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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 December 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.12.08
Present
Arnaud Le Hors, Sandro Hawke, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Roger Menday, Andrei Sambra, Cody Burleson, Ashok Malhotra, Alexandre Bertails
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01 link
  2. Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions link
  3. Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets link
  4. Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions link
  5. Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext. link
Topics
14:58:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/08-ldp-irc

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14:58:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:58:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

14:58:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:58:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:38 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2014
14:59:44 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

14:59:51 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:01 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:00:37 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

15:00:48 <SteveS> zakim, [ibm] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [ibm] is me

15:00:48 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:00:55 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:01:03 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:03 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:01:05 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

15:01:05 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:01:06 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:01:06 <Zakim> +deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu

15:01:55 <bblfish> in Scala eXchange conference in London

Henry Story: in Scala eXchange conference in London

15:02:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:41 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.

Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me.

15:02:41 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +codyburleson; got it

15:03:13 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:03:16 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

15:04:30 <sandro> scribe: sandro

(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)

<sandro> chair: Arnaud
<sandro> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.12.08
<sandro> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:05:04 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01

15:05:31 <Zakim> +Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre

15:06:28 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01

15:06:32 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?

zakim, who is making noise?

15:06:42 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (84%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (84%)

15:06:45 <sandro> Arnaud: Meeting next week as usual.

Arnaud Le Hors: Meeting next week as usual.

<sandro> topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

15:07:16 <sandro> Arnaud: One new issue

Arnaud Le Hors: One new issue

15:07:18 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

PROPOSED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

15:07:19 <sandro> issue-104?

ISSUE-104?

15:07:19 <trackbot> issue-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised

15:07:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104

15:07:33 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:07:36 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:07:48 <sandro> +1 (dunno what it means, but sure)

+1 (dunno what it means, but sure)

15:08:17 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

15:08:23 <sandro> Arnaud: it's the equivalent of issue-102, negative indexes in slices

Arnaud Le Hors: it's the equivalent of ISSUE-102, negative indexes in slices

<sandro> topic: LDP and Paging status

3. LDP and Paging status

15:09:15 <sandro> Arnaud: Trying to coordinate with Eric the publication of the ldp spec

Arnaud Le Hors: Trying to coordinate with Eric the publication of the ldp spec

15:09:22 <sandro> .. some discussion of Abtract, not being very descriptive.

.. some discussion of Abtract, not being very descriptive.

15:09:29 <codyburleson> q+

Cody Burleson: q+

15:09:47 <Arnaud> ack codyburleson

Arnaud Le Hors: ack codyburleson

15:10:14 <sandro> codyburleson: Steve made a good point, that there have been several reviews, so we might want to be careful about changing it.

Cody Burleson: Steve made a good point, that there have been several reviews, so we might want to be careful about changing it.

15:10:25 <sandro> .. when I looked at it, I thought it could benefit from a revision

.. when I looked at it, I thought it could benefit from a revision

15:10:45 <codyburleson> This document describes a set of best practices and simple approach for a read-write Linked Data architecture, based on HTTP access to web resources that describe their state using the RDF data model.

Cody Burleson: This document describes a set of best practices and simple approach for a read-write Linked Data architecture, based on HTTP access to web resources that describe their state using the RDF data model.

15:11:07 <codyburleson> I think Philippe said that he didn't kno w what a "read-write Linked

Cody Burleson: I think Philippe said that he didn't kno w what a "read-write Linked

15:11:07 <codyburleson> Data architecture" was or how web resources might describe their state

Cody Burleson: Data architecture" was or how web resources might describe their state

15:11:07 <codyburleson> using the RDF data model. I guess he (and the public) would be better

Cody Burleson: using the RDF data model. I guess he (and the public) would be better

15:11:07 <codyburleson> informed by something like:

Cody Burleson: informed by something like:

15:11:18 <sandro> .. the way it's written right now, when I asked...

.. the way it's written right now, when I asked...

15:11:42 <sandro> codyburleson: So what do we mean there?

Cody Burleson: So what do we mean there?

15:12:30 <sandro> codyburleson: we're trying to encapsulated CRUD in "read-write".   I'm struggling with "best-practices", since it's pre-mature.  It's a  set of rules.   Also, it says "simple", which is very relative.

Cody Burleson: we're trying to encapsulated CRUD in "read-write". I'm struggling with "best-practices", since it's pre-mature. It's a set of rules. Also, it says "simple", which is very relative.

