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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 16 March 2015

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.03.16
Seen
Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Robert Sanderson, Sandro Hawke, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Andrei Sambra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02 link
Topics
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14:02:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:02:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:02:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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14:02:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:02:45 <trackbot> Date: 16 March 2015
14:03:38 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:04:59 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?

Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here?

14:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro

14:05:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, deiu, TallTed, tommorris_, ericP, Yves, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, deiu, TallTed, tommorris_, ericP, Yves, trackbot

14:06:38 <deiu> scribenick: deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

<deui> chair: Arnaud
<deui> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.03.16
14:07:03 <deiu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

<deiu> Proposed: approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02

PROPOSED: approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02

14:07:19 <deiu> Arnaud: any objections?

Arnaud Le Hors: any objections?

14:07:21 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:07:27 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:07:27 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

14:07:29 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:07:29 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:07:32 <deiu> … Hearing none, the next meeting will be on March 30th

… Hearing none, the next meeting will be on March 30th

<deiu> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02

RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-03-02

14:08:39 <deiu> Topic: Paging

2. Paging

14:08:59 <deiu> Arnaud: a bit of bad news… unfortunately, Steve has left IBM

Arnaud Le Hors: a bit of bad news… unfortunately, Steve has left IBM

14:09:20 <deiu> …I’m in contact with his group at IBM, so I can get feedback from them

…I’m in contact with his group at IBM, so I can get feedback from them

14:09:40 <deiu> …but I will only do this if people have implementation and still want to continue working on it

…but I will only do this if people have implementation and still want to continue working on it

14:10:14 <deiu> …I thought Steve was about to write the test suite, but now it’s not going to happen

…I thought Steve was about to write the test suite, but now it’s not going to happen

14:10:27 <deiu> …FYI, he’s now at RedHat

…FYI, he’s now at RedHat

14:10:39 <deiu> Ashok: what happened John Arwe?

Ashok Malhotra: what happened John Arwe?

14:10:50 <deiu> Arnaud: he’s still at IBM but he’s changed jobs

Arnaud Le Hors: he’s still at IBM but he’s changed jobs

14:11:12 <deiu> …at this point I’m the only one from IBM still involved in LDP

…at this point I’m the only one from IBM still involved in LDP

14:11:36 <deiu> …I’m afraid paging will end up as a WG Note

…I’m afraid paging will end up as a WG Note

14:11:42 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format

3. LD Patch format

14:12:05 <deiu> Arnaud: i18n have raised 3 issues

Arnaud Le Hors: i18n have raised 3 issues

14:12:27 <deiu> …I got confused since they refer to section numbers that don’t really match the spec

…I got confused since they refer to section numbers that don’t really match the spec

14:13:41 <deiu> …I realized when I put the agenda together, the statement doesn’t correspond to section 2.7 at all

…I realized when I put the agenda together, the statement doesn’t correspond to section 2.7 at all

14:15:18 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:16:12 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:16:12 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:17:00 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

14:17:29 <deiu> Arnaud: so we’re looking at issue-409, re. string matching rules

Arnaud Le Hors: so we’re looking at ISSUE-409, re. string matching rules

14:18:04 <deiu> ericP: there’s no normalization taking place in RDF

Eric Prud'hommeaux: there’s no normalization taking place in RDF

14:18:33 <deiu> Arnaud: our answer to the question is then “no”?

Arnaud Le Hors: our answer to the question is then “no”?

14:18:36 <deiu> ericP: Yes

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes

14:19:41 <deiu> Arnaud: so we say that our tentative resolution is to say that there’s no normalization currently happening in RDF

Arnaud Le Hors: so we say that our tentative resolution is to say that there’s no normalization currently happening in RDF

14:20:32 <deiu> TallTed: I just want to make sure that we’re not just addressing the example here

Ted Thibodeau: I just want to make sure that we’re not just addressing the example here

14:20:50 <deiu> …the response to him doesn’t focus on normalization per-se

…the response to him doesn’t focus on normalization per-se

14:22:33 <deiu> Arnaud: let’s look at issue-410

Arnaud Le Hors: let’s look at ISSUE-410

14:23:13 <deiu> …they say “you might want to consider”..that’s pretty week. It sounds like a low hanging fruit.

