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RDF-in-XHTML TF

Minutes of 26 June 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0134.html

Seen

Unknown Manu, Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown msporny

Regrets

Unknown Ben, Unknown Michael

Chair

Unknown Manu

Scribe

Unknown Ralph

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Resolutions

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Topics

Tools for RDFa authors

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14:54:56 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc

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14:55:06 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF

14:55:11 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, this will be rdfa ←

14:55:13 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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14:55:24 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0134.html

14:55:39 <Ralph> Regrets: Ben, Michael

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14:57:34 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-19

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-19 ←

14:59:24 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:59:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:59:33 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller

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14:59:33 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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14:59:49 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:00:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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15:00:37 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

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15:00:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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15:00:48 <ShaneM> zakim, IPcaller.a is ShaneM

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15:00:48 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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15:01:17 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, code? ←

15:01:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:01:27 <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here?

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15:01:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Ralph, ShaneM

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15:01:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, msporny, myakura, ShaneM

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15:01:43 <Ralph> zakim, [ipcaller] is Manu

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15:01:49 <Zakim> +Manu; got it

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15:02:30 <Zakim> +??P55

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15:02:33 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

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15:02:33 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

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15:02:57 <Ralph> Chair: Manu

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15:03:00 <Ralph> Scribe: Ralph

(Scribe set to Unknown Ralph)

15:03:10 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:03:12 <Ralph> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:03:24 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:03:57 <Ralph> -- done

-- done ←

15:03:57 <Ralph> Manu: I've been talking with @@ and he said he'd be more than happy to accept a patch.

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Unknown Manu: I've been talking with Jamie McCarthy and he said he'd be more than happy to accept a patch. ←

15:04:11 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot

ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot ←

15:04:21 <msporny> Jamie McCarthy

Unknown msporny: Jamie McCarthy ←

15:04:30 <Ralph> s/@@/Jamie McCarthy/

15:05:08 <Ralph> Shane: operator only notices RDFa in a page if one of our new attributes is used in the page.  This is a bug.

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Unknown Shane: operator only notices RDFa in a page if one of our new attributes is used in the page. This is a bug. ←

15:05:25 <Ralph> Manu: I believe this implementation is Elias' code

Unknown Manu: I believe this implementation is Elias' code ←

15:05:39 <Ralph> ... may be a month or two behind the spec

... may be a month or two behind the spec ←

15:06:08 <Ralph> Shane: perhaps they decided that this was a clever way to infer an announcement

Unknown Shane: perhaps they decided that this was a clever way to infer an announcement ←

15:06:16 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:06:19 <Ralph> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:06:26 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

[DONE] ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←

15:06:42 <Ralph> Ralph: LGPL is OK for the XSLT, particularly since it's non-normative

Unknown Ralph: LGPL is OK for the XSLT, particularly since it's non-normative ←

15:07:00 <Ralph> Topic: Tools for RDFa authors

1. Tools for RDFa authors

15:07:15 <Ralph> Manu: we've received some criticism that we haven't provided enough teaching tools

Unknown Manu: we've received some criticism that we haven't provided enough teaching tools ←

15:07:21 <Ralph> ... we could create more wiki examples

... we could create more wiki examples ←

15:07:37 <Ralph> Shane: to some extent it's about design patterns

Unknown Shane: to some extent it's about design patterns ←

15:07:54 <Ralph> ... so one way to teach the technology is to show lots of best practices design patterns

... so one way to teach the technology is to show lots of best practices design patterns ←

15:08:01 <markbirbeck> you keep cutting out Shane

Unknown markbirbeck: you keep cutting out Shane ←

15:08:21 <Ralph> Shane: if you're a microformat user and want to transition to RDFa, what would you need to do?

