOULD provide further conditions to ←
14:17:38 <bglimm> prevent trivial infinite answers as appropriate to the regime.
Birte Glimm: prevent trivial infinite answers as appropriate to the regime. ←
14:19:04 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:20:27 <chimezie> bglimm: need to say what the SG is and then what inferences you make, and then ensure the answers are the same where the only difference is blank node renaming
Birte Glimm: need to say what the SG is and then what inferences you make, and then ensure the answers are the same where the only difference is blank node renaming ←
14:20:49 <Zakim> + +1.312.863.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.863.aaii ←
14:20:50 <chimezie> AndyS: what is the role of blank nodes in SG, how can they vary?
Andy Seaborne: what is the role of blank nodes in SG, how can they vary? ←
14:20:57 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask about blank nodes
Axel Polleres: q+ to ask about blank nodes ←
14:20:59 <chimezie> bglimm: you can invent new ones
Birte Glimm: you can invent new ones ←
14:21:09 <pgearon> Zakim, aaii is me
Paula Gearon: Zakim, aaii is me ←
14:21:09 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it ←
14:23:33 <chimezie> P(BGP) is the answer set 'graph'
P(BGP) is the answer set 'graph' ←
14:25:06 <AxelPolleres> I think we can resolve on condition 1... we need a wording for condition 4.
Axel Polleres: I think we can resolve on condition 1... we need a wording for condition 4. ←
14:25:47 <chimezie> Axel: should we take this to the ML
Axel Polleres: should we take this to the ML ←
14:26:01 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: change Condition 1 as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html
PROPOSED: change Condition 1 as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html ←
14:26:35 <bglimm> 1 -- The scoping graph, SG, corresponding to any consistent active
Birte Glimm: 1 -- The scoping graph, SG, corresponding to any consistent active ←
14:26:35 <bglimm> graph AG is specified uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence and is
Birte Glimm: graph AG is specified uniquely up to RDF graph equivalence and is ←
14:26:35 <bglimm> E-equivalent to AG.
Birte Glimm: E-equivalent to AG. ←
14:26:56 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:27:09 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: change Condition 1 as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html
RESOLVED: change Condition 1 as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0055.html ←
14:27:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to reformulate Condition 4
ACTION: Birte to reformulate Condition 4 ←
14:27:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Reformulate Condition 4 [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-04-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-221 - Reformulate Condition 4 [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-04-27]. ←
14:27:55 <chimezie> Axel: next on agenda - issue 49
Axel Polleres: next on agenda - ISSUE-49 ←
14:27:56 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:27:58 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:28:11 <chimezie> ... Graphs as information resources, etc.
... Graphs as information resources, etc. ←
14:28:12 <AxelPolleres> topic: ISSUE-49
14:28:13 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0048.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0048.html ←
14:28:34 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:28:34 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←
14:29:05 <chimezie> Greg: I brought this up on behalf of Kjetl
Gregory Williams: I brought this up on behalf of Kjetl ←
14:29:11 <AndyS> "Information resource" => "A resource which has the property that all of its essential characteristics can be conveyed in a message." (AWWW)
Andy Seaborne: "Information resource" => "A resource which has the property that all of its essential characteristics can be conveyed in a message." (AWWW) ←
14:29:14 <chimezie> ... the definitions are loose, the wording should be cleared up
... the definitions are loose, the wording should be cleared up ←
14:29:35 <chimezie> ... distinction between graphs and IRI used to reference the graph or the IR serialized by the graph
... distinction between graphs and IRI used to reference the graph or the IR serialized by the graph ←
14:29:48 <chimezie> ... terminology is confusing
... terminology is confusing ←
14:29:50 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:29:56 <AxelPolleres> ack me
Axel Polleres: ack me ←
14:29:56 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about blank nodes
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about blank nodes ←
14:29:58 <chimezie> ... need to clear up the language
... need to clear up the language ←
14:30:21 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-get
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-get ←
14:31:39 <ivan> there is no serialization involved, is there?