15:12:51 <sandro> codyburleson: I think it can be improved, and is worth chewing on a bit

Cody Burleson: I think it can be improved, and is worth chewing on a bit

15:12:59 <codyburleson> =================

Cody Burleson: =================

15:13:20 <sandro> q+

q+

15:13:32 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:13:55 <codyburleson> This specification defines a client-server platform and a standard approach for managing and exchanging Linked Data resources over HTTP.

Cody Burleson: This specification defines a client-server platform and a standard approach for managing and exchanging Linked Data resources over HTTP.

15:13:57 <sandro> q+

q+

15:14:11 <codyburleson> It introduces the notion of a URI addressable "container" through which a client may POST an RDF graph. Once POSTed, an RDF graph can then be managed through its parent container as a single web resource.

Cody Burleson: It introduces the notion of a URI addressable "container" through which a client may POST an RDF graph. Once POSTed, an RDF graph can then be managed through its parent container as a single web resource.

15:14:28 <codyburleson> Resources can be members of one or more containers and the containers themselves can be arranged in hierarchies.

Cody Burleson: Resources can be members of one or more containers and the containers themselves can be arranged in hierarchies.

15:14:42 <codyburleson> This enables the development of rich information architectures, which can be managed using the classic and well-known HTTP interaction model and familiar techniques such as the exchange of data using REST and JSON.

Cody Burleson: This enables the development of rich information architectures, which can be managed using the classic and well-known HTTP interaction model and familiar techniques such as the exchange of data using REST and JSON.

15:14:46 <codyburleson> Yet because the resources being managed are expressed primarily in RDF, the platform additionally affords all the benefits ...

Cody Burleson: Yet because the resources being managed are expressed primarily in RDF, the platform additionally affords all the benefits ...

15:15:47 <sandro> codyburleson: The original abstract didn't clarify what it is, and it's not compelling

Cody Burleson: The original abstract didn't clarify what it is, and it's not compelling

15:15:58 <sandro> Arnaud: There was talk of publishing tomorrow

Arnaud Le Hors: There was talk of publishing tomorrow

15:16:11 <sandro> Arnaud, Eric is supposed to be on this.

Arnaud, Eric is supposed to be on this.

15:16:14 <roger> i agree that the abstract could be jazz'ed up a bit.

Roger Menday: i agree that the abstract could be jazz'ed up a bit.

15:16:25 <sandro> q+ sandro to talk about publication

q+ sandro to talk about publication

15:16:53 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:16:53 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to talk about publication

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to talk about publication

15:16:55 <codyburleson> I will post what I have (in rough) on the mailing list in case we care to chew on it from the angle I am on.

Cody Burleson: I will post what I have (in rough) on the mailing list in case we care to chew on it from the angle I am on.

15:19:27 <sandro> cody: It merges the benefits of RDF and the familiarity of HTTP

Cody Burleson: It merges the benefits of RDF and the familiarity of HTTP

15:19:39 <sandro> cody: to get the benefits of the RDF data model

Cody Burleson: to get the benefits of the RDF data model

15:19:49 <sandro> Arnaud: Sounds good, send to mailing list please

Arnaud Le Hors: Sounds good, send to mailing list please

15:20:18 <sandro> Arnaud: Any PR?

Arnaud Le Hors: Any PR?

15:21:14 <sandro> Arnaud: testemonials, etc.     People can make statements about why this is great.

Arnaud Le Hors: testemonials, etc. People can make statements about why this is great.

15:21:38 <sandro> Arnaud: The AC review form will have a box where folks can say if they want to participate in PR

Arnaud Le Hors: The AC review form will have a box where folks can say if they want to participate in PR

15:22:07 <Zakim> -??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11

15:22:16 <sandro> SteveS: It sounds interesting, but I can't speak for IBM on this matter.    The things Sandro and Cody said are aspirational

Steve Speicher: It sounds interesting, but I can't speak for IBM on this matter. The things Sandro and Cody said are aspirational

15:22:44 <codyburleson> I would be interested, sure.

Cody Burleson: I would be interested, sure.

15:22:55 <sandro> roger: Fujitsu would be interested, I think

Roger Menday: Fujitsu would be interested, I think

15:22:59 <codyburleson> But, my company's brand is not well known.

Cody Burleson: But, my company's brand is not well known.

15:23:30 <sandro> Ashok: For Oracle, it's complicated.

Ashok Malhotra: For Oracle, it's complicated.