Unknown Shane: if you're a microformat user and want to transition to RDFa, what would you need to do? ←

15:08:32 <Ralph> ... these are two different audiences and we may need to address them both

... these are two different audiences and we may need to address them both ←

15:08:44 <markbirbeck> q+

Unknown markbirbeck: q+ ←

15:09:02 <Ralph> ... might antagonize some, however

... might antagonize some, however ←

15:09:40 <Ralph> Mark: opinions can evolve over the years

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Unknown Mark: opinions can evolve over the years ←

15:10:16 <Ralph> ... we've offered an outreached hand to show how microformats can use parts of RDFa

... we've offered an outreached hand to show how microformats can use parts of RDFa ←

15:10:41 <Ralph> ... there's lots of momentum now [for RDFa]

... there's lots of momentum now [for RDFa] ←

15:11:51 <Ralph> ... I'd suggest making sure we've covered all the non-microformat examples first

... I'd suggest making sure we've covered all the non-microformat examples first ←

15:11:59 <Ralph> ... e.g. ones where there is no vocabulary

... e.g. ones where there is no vocabulary ←

15:12:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

15:12:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:12:21 <ShaneM> q+ about things that have RDF basis already

Unknown ShaneM: q+ about things that have RDF basis already ←

15:12:22 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:12:27 <Ralph> Manu: yes, there's some basic examples we don't yet have in the wiki

Unknown Manu: yes, there's some basic examples we don't yet have in the wiki ←

15:12:41 <Ralph> ... these are things people tend to mark-up often

... these are things people tend to mark-up often ←

15:13:03 <Ralph> ... effectively this is FOAF, vEvent; people+places+event

... effectively this is FOAF, vEvent; people+places+event ←

15:13:19 <Ralph> ... chemistry might be interesting; depends on our goals

... chemistry might be interesting; depends on our goals ←

15:13:41 <Ralph> ... definitely do chemistry if our goal is to help people who can't currently use microformats

... definitely do chemistry if our goal is to help people who can't currently use microformats ←

15:14:11 <Ralph> ... other examples are higher priority if our goal is to address large numbers of users

... other examples are higher priority if our goal is to address large numbers of users ←

15:14:24 <Ralph> Mark: geolocation also nice and simple

Unknown Mark: geolocation also nice and simple ←

15:14:25 <ShaneM> GEO location is dead easy, fwiw.

Unknown ShaneM: GEO location is dead easy, fwiw. ←

15:15:09 <Steven> rrsagent, here?

Unknown Steven: rrsagent, here? ←

15:15:09 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-15-09

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-15-09 ←

15:15:15 <Ralph> Shane: Dan Brickley's geolocation vocabulary "just works"

Unknown Shane: Dan Brickley's geolocation vocabulary "just works" ←

15:15:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

Unknown Steven: rrsagent, make log public ←

15:15:48 <ShaneM> There are some existing vocabularies that just work....  let's use them in our examples

Unknown ShaneM: There are some existing vocabularies that just work.... let's use them in our examples ←

15:15:48 <Ralph> Shane: the cool thing is that we didn't have to do anything in RDFa; the RDF vocabulary just worked

Unknown Shane: the cool thing is that we didn't have to do anything special in RDFa; the RDF vocabulary just worked ←

15:16:05 <Ralph> s/anything/anything special/

15:16:21 <Ralph> Manu: can we pick 5 or six to work on for the wiki and each pick one?

Unknown Manu: can we pick 5 or six to work on for the wiki and each pick one? ←

15:16:29 <Steven> I did Vevent already

Unknown Steven: I did Vevent already ←

15:16:35 <Ralph> ... I'll take haudio plus one other, perhaps foaf or vevent

... I'll take haudio plus one other, perhaps foaf or vevent ←

15:16:36 <Steven> Happy to expand

Unknown Steven: Happy to expand ←

15:16:38 <Ralph> Mark: I'll take foaf

Unknown Mark: I'll take foaf ←

15:17:12 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki

ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki ←

15:17:19 <Ralph> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki ←

15:17:27 <Ralph> ACTION: Steven write vevent examples for wiki

ACTION: Steven write vevent examples for wiki ←

15:17:38 <markbirbeck> http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2008/02/first-steps-in-rdfa-creating-foaf.html

Unknown markbirbeck: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2008/02/first-steps-in-rdfa-creating-foaf.html ←

15:17:40 <Ralph> ACTION: Shane write geolocation examples for wiki

ACTION: Shane write geolocation examples for wiki ←

15:17:53 <Ralph> Shane: "the wiki" means which wiki?