Ivan Herman: there is no serialization involved, is there? ←
14:31:55 <chimezie> ... the distinction is important with regards to http-range-4
... the distinction is important with regards to http-range-14 ←
14:32:25 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:32:25 <chimezie> Axel: assumed that the issue was the use of the word equivalence
Axel Polleres: assumed that the issue was the use of the word equivalence ←
14:32:35 <AlexPassant> s/4/14
14:33:14 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0065.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0065.html ←
14:33:27 <AxelPolleres> This is equivalent to the following SPARQL query:
Axel Polleres: This is equivalent to the following SPARQL query: ←
14:33:27 <AxelPolleres>
14:33:28 <AxelPolleres> CONSTRUCT { ?s ?p ?o } WHERE { GRAPH <graph_uri> { ?s ?p ?o } }
Axel Polleres: CONSTRUCT { ?s ?p ?o } WHERE { GRAPH <graph_uri> { ?s ?p ?o } } ←
14:33:29 <chimezie> ... in the SPARQL 1.0 document, there is some confusion but it the uri does not reference the graph
... in the SPARQL 1.0 document, there is some confusion but it the uri does not reference the graph ←
14:33:45 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
14:33:48 <AxelPolleres> "This may be viewed equivalent to the following SPARQL query:
Axel Polleres: "This may be viewed equivalent to the following SPARQL query: ←
14:33:48 <AxelPolleres> CONSTRUCT { ?s ?p ?o } WHERE { GRAPH <graph_uri> { ?s ?p ?o } }
Axel Polleres: CONSTRUCT { ?s ?p ?o } WHERE { GRAPH <graph_uri> { ?s ?p ?o } } ←
14:33:49 <AxelPolleres> posed to a SPARQL endpoint which had any Web retrievable RDF graph in it's
Axel Polleres: posed to a SPARQL endpoint which had any Web retrievable RDF graph in it's ←
14:33:49 <AxelPolleres> <a href="referencetodefinition of Graph store in Update 1.1">Graph store</a>.
Axel Polleres: <a href="referencetodefinition of Graph store in Update 1.1">Graph store</a>. ←
14:33:49 <AxelPolleres> "
Axel Polleres: " ←
14:34:24 <kasei> <graph_uri>
Gregory Williams: <graph_uri> ←
14:35:50 <kasei> from SPARQL 1.0:
Gregory Williams: from SPARQL 1.0: ←
14:35:53 <kasei> """The FROM NAMED syntax suggests that the IRI identifies the corresponding graph, but the relationship between an IRI and a graph in an RDF dataset is indirect. The IRI identifies a resource, and the resource is represented by a graph (or, more precisely: by a document that serializes a graph)."""
Gregory Williams: """The FROM NAMED syntax suggests that the IRI identifies the corresponding graph, but the relationship between an IRI and a graph in an RDF dataset is indirect. The IRI identifies a resource, and the resource is represented by a graph (or, more precisely: by a document that serializes a graph).""" ←
14:39:59 <chimezie> "We recall from [SPARQL] that IRIs for RDF graphs in SPARQL queries identify a resource, and the resource is represented by a graph (or, more precisely: by a document that serializes a graph)"
"We recall from [SPARQL] that IRIs for RDF graphs in SPARQL queries identify a resource, and the resource is represented by a graph (or, more precisely: by a document that serializes a graph)" ←
14:40:38 <kasei> +1 AndyS
Gregory Williams: +1 AndyS ←
14:43:29 <kasei> the trouble is the parenthetical
Gregory Williams: the trouble is the parenthetical ←
14:43:40 <kasei> AndyS is talking about the parenthetical, Chimezie about the thing right before it.
Gregory Williams: AndyS is talking about the parenthetical, Chimezie about the thing right before it. ←
14:44:23 <AxelPolleres> could we type in a rephrasing?
Axel Polleres: could we type in a rephrasing? ←
14:45:05 <kasei> just merging the parenthetical back into the sentence would be a good start.