15:23:40 <Arnaud> that's ok cody, it doesn't have to be

Arnaud Le Hors: that's ok cody, it doesn't have to be

15:25:58 <sandro> Arnaud: We'll keep you all posted on progress

Arnaud Le Hors: We'll keep you all posted on progress

15:26:12 <sandro> topic: LD Patch

4. LD Patch

15:26:38 <sandro> Arnaud: Three open issues

Arnaud Le Hors: Three open issues

<sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-101

4.1. ISSUE-101

15:26:57 <betehess> I can re: 101

Alexandre Bertails: I can re: 101

15:27:03 <betehess> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-add

Alexandre Bertails: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-add

15:27:47 <sandro> betehess: this is implemented and should be closed

Alexandre Bertails: this is implemented and should be closed

15:28:14 <sandro> betehess: I think we agreed to close it, but it didn't get recorded properly

Alexandre Bertails: I think we agreed to close it, but it didn't get recorded properly

15:28:44 <Arnaud1> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets

15:28:53 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

15:29:18 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:29:19 <sandro> +1

+1

15:29:23 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:29:24 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

15:29:24 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:29:26 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

15:29:27 <codyburleson> 0

Cody Burleson: 0

15:29:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets

15:29:46 <Arnaud> ISSUE-103

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-103

15:29:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- Hard vs silent fail on missing delete triples -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Hard vs silent fail on missing delete triples -- open

15:29:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/103

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/103

15:29:49 <sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-103

4.2. ISSUE-103

15:30:04 <sandro> deiu: I don't think we've reached a resolution on this

Andrei Sambra: I don't think we've reached a resolution on this

15:30:15 <betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail

Alexandre Bertails: we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail

15:30:40 <deiu> I think the majority was inclined to go with d)

Andrei Sambra: I think the majority was inclined to go with d)

15:31:05 <sandro> Arnaud: adding fails silently, but removing doesn't, so that's a bit asymetric/odd

Arnaud Le Hors: adding fails silently, but removing doesn't, so that's a bit asymetric/odd

15:31:09 <betehess> s|delete doesn't fail|delete-does-not-fail|

Alexandre Bertails: s|delete doesn't fail|delete-does-not-fail|

15:31:50 <sandro> Arnaud: tim wasn't happy with d.    we COULD add support for both modes, with a mode switch, 2 sets of operations, assertions

Arnaud Le Hors: tim wasn't happy with d. we COULD add support for both modes, with a mode switch, 2 sets of operations, assertions

15:32:04 <TallTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

15:32:12 <betehess> I still prefer supporting the 2 modes somehow

Alexandre Bertails: I still prefer supporting the 2 modes somehow

15:32:22 <betehess> but won't oppose

Alexandre Bertails: but won't oppose

15:32:22 <Zakim> TallTed, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (73%), SteveS (19%), deiu (26%)

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (73%), SteveS (19%), deiu (26%)

15:32:36 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:32:36 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:33:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:33:24 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:33:29 <codyburleson> Zakim, mute me

Cody Burleson: Zakim, mute me

15:33:29 <Zakim> codyburleson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: codyburleson should now be muted

15:34:00 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:34:00 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:34:35 <TallTed> Zakim mute Arnaud

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim mute Arnaud

15:34:40 <betehess> we actually said that alert/warning was not very interesting

Alexandre Bertails: we actually said that alert/warning was not very interesting

15:34:43 <sandro> zakim, mute arnaud

zakim, mute arnaud

15:34:43 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should now be muted

15:35:01 <Arnaud> zakim, unmute me

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, unmute me

15:35:01 <Zakim> Arnaud should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should no longer be muted

15:35:40 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:35:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre

15:35:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, betehess, pchampin, roger, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, Zakim, RRSAgent, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, betehess, pchampin, roger, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, Zakim, RRSAgent, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot

15:35:46 <SteveS> I still favor d) but agree it would be good to have an understanding on how a future extension could work

Steve Speicher: I still favor d) but agree it would be good to have an understanding on how a future extension could work

15:35:52 <TallTed> Zakim, mute Arnaud

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute Arnaud

15:35:52 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should now be muted

15:36:13 <Arnaud> I hear well too now :)

Arnaud Le Hors: I hear well too now :)

15:36:20 <Arnaud> weird

Arnaud Le Hors: weird

15:36:24 <Arnaud> ok, let's proceed anyway

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's proceed anyway

15:36:28 <Arnaud> I'll type

Arnaud Le Hors: I'll type

15:36:38 <Arnaud> so, any proposals for 103?