Unknown Shane: "the wiki" means which wiki? ←

15:17:57 <Ralph> Manu: rdfa.info/wiki

Unknown Manu: rdfa.info/wiki ←

15:18:17 <ShaneM> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Wiki

Unknown ShaneM: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Wiki ←

15:19:05 <Ralph> Manu: the short form we prefer to cite is http://rdfa.info/wiki

Unknown Manu: the short form we prefer to cite is http://rdfa.info/wiki ←

15:19:19 <Ralph> ... go to Tutorials; add examples there

... go to Tutorials; add examples there ←

15:19:39 <Ralph> Shane: I don't seem to have edit access

Unknown Shane: I don't seem to have edit access ←

15:19:44 <Ralph> Manu: I'll check the permissions

Unknown Manu: I'll check the permissions ←

15:19:59 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu check edit permissions on rdfa.info/wiki

ACTION: Manu check edit permissions on rdfa.info/wiki ←

15:20:54 <Ralph> Shane: there is an hcard example already, but how about vcard ?

Unknown Shane: there is an hcard example already, but how about vcard ? ←

15:21:26 <Ralph> Mark: superceded by foaf?

Unknown Mark: superceded by foaf? ←

15:21:38 <Ralph> Manu: some (large?) overlap but there are differences

Unknown Manu: some (large?) overlap but there are differences ←

15:21:49 <Ralph> Mark: but foaf has deployment and vcard really doesn't

Unknown Mark: but foaf has deployment and vcard really doesn't ←

15:22:01 <Ralph> Shane: how about RSS?

Unknown Shane: how about RSS? ←

15:22:08 <Steven> +1 to RSS

Unknown Steven: +1 to RSS ←

15:22:15 <Steven> +100 to RSS in fact

Unknown Steven: +100 to RSS in fact ←

15:22:20 <Ralph> Mark: SearchMonkey has an RSS+RDFa mode

Unknown Mark: SearchMonkey has an RSS+RDFa mode ←

15:22:40 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa ←

15:22:57 <ShaneM> FWIW I tried to do some RSS annotation in this page: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/

Unknown ShaneM: FWIW I tried to do some RSS annotation in this page: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/ ←

15:23:24 <Ralph> Manu: next can think about some javascript tools to generate the markup for some of these

Unknown Manu: next can think about some javascript tools to generate the markup for some of these ←

15:23:39 <Ralph> ... would be nice to have a unified architecture to create these wizards

... would be nice to have a unified architecture to create these wizards ←

15:24:08 <Ralph> ... is there something already in existence we could use for this?

... is there something already in existence we could use for this? ←

15:24:26 <Ralph> Mark: yes, we have an ajax library that would be suitable

Unknown Mark: yes, we have an ajax library that would be suitable ←

15:24:48 <Ralph> Manu: extensible to other formats?

Unknown Manu: extensible to other formats? ←

15:24:50 <Ralph> Mark: yes

Unknown Mark: yes ←

15:25:19 <Ralph> ... new version no longer requires a browser plug-in

... new version no longer requires a browser plug-in ←

15:25:31 <Ralph> ... might be ready within the next month

... might be ready within the next month ←

15:25:53 <Ralph> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning ←

15:27:47 <Ralph> Manu: anything we want to work with MikeK on operator?

Unknown Manu: anything we want to work with MikeK on operator? ←

15:28:04 <Ralph> Shane: he's focusing right now on changing the way operators are invoked

Unknown Shane: he's focusing right now on changing the way operators are invoked ←

15:28:30 <Ralph> ... I'd like to see a way to map in well-known handlers for RDF vocabularies

... I'd like to see a way to map in well-known handlers for RDF vocabularies ←

15:28:44 <Ralph> ... unfortunately they don't currently detect all RDFa

... unfortunately they don't currently detect all RDFa ←

15:29:12 <Ralph> Manu: Mike has been very open to accepting patches

Unknown Manu: Mike has been very open to accepting patches ←

15:29:21 <Ralph> ... he'd really like someone to collaborate with him

... he'd really like someone to collaborate with him ←

15:30:25 <Ralph> ... anyone have any spare cycles to work with him?

