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14:02:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:02:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:02:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:02:45 <trackbot> Date: 16 March 2015
14:03:38 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:04:59 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here? ←
14:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro ←
14:05:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, deiu, TallTed, tommorris_, ericP, Yves, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, deiu, TallTed, tommorris_, ericP, Yves, trackbot ←
14:06:38 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
<deui> chair: Arnaud
<deui> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.03.16
14:07:03 <deiu> Topic: Admin
<deiu> Proposed: approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02
PROPOSED: approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02 ←
14:07:19 <deiu> Arnaud: any objections?
Arnaud Le Hors: any objections? ←
14:07:21 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:07:27 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:07:27 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:07:29 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:07:29 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:07:32 <deiu> … Hearing none, the next meeting will be on March 30th
… Hearing none, the next meeting will be on March 30th ←
<deiu> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02
RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02 ←
14:08:39 <deiu> Topic: Paging
14:08:59 <deiu> Arnaud: a bit of bad news… unfortunately, Steve has left IBM
Arnaud Le Hors: a bit of bad news… unfortunately, Steve has left IBM ←
14:09:20 <deiu> …I’m in contact with his group at IBM, so I can get feedback from them
…I’m in contact with his group at IBM, so I can get feedback from them ←
14:09:40 <deiu> …but I will only do this if people have implementation and still want to continue working on it
…but I will only do this if people have implementation and still want to continue working on it ←
14:10:14 <deiu> …I thought Steve was about to write the test suite, but now it’s not going to happen
…I thought Steve was about to write the test suite, but now it’s not going to happen ←
14:10:27 <deiu> …FYI, he’s now at RedHat
…FYI, he’s now at RedHat ←
14:10:39 <deiu> Ashok: what happened John Arwe?
Ashok Malhotra: what happened John Arwe? ←
14:10:50 <deiu> Arnaud: he’s still at IBM but he’s changed jobs
Arnaud Le Hors: he’s still at IBM but he’s changed jobs ←
14:11:12 <deiu> …at this point I’m the only one from IBM still involved in LDP
…at this point I’m the only one from IBM still involved in LDP ←
14:11:36 <deiu> …I’m afraid paging will end up as a WG Note
…I’m afraid paging will end up as a WG Note ←
14:11:42 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format
14:12:05 <deiu> Arnaud: i18n have raised 3 issues
Arnaud Le Hors: i18n have raised 3 issues ←
14:12:27 <deiu> …I got confused since they refer to section numbers that don’t really match the spec
…I got confused since they refer to section numbers that don’t really match the spec ←
14:13:41 <deiu> …I realized when I put the agenda together, the statement doesn’t correspond to section 2.7 at all
…I realized when I put the agenda together, the statement doesn’t correspond to section 2.7 at all ←
14:15:18 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:16:12 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:16:12 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:17:00 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa ←
14:17:29 <deiu> Arnaud: so we’re looking at issue-409, re. string matching rules
Arnaud Le Hors: so we’re looking at ISSUE-409, re. string matching rules ←
14:18:04 <deiu> ericP: there’s no normalization taking place in RDF
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there’s no normalization taking place in RDF ←
14:18:33 <deiu> Arnaud: our answer to the question is then “no”?
Arnaud Le Hors: our answer to the question is then “no”? ←
14:18:36 <deiu> ericP: Yes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes ←
14:19:41 <deiu> Arnaud: so we say that our tentative resolution is to say that there’s no normalization currently happening in RDF
Arnaud Le Hors: so we say that our tentative resolution is to say that there’s no normalization currently happening in RDF ←
14:20:32 <deiu> TallTed: I just want to make sure that we’re not just addressing the example here
Ted Thibodeau: I just want to make sure that we’re not just addressing the example here ←
14:20:50 <deiu> …the response to him doesn’t focus on normalization per-se
…the response to him doesn’t focus on normalization per-se ←
14:22:33 <deiu> Arnaud: let’s look at issue-410
Arnaud Le Hors: let’s look at ISSUE-410 ←
14:23:13 <deiu> …they say “you might want to consider”..that’s pretty week. It sounds like a low hanging fruit.