…they say “you might want to consider”..that’s pretty week. It sounds like a low hanging fruit.

14:23:27 <deiu> …I’d be inclied to just say yes to this comment

…I’d be inclied to just say yes to this comment

14:24:39 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#h2_sec-parsing Turtle refs BCP47 for language tags

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#h2_sec-parsing Turtle refs BCP47 for language tags

14:25:03 <deiu> pchampin: I just want to make sure that there is no contradiction wrt to Turtle

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I just want to make sure that there is no contradiction wrt to Turtle

14:25:50 <TallTed> roughly change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]"

Ted Thibodeau: roughly change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]"

14:26:33 <deiu> Arnaud: next is issue-411

Arnaud Le Hors: next is ISSUE-411

14:26:42 <deiu> … we had a bit of an exchange on the list about it

… we had a bit of an exchange on the list about it

14:27:17 <deiu> ericP: I’m not entirely sure about this one

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I’m not entirely sure about this one

14:27:32 <deiu> Ashok: there’s a mention to whitespace in the XML spec

Ashok Malhotra: there’s a mention to whitespace in the XML spec

14:27:48 <deiu> ericP: yes, that’s what we used in SPARQL and Turtle

Eric Prud'hommeaux: yes, that’s what we used in SPARQL and Turtle

14:28:38 <deiu> …my feeling is that they might be content with the discussion we had on the list

…my feeling is that they might be content with the discussion we had on the list

14:29:02 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe you should reply to make sure we’re maintaining the status quo

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe you should reply to make sure we’re maintaining the status quo

14:29:26 <deiu> …ok, so that takes care of comments. How’s the test suite coming along?

…ok, so that takes care of comments. How’s the test suite coming along?

14:29:31 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite

Pierre-Antoine Champin: https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite

14:29:37 <deiu> pchampin: it’s pretty much complete

Pierre-Antoine Champin: it’s pretty much complete

14:29:46 <deiu> …500+ tests, mostly coming from Turtle

…500+ tests, mostly coming from Turtle

14:30:33 <deiu> …I think it’s complete now, my (python) implementation passes. I’m still waiting for news from Alexandre

…I think it’s complete now, my (python) implementation passes. I’m still waiting for news from Alexandre

14:30:45 <deiu> ericP: is it because of utf16?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: is it because of utf16?

14:30:50 <deiu> pchampin: yes..

Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes..

14:31:02 <deiu> …now we need to write a note about reports

…now we need to write a note about implementation reports

14:31:11 <deiu> s/reports/implementation reports/
14:31:32 <deiu> ericP: the LDP wiki pages has instructions on how to submit reports

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the LDP wiki pages has instructions on how to submit reports

14:32:04 <deiu> … in the future we will handle most of this stuff through the wiki

… in the future we will handle most of this stuff through the wiki

14:32:21 <deiu> pchampin: ok, so then I guess I’ll start with the wiki page

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ok, so then I guess I’ll start with the wiki page

14:32:51 <deiu> sandro: let’s make sure we don’t put this on the LDP page, on a general wiki

Sandro Hawke: let’s make sure we don’t put this on the LDP page, but on a general wiki

14:32:52 <deiu> s/on a/but on a/
14:33:08 <deiu> sandro: since the LDP wiki will be frozen after LDP ends

Sandro Hawke: since the LDP wiki will be frozen after LDP ends

14:33:20 <deiu> …w3.org/wiki/ldpatch-testing?

…w3.org/wiki/ldpatch-testing?

14:34:52 <deiu> pchampin: I’ll put it on the w3.org wiki then

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I’ll put it on the w3.org wiki then

14:34:59 <deiu> Arnaud: anything else re. LD Patch?

Arnaud Le Hors: anything else re. LD Patch?