Arnaud Le Hors: so, any proposals for 103?

15:36:59 <sandro> <betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail

<betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail

15:38:09 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

15:38:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, Arnaud

15:38:10 <betehess> -0.1   +1   +0.5   +0.1

Alexandre Bertails: -0.1 +1 +0.5 +0.1

15:38:31 <deiu> 0 +1 +1 +1

Andrei Sambra: 0 +1 +1 +1

15:38:48 <Ashok> 1 1 1 0

Ashok Malhotra: 1 1 1 0

15:38:56 <TallTed> a) +0.5   b) +0.5   c) +0.5   d) +0.5

Ted Thibodeau: a) +0.5 b) +0.5 c) +0.5 d) +0.5

15:39:01 <sandro> +0.5 (assuming at start)  +0.2 -0.2  +0

+0.5 (assuming at start) +0.2 -0.2 +0

15:39:07 <SteveS> 0 0 0 +1

Steve Speicher: 0 0 0 +1

15:39:26 <roger> 0 0 0 0

Roger Menday: 0 0 0 0

15:39:45 <sandro> sandro: It'd be good to get a vote from Tim

Sandro Hawke: It'd be good to get a vote from Tim

15:39:49 <betehess> sounds good to me, but I will probably go with b or c to satisfy timbl's request, not d

Alexandre Bertails: sounds good to me, but I will probably go with b or c to satisfy timbl's request, not d

15:39:52 <betehess> I can

Alexandre Bertails: I can

15:40:15 <sandro> action: betehess to talk to Tim about how he feels about these four options

ACTION: betehess to talk to Tim about how he feels about these four options

15:40:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Talk to tim about how he feels about these four options [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Talk to tim about how he feels about these four options [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-12-15].

15:40:19 <deiu> Can we at least reduce the number of options to two?

Andrei Sambra: Can we at least reduce the number of options to two?

15:40:39 <pchampin> +1 +1 0 +.5

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 +1 0 +.5

15:40:44 <sandro> Arnaud: It seems like any decent proposal should be acceptable

Arnaud Le Hors: It seems like any decent proposal should be acceptable

15:41:54 <sandro> sandro: cc public-ldp-comments@w3.org in conversation with TimBL

Sandro Hawke: cc public-ldp-comments@w3.org in conversation with TimBL

15:41:58 <Arnaud>  ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions

15:41:58 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-104 Negative indexes in Path expressions.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-104 Negative indexes in Path expressions.

15:42:06 <sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-104

4.3. ISSUE-104

15:42:41 <sandro> Arnaud: Argument was symmetry

Arnaud Le Hors: Argument was symmetry

15:42:59 <sandro> sandro: sorry, what are these?

Sandro Hawke: sorry, what are these?

15:43:05 <Arnaud> Bind ?lastlang   <#tim> / ex:preferredLanguages / -1 .

Arnaud Le Hors: Bind ?lastlang <#tim> / ex:preferredLanguages / -1 .

15:43:05 <sandro> issue-104?

ISSUE-104?

15:43:05 <trackbot> issue-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised

15:43:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104

15:43:13 <betehess> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#dfn-stepat

Alexandre Bertails: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#dfn-stepat

15:43:23 <betehess> [[

Alexandre Bertails: [[

15:43:23 <betehess> A StepAt is defined by an integer n, and consists in following n rdf:rest arcs and one rdf:first arc in order to reach the corresponding member of an RDF collection. It is equivalent to a sequence of n+1 StepForwards with the corresponding IRIs.

Alexandre Bertails: A StepAt is defined by an integer n, and consists in following n rdf:rest arcs and one rdf:first arc in order to reach the corresponding member of an RDF collection. It is equivalent to a sequence of n+1 StepForwards with the corresponding IRIs.

15:43:24 <betehess> ]]

Alexandre Bertails: ]]

15:45:22 <sandro> sandro: it's the n'th element of the list at that point

Sandro Hawke: it's the n'th element of the list at that point

15:45:36 <sandro> sandro: so, yes, allowing negatives as in slices makes perfect sense.

Sandro Hawke: so, yes, allowing negatives as in slices makes perfect sense.