Gregory Williams: just merging the parenthetical back into the sentence would be a good start. ←
14:45:20 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
14:46:46 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to propose rewordings on mailinglist on http-protocol which clarify ISSUE-49
ACTION: chime to propose rewordings on mailinglist on http-protocol which clarify ISSUE-49 ←
14:46:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Propose rewordings on mailinglist on http-protocol which clarify ISSUE-49 [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-04-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-222 - Propose rewordings on mailinglist on http-protocol which clarify ISSUE-49 [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-04-27]. ←
14:46:58 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:47:34 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
14:47:36 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P35 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P35 is me ←
14:47:36 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:47:52 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:47:52 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:48:13 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#sec_graphStore
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#sec_graphStore ←
14:49:24 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:50:08 <AxelPolleres> topic: test suite
Summary: next time discuss Fed queries and publication schedule, all editors, let us know how far you are wrt. publication of next round!
14:50:29 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html ←
14:50:37 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:51:39 <chimezie> Axel: will need multiple manifests for testing framework
Axel Polleres: will need multiple manifests for testing framework ←
14:52:16 <chimezie> ... keep SPARQL 1.0 test cases as is and extend for 1.1 features?
... keep SPARQL 1.0 test cases as is and extend for 1.1 features? ←
14:53:17 <chimezie> ... my proposal is to include reference to old test cases - copying old manifest - and create new subdirectories for 1.1 features
... my proposal is to include reference to old test cases - copying old manifest - and create new subdirectories for 1.1 features ←
14:53:25 <chimezie> ... but still only have 1 manifest file that extends the old one
... but still only have 1 manifest file that extends the old one ←
14:53:58 <chimezie> Axel: what to do about update test cases?
Axel Polleres: what to do about update test cases? ←
14:54:27 <chimezie> ... update evaluation test cases need to cover different kinds of results: errors, results, etc..
... update evaluation test cases need to cover different kinds of results: errors, results, etc.. ←
14:54:40 <chimezie> ... need to also describe before and after status of the graph store
... need to also describe before and after status of the graph store ←
14:55:03 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html ←
14:56:21 <AxelPolleres> ... new properties ut:unnamedGraph, ut:namedGraph
Axel Polleres: ... new properties ut:unnamedGraph, ut:namedGraph ←
14:56:40 <AxelPolleres> ... ut:graph
Axel Polleres: ... ut:graph ←
14:56:44 <AxelPolleres> ... ut:named similar in spirit to sd: vocabulary, to describe graph store status.
Axel Polleres: ... ut:named similar in spirit to sd: vocabulary, to describe graph store status. ←
14:57:11 <AxelPolleres> ... objections? comments?
Axel Polleres: ... objections? comments? ←
14:57:34 <AxelPolleres> zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: zakim, pick a victim ←
14:57:34 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:57:55 <bglimm> I'll look and see how entailments could fit in
Birte Glimm: I'll look and see how entailments could fit in ←
14:57:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to look over http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html
ACTION: chime to look over http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html ←
14:57:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Look over http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-04-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-223 - Look over http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-04-27]. ←
14:58:25 <kasei> when are we scheduled for next publication?
Gregory Williams: when are we scheduled for next publication? ←
14:59:46 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check with editors what's the status of docs wrt. publication schedule
ACTION: axel to check with editors what's the status of docs wrt. publication schedule ←
14:59:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Check with editors what's the status of docs wrt. publication schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-224 - Check with editors what's the status of docs wrt. publication schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-27]. ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:00:36 <AxelPolleres> summary: next time discuss Fed queries and publication schedule, all editors, let us know how far you are wrt. publication of next round!
15:00:46 <MattPerry> quit
Matthew Perry: quit ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:00:47 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> -dcharbon2
Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2 ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:00:51 <AxelPolleres> chair: axel polleres
15:00:59 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
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15:01:01 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:01:04 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
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15:01:15 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> Attendees were +03539149aaaa, AxelPolleres, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, bglimm, Lee_Feigenbaum, +49.238.aadd, +0208439aaee, OlivierCorby, Ivan, +0208439aaff, +1.603.897.aagg, Souri,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +03539149aaaa, AxelPolleres, +1.518.276.aabb, kasei, bglimm, Lee_Feigenbaum, +49.238.aadd, +0208439aaee, OlivierCorby, Ivan, +0208439aaff, +1.603.897.aagg, Souri, ←
15:01:21 <kasei> sandro, any eta on the service description graph naming issue response?