14:35:04 <deiu> *crickets*

*crickets*

14:36:33 <deiu> Topic: LDP Primer

4. LDP Primer

14:36:57 <deiu> sandro: Nandana is supposed to be working on it

Sandro Hawke: Nandana is supposed to be working on it

14:37:04 <deiu> Arnaud: Ok

Arnaud Le Hors: Ok

14:37:12 <deiu> Topic: LDP workshop

5. LDP workshop

14:37:29 <deiu> Ashok: I’d like some help in sending out details and announcements to other groups

Ashok Malhotra: I’d like some help in sending out details and announcements to other groups

14:38:16 <deiu> Arnaud: it’s not clear to me how many people know at this point

Arnaud Le Hors: it’s not clear to me how many people know at this point

14:38:36 <deiu> …I don’t have access now, but on Friday there were a handful of people listed

…I don’t have access now, but on Friday there were a handful of people listed

14:39:14 <deiu> sandro: maybe you can also list yourself (and cancel later if you can’t make it)

Sandro Hawke: maybe you can also list yourself (and cancel later if you can’t make it)

14:39:32 <deiu> Ashok: have you sent this information to the Social WG?

Ashok Malhotra: have you sent this information to the Social WG?

14:39:49 <deiu> Arnaud: there are several communities like that we should contact

Arnaud Le Hors: there are several communities like that we should contact

14:40:18 <deiu> …the issue I see, for example, is convincing people to travel there

…the issue I see, for example, is convincing people to travel there

14:40:46 <deiu> Ashok: that’s why we need to send the announcements as earlier as possible

Ashok Malhotra: that’s why we need to send the announcements as earlier as possible

14:41:21 <deiu> ericP: are there any business groups at W3C that are related?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: are there any business groups at W3C that are related?

14:41:42 <deiu> sandro: I’m looking at the wiki page and feeling a bit self-conscious about sending this to people

Sandro Hawke: I’m looking at the wiki page and feeling a bit self-conscious about sending this to people

14:41:53 <deiu> …I feel like it doesn’t speak to people who are not in the WG

…I feel like it doesn’t speak to people who are not in the WG

14:42:39 <deiu> Ashok: some suggestions might have gone “lost"

Ashok Malhotra: some suggestions might have gone “lost"

14:42:59 <deiu> ericP: maybe something along the lines of “LDP offers a way to increase the reuse of data”

Eric Prud'hommeaux: maybe something along the lines of “LDP offers a way to increase the reuse of data”

14:43:32 <deiu> Arnaud: there should be a general introduction of LDP

Arnaud Le Hors: there should be a general introduction of LDP

14:45:20 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, anything else?

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, anything else?

14:46:20 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4)

ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4)

14:46:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].

14:47:11 <deiu> ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410

ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410

14:47:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Change reference to "bcp47 [ref], as used by turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-issue-410 [on Andrei Sambra - due 2015-03-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-156 - Change reference to "bcp47 [ref], as used by turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [on Andrei Sambra - due 2015-03-23].

14:48:12 <deiu> Arnaud: let’s close on this. See you all soon!

Arnaud Le Hors: let’s close on this. See you all soon!

14:48:13 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:48:15 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

14:48:15 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch

ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch

14:48:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in ldp patch [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-157 - Ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in ldp patch [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2015-03-23].

14:48:16 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:48:18 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:48:20 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

14:48:23 <deiu> [Adjourned]

[Adjourned]

14:48:24 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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14:48:25 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:48:40 <deiu> trackbot: end meeting

Trackbot IRC Bot: end meeting

14:48:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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14:48:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro, TallTed, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, azaroth, deiu, Sandro, TallTed, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

14:48:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:48:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

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14:48:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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14:48:49 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-actions.rdf :

14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [1]

ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to i18n white space (now just the big 4) [1]

14:48:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-46-20

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-46-20

14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [2]

ACTION: deiu to change reference to "BCP47 [ref], as used by Turtle [ref]”, based on i18n-ISSUE-410 [2]

14:48:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-47-11

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-47-11

14:48:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch [3]

ACTION: ericP to ask about no-change proposal in response to string-matching/collation in LDP Patch [3]

14:48:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-ldp-irc#T14-48-15-1

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