... anyone have any spare cycles to work with him? ←

15:31:34 <Ralph> Mark: my plan is to finish what I've been working on and document it

Unknown Mark: my plan is to finish what I've been working on and document it ←

15:31:56 <Ralph> ... once it's working, I will throw it open for discussion

... once it's working, I will throw it open for discussion ←

15:32:15 <Ralph> ... I have formats for jason, for sparql, ...

... I have formats for jason, for sparql, ... ←

15:32:45 <Ralph> ... I'd be happy to talk with Mike after I have this stable and working

... I'd be happy to talk with Mike after I have this stable and working ←

15:33:31 <Ralph> Manu: the demos you did, Mark, in your Google talk would make wonderful 5-minute snips

Unknown Manu: the demos you did, Mark, in your Google talk would make wonderful 5-minute snips ←

15:33:42 <Ralph> ... to help people 'get' RDFa and why it's so useful

... to help people 'get' RDFa and why it's so useful ←

15:33:57 <Ralph> Steven: Ben had some demos about adding RDFa to digg and others

Unknown Steven: Ben had some demos about adding RDFa to digg and others ←

15:34:16 <Ralph> ... at least, I heard that he did

... at least, I heard that he did ←

15:34:44 <Ralph> Mark: may be a demo that I did

Unknown Mark: may be a demo that I did ←

15:34:45 <markbirbeck> http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-rdfa/wiki/TutorialIntroduction

Unknown markbirbeck: http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-rdfa/wiki/TutorialIntroduction ←

15:36:16 <Ralph> Manu: my suggestion is several 5-minute screencasts

Unknown Manu: my suggestion is several 5-minute screencasts ←

15:37:54 <msporny> Shane: xvidcap + Blender + audacity

Unknown Manu: to create screencasts, I use xvidcap + Blender + audacity [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←

15:38:33 <Ralph> s/Shane:/Manu: to create screencasts, I use/

15:39:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:39:09 <Steven> +1

Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:39:48 <Steven> Tidy for f

Unknown Steven: Tidy for f ←

15:39:57 <Ralph> Manu: what do you think about Ben's idea to create a web service that accepts an HTML page containing microformat data and outputting an RDFa formatted page?

Unknown Manu: what do you think about Ben's idea to create a web service that accepts an HTML page containing microformat data and outputting an RDFa formatted page? ←

15:40:05 <Ralph> ufTidy :)

ufTidy :) ←

15:40:33 <Ralph> Shane: we only define RDFa in the context of XHTML

Unknown Shane: we only define RDFa in the context of XHTML ←

15:40:46 <Ralph> ... most uf users are using HTML, not XHTML

... most uf users are using HTML, not XHTML ←

15:41:03 <Ralph> ... tidy does an ok job of trying really hard to fix HTML, but it can break it

... tidy does an ok job of trying really hard to fix HTML, but it can break it ←

15:41:53 <Ralph> ... [unfortunately] there's a perception out there that XHTML isn't sufficiently portable

... [unfortunately] there's a perception out there that XHTML isn't sufficiently portable ←

15:42:23 <Ralph> Mark: I give priority to getting RDFa into drupal, flickr, upcoming.org, etc.