…they say “you might want to consider”..that’s pretty week. It sounds like a low hanging fruit. ←
14:23:27 <deiu> …I’d be inclied to just say yes to this comment
…I’d be inclied to just say yes to this comment ←
14:24:39 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#h2_sec-parsing Turtle refs BCP47 for language tags
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#h2_sec-parsing Turtle refs BCP47 for language tags ←
14:25:03 <deiu> pchampin: I just want to make sure that there is no contradiction wrt to Turtle
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I just want to make sure that there is no contradiction wrt to Turtle ←
14:25:50 <TallTed> roughly change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]"
Ted Thibodeau: roughly change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]" ←
14:26:33 <deiu> Arnaud: next is issue-411
Arnaud Le Hors: next is ISSUE-411 ←
14:26:42 <deiu> … we had a bit of an exchange on the list about it
… we had a bit of an exchange on the list about it ←
14:27:17 <deiu> ericP: I’m not entirely sure about this one
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I’m not entirely sure about this one ←
14:27:32 <deiu> Ashok: there’s a mention to whitespace in the XML spec
Ashok Malhotra: there’s a mention to whitespace in the XML spec ←
14:27:48 <deiu> ericP: yes, that’s what we used in SPARQL and Turtle
Eric Prud'hommeaux: yes, that’s what we used in SPARQL and Turtle ←
14:28:38 <deiu> …my feeling is that they might be content with the discussion we had on the list
…my feeling is that they might be content with the discussion we had on the list ←
14:29:02 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe you should reply to make sure we’re maintaining the status quo
Arnaud Le Hors: maybe you should reply to make sure we’re maintaining the status quo ←
14:29:26 <deiu> …ok, so that takes care of comments. How’s the test suite coming along?
…ok, so that takes care of comments. How’s the test suite coming along? ←
14:29:31 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite
Pierre-Antoine Champin: https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite ←
14:29:37 <deiu> pchampin: it’s pretty much complete
Pierre-Antoine Champin: it’s pretty much complete ←
14:29:46 <deiu> …500+ tests, mostly coming from Turtle
…500+ tests, mostly coming from Turtle ←
14:30:33 <deiu> …I think it’s complete now, my (python) implementation passes. I’m still waiting for news from Alexandre
…I think it’s complete now, my (python) implementation passes. I’m still waiting for news from Alexandre ←
14:30:45 <deiu> ericP: is it because of utf16?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: is it because of utf16? ←
14:30:50 <deiu> pchampin: yes..
Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes.. ←
14:31:02 <deiu> …now we need to write a note about reports
…now we need to write a note about implementation reports ←
14:31:11 <deiu> s/reports/implementation reports/
14:31:32 <deiu> ericP: the LDP wiki pages has instructions on how to submit reports
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the LDP wiki pages has instructions on how to submit reports ←
14:32:04 <deiu> … in the future we will handle most of this stuff through the wiki
… in the future we will handle most of this stuff through the wiki ←
14:32:21 <deiu> pchampin: ok, so then I guess I’ll start with the wiki page
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ok, so then I guess I’ll start with the wiki page ←
14:32:51 <deiu> sandro: let’s make sure we don’t put this on the LDP page, on a general wiki
Sandro Hawke: let’s make sure we don’t put this on the LDP page, but on a general wiki ←
14:32:52 <deiu> s/on a/but on a/
14:33:08 <deiu> sandro: since the LDP wiki will be frozen after LDP ends
Sandro Hawke: since the LDP wiki will be frozen after LDP ends ←
14:33:20 <deiu> …w3.org/wiki/ldpatch-testing?
…w3.org/wiki/ldpatch-testing? ←
14:34:52 <deiu> pchampin: I’ll put it on the w3.org wiki then
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I’ll put it on the w3.org wiki then ←
14:34:59 <deiu> Arnaud: anything else re. LD Patch?