15:45:46 <betehess> to be clear, +1 from me :-)

Alexandre Bertails: to be clear, +1 from me :-)

15:46:16 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions

15:46:18 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:46:21 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:46:24 <sandro> +1

+1

15:46:33 <betehess> q+ to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list

Alexandre Bertails: q+ to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list

15:46:47 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

15:46:47 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list

Zakim IRC Bot: betehess, you wanted to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list

15:47:03 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:47:55 <sandro> sandro: -1 refers to the last element, as in Python

Sandro Hawke: -1 refers to the last element, as in Python

15:48:03 <betehess> [[

Alexandre Bertails: [[

15:48:04 <betehess> >>> l = [1,2,3,4]

Alexandre Bertails: >>> l = [1,2,3,4]

15:48:04 <betehess> >>> l[-1]

Alexandre Bertails: >>> l[-1]

15:48:04 <betehess> 4

Alexandre Bertails: 4

15:48:05 <betehess> ]]

Alexandre Bertails: ]]

15:48:09 <pchampin> I would suggest that we keep ".." to append elements at the end of a list

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I would suggest that we keep ".." to append elements at the end of a list

15:48:20 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions

15:48:21 <pchampin> and 0.. to replace the whole list

Pierre-Antoine Champin: and 0.. to replace the whole list

15:48:54 <betehess> yeah... [[[

Alexandre Bertails: yeah... [[[

15:48:55 <betehess> >>> l[-1:-1] = [5,6]

Alexandre Bertails: >>> l[-1:-1] = [5,6]

15:48:55 <betehess> >>> l

Alexandre Bertails: >>> l

15:48:55 <betehess> [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 4]

Alexandre Bertails: [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 4]

15:48:56 <betehess> ]]]

Alexandre Bertails: ]]]

15:49:25 <sandro> Arnaud: So that closes everything but 103.   I'm hoping we can be done next week.

Arnaud Le Hors: So that closes everything but 103. I'm hoping we can be done next week.

15:50:19 <sandro> sandro: re ISSUE-103 We could include one of A/B/C at-risk and go to LC

Sandro Hawke: re ISSUE-103 We could include one of A/B/C at-risk and go to LC

15:50:39 <betehess> sorry, I need to step out: fire alarm

Alexandre Bertails: sorry, I need to step out: fire alarm

15:50:45 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

15:50:52 <sandro> topic: WG Extension/Rechartering

5. WG Extension/Rechartering

15:51:50 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

15:51:51 <sandro> Arnaud: It seems like asking for an extension is the right thing at this point.  We'd put on hold the idea of rechartering.

Arnaud Le Hors: It seems like asking for an extension is the right thing at this point. We'd put on hold the idea of rechartering.

15:52:20 <sandro> Arnaud: This is not because we failed to deliver, but because we want some time to see how LDP is being adopted before we commit to a new set of deliverables

Arnaud Le Hors: This is not because we failed to deliver, but because we want some time to see how LDP is being adopted before we commit to a new set of deliverables

15:52:30 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

15:52:51 <sandro> Ashok: Can we start on other work, eg Access Control

Ashok Malhotra: Can we start on other work, eg Access Control

15:53:31 <sandro> sandro: It's out of scope.   I don't know quite what we can do

Sandro Hawke: It's out of scope. I don't know quite what we can do

15:53:34 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:53:56 <sandro> Arnaud: I think we could have email discussion, a wiki page, and editors draft, just no FPWD until it's formally in scope.

Arnaud Le Hors: I think we could have email discussion, a wiki page, and editors draft, just no FPWD until it's formally in scope.

15:55:42 <sandro> Arnaud: 6 months, 9 months, but 12 seems a bit much.

Arnaud Le Hors: 6 months, 9 months, but 12 seems a bit much.

15:56:00 <sandro> Arnaud: like charter out by June

Arnaud Le Hors: like charter out by June

15:57:05 <sandro> sandro: What about a workshop, "the data platform for the web" and see who shows up, and if they're interested

Sandro Hawke: What about a workshop, "the data platform for the web" and see who shows up, and if they're interested

15:57:17 <sandro> sandro: so then timing of that is an issue

Sandro Hawke: so then timing of that is an issue

15:57:19 <betehess> oh, workshop? I am joining bach

Alexandre Bertails: oh, workshop? I am joining bach

15:57:38 <sandro> Arnaud: So we could say this is a workshop about taking it to the next level

Arnaud Le Hors: So we could say this is a workshop about taking it to the next level

15:57:43 <roger> +1 to workshop

Roger Menday: +1 to workshop

15:57:44 <codyburleson> +1 workshop; that's interesting.