Gregory Williams: sandro, any eta on the service description graph naming issue response? ←
15:01:28 <Zakim> ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH, +1.919.332.aahh, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, +1.312.863.aaii, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Chimezie_Ogbuji, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH, +1.919.332.aahh, dcharbon2, AlexPassant, +1.312.863.aaii, pgearon ←
15:02:14 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html
ACTION: axel to fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html ←
15:02:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html
ACTION: axel to fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html ←
15:02:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-225 - Fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-225 - Fix the example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-27]. ←
15:02:21 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:02:40 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:11:59 <LeeF> Are there any XML schema datatypes that have a value space that maintains precision (i.e. lexical forms "2.0" and "2.00" correspond to different values)?
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Lee Feigenbaum: Are there any XML schema datatypes that have a value space that maintains precision (i.e. lexical forms "2.0" and "2.00" correspond to different values)? ←
15:17:20 <kasei> ick
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Gregory Williams: ick ←
15:17:23 <SteveH> LeeF, string :)
Steve Harris: LeeF, string :) ←
15:20:00 <kasei> haha
Gregory Williams: haha ←
15:20:54 <LeeF> oy
Lee Feigenbaum: oy ←
15:21:00 <LeeF> what should i tell my scientist users? :)
Lee Feigenbaum: what should i tell my scientist users? :) ←
15:21:59 <SteveH> they should relax? ;)
Steve Harris: they should relax? ;) ←
15:22:11 <LeeF> lol
Lee Feigenbaum: lol ←
15:24:10 <LeeF> I'm going to tell them to call you, Steve.
Lee Feigenbaum: I'm going to tell them to call you, Steve. ←
15:32:27 <kasei> LeeF, why are you constrained to XSD? If you've got specific needs, why not make your own?
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Gregory Williams: LeeF, why are you constrained to XSD? If you've got specific needs, why not make your own? ←
16:12:05 <LeeF> because i don't want to invent a wheel on my own
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Lee Feigenbaum: because i don't want to invent a wheel on my own ←
16:12:45 <LeeF> i've got a bunch of software based around RDF (which means XSD as the basis for literal typing), and I'd like to support a use case that requires this, but it's not the core of what i do :)
Lee Feigenbaum: i've got a bunch of software based around RDF (which means XSD as the basis for literal typing), and I'd like to support a use case that requires this, but it's not the core of what i do :) ←
16:24:21 <SteveH> if they have "12.000"^^sci:number they can cast as appropriate
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Steve Harris: if they have "12.000"^^sci:number they can cast as appropriate ←
19:10:33 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:NH-1
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Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:NH-1 ←
19:10:37 <kasei> anyone want to glance over that?
Gregory Williams: anyone want to glance over that? ←
19:12:04 <kasei> Mostly concerned about the last paragraph. Not sure it's exactly "beyond the scope" of the SD work, but it's never been discussed before and I'm not sure there are any implementations (except NH's week-old one which brought up the issue) which do it.
Gregory Williams: Mostly concerned about the last paragraph. Not sure it's exactly "beyond the scope" of the SD work, but it's never been discussed before and I'm not sure there are any implementations (except NH's week-old one which brought up the issue) which do it. ←
19:12:38 <kasei> so worried about the timing and feature creep
Gregory Williams: so worried about the timing and feature creep ←
19:20:23 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-189
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Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-189 ←
19:20:23 <trackbot> ACTION-189 Get back to ivanh on the usabuility of POWDER for SD. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-189 Get back to ivanh on the usabuility of POWDER for SD. closed ←
19:20:26 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-214
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-214 ←
19:20:26 <trackbot> ACTION-214 Add ability to mark individual graphs with their entailment regime closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-214 Add ability to mark individual graphs with their entailment regime closed ←
19:22:19 <LeeF> kasei, I think that response is fine
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, I think that response is fine ←
19:22:40 <kasei> ok. the one thing I haven't addressed yet is his question about indicating parsable formats.
Gregory Williams: ok. the one thing I haven't addressed yet is his question about indicating parsable formats. ←
19:22:55 <kasei> we're now doing result formats, but not parsing formats.
Gregory Williams: we're now doing result formats, but not parsing formats. ←
19:23:11 <kasei> hesitant to keep adding things, but does seem like a strange asymmetry.
Gregory Williams: hesitant to keep adding things, but does seem like a strange asymmetry. ←
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