Arnaud Le Hors: anything else re. LD Patch? ←
14:35:04 <deiu> *crickets*
*crickets* ←
14:36:33 <deiu> Topic: LDP Primer
14:36:57 <deiu> sandro: Nandana is supposed to be working on it
Sandro Hawke: Nandana is supposed to be working on it ←
14:37:04 <deiu> Arnaud: Ok
Arnaud Le Hors: Ok ←
14:37:12 <deiu> Topic: LDP workshop
14:37:29 <deiu> Ashok: I’d like some help in sending out details and announcements to other groups
Ashok Malhotra: I’d like some help in sending out details and announcements to other groups ←
14:38:16 <deiu> Arnaud: it’s not clear to me how many people know at this point
Arnaud Le Hors: it’s not clear to me how many people know at this point ←
14:38:36 <deiu> …I don’t have access now, but on Friday there were a handful of people listed
…I don’t have access now, but on Friday there were a handful of people listed ←
14:39:14 <deiu> sandro: maybe you can also list yourself (and cancel later if you can’t make it)
Sandro Hawke: maybe you can also list yourself (and cancel later if you can’t make it) ←
14:39:32 <deiu> Ashok: have you sent this information to the Social WG?
Ashok Malhotra: have you sent this information to the Social WG? ←
14:39:49 <deiu> Arnaud: there are several communities like that we should contact
Arnaud Le Hors: there are several communities like that we should contact ←
14:40:18 <deiu> …the issue I see, for example, is convincing people to travel there
…the issue I see, for example, is convincing people to travel there ←
14:40:46 <deiu> Ashok: that’s why we need to send the announcements as earlier as possible
Ashok Malhotra: that’s why we need to send the announcements as earlier as possible ←
14:41:21 <deiu> ericP: are there any business groups at W3C that are related?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: are there any business groups at W3C that are related? ←
14:41:42 <deiu> sandro: I’m looking at the wiki page and feeling a bit self-conscious about sending this to people
Sandro Hawke: I’m looking at the wiki page and feeling a bit self-conscious about sending this to people ←
14:41:53 <deiu> …I feel like it doesn’t speak to people who are not in the WG
…I feel like it doesn’t speak to people who are not in the WG ←
14:42:39 <deiu> Ashok: some suggestions might have gone “lost"
Ashok Malhotra: some suggestions might have gone “lost" ←
14:42:59 <deiu> ericP: maybe something along the lines of “LDP offers a way to increase the reuse of data”
Eric Prud'hommeaux: maybe something along the lines of “LDP offers a way to increase the reuse of data” ←
14:43:32 <deiu> Arnaud: there should be a general introduction of LDP
Arnaud Le Hors: there should be a general introduction of LDP ←
14:45:20 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, anything else?
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, anything else? ←
14:46:20 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4)
ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) ←
14:46:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23]. ←
14:47:11 <deiu> ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410
ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 ←
14:47:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Change reference to "bcp47 [ref], as used by turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-issue-410 [on Andrei Sambra - due 2015-03-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-156 - Change reference to "bcp47 [ref], as used by turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [on Andrei Sambra - due 2015-03-23]. ←
14:48:12 <deiu> Arnaud: let’s close on this. See you all soon!
Arnaud Le Hors: let’s close on this. See you all soon! ←
14:48:13 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:48:15 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
14:48:15 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch
ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch ←
14:48:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in ldp patch [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-157 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in ldp patch [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23]. ←
14:48:16 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:48:18 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:48:20 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
14:48:23 <deiu> [Adjourned]
[Adjourned] ←
14:48:24 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:48:25 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:48:40 <deiu> trackbot: end meeting
Trackbot IRC Bot: end meeting ←
14:48:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
14:48:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro, TallTed, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro, TallTed, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin ←
14:48:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
14:48:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
14:48:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-actions.rdf : ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [1]
ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [1] ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-46-20
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-46-20 ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [2]
ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [2] ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-47-11
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-47-11 ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch [3]
ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch [3] ←
14:48:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-48-15-1
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-48-15-1 ←
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