Unknown Mark: I give priority to getting RDFa into drupal, flickr, upcoming.org, etc. ←

15:43:12 <Ralph> Manu: I agree with Mark.  Don't want to reignite a uf vs. RDFa war

Unknown Manu: I agree with Mark. Don't want to reignite a uf vs. RDFa war ←

15:43:46 <Ralph> ... let's focus on getting people to use RDFa rather than converting people who are using uf

... let's focus on getting people to use RDFa rather than converting people who are using uf ←

15:44:07 <Ralph> Shane: one way to get a bigger win is to approach the tool and environment maintainers

Unknown Shane: one way to get a bigger win is to approach the tool and environment maintainers ←

15:44:19 <Ralph> ... let's help them

... let's help them ←

15:44:33 <Ralph> ... operator is a priority for me because it enables the _use_ of RDFa

... operator is a priority for me because it enables the _use_ of RDFa ←

15:45:10 <Ralph> ... getting _browsers_ to do something with RDF[a] will make RDF[a] truly useful

... getting _browsers_ to do something with RDF[a] will make RDF[a] truly useful ←

15:45:26 <Ralph> Steven: travel sites can offer a link to book a hotel and earn money

Unknown Steven: travel sites can offer a link to book a hotel and earn money ←

15:45:43 <Ralph> ... if someone books a flight or a hotel by following a link in a browser

... if someone books a flight or a hotel by following a link in a browser ←

15:45:59 <Ralph> ... RDFa provides a model for earning money this way

... RDFa provides a model for earning money this way ←

15:49:06 <Ralph> Manu: how about the MSIE folk?

Unknown Manu: how about the MSIE folk? ←

15:49:21 <Ralph> Shane: MSIE doesn't really support XHTML yet

Unknown Shane: MSIE doesn't really support XHTML yet ←

15:50:22 <Ralph> ... however, it would not take very long to define an HTML profile for RDFa

... however, it would not take very long to define an HTML profile for RDFa ←

15:50:57 <Ralph> Steven: there's no reason why browsers couldn't recognize @xmlns: even if they think the document is HTML

Unknown Steven: there's no reason why browsers couldn't recognize @xmlns: even if they think the document is HTML ←

15:51:02 <Ralph> ... it's just a token

... it's just a token ←

15:51:19 <Ralph> ... we don't really require namespace processing in the DOM

... we don't really require namespace processing in the DOM ←

15:51:30 <Ralph> ... the current javascript stuff is all working on the DOM already

... the current javascript stuff is all working on the DOM already ←

15:52:08 <Ralph> Shane: @lang vs. @xml:lang

Unknown Shane: @lang vs. @xml:lang ←

15:52:13 <Ralph> Mark: yeah, that's a tricky one

Unknown Mark: yeah, that's a tricky one ←

15:52:40 <Ralph> ... MSIE actually disallows checking for @xml:lang, though it does allow other @xml:* attributes

... MSIE actually disallows checking for @xml:lang, though it does allow other @xml:* attributes ←

15:55:28 <Ralph> [adjourned]

[adjourned] ←

15:55:42 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

15:55:45 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:55:46 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

15:55:48 <Zakim> -Manu

Zakim IRC Bot: -Manu ←

15:55:48 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←

15:55:48 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

15:55:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, ShaneM, Manu, markbirbeck, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, ShaneM, Manu, markbirbeck, Steven ←

15:55:54 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

15:55:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←

15:55:55 <Ralph> zakim, bye

zakim, bye ←

15:56:26 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

rrsagent, bye ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [1]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [1] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-03-10

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-03-10 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [2]

ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] [2] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-03-24

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-03-24 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [3]

ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [3] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-04-11

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-04-11 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [4]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] [4] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-06-16

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-06-16 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [5]

ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [5] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-12

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-12 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [6]

ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [6] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-19

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-19 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven write vevent examples for wiki [7]

ACTION: Steven write vevent examples for wiki [7] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-27

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-27 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane write geolocation examples for wiki [8]

ACTION: Shane write geolocation examples for wiki [8] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-40

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-17-40 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu check edit permissions on rdfa.info/wiki [9]

ACTION: Manu check edit permissions on rdfa.info/wiki [9] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-19-59

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-19-59 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [10]

ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [10] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-22-40

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-22-40 ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [11]

ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [11] ←

15:56:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-25-53

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-irc#T15-25-53 ←

15:56:36 <msporny> Thanks for scribing yet again, Ralph! :)

Unknown msporny: Thanks for scribing yet again, Ralph! :) ←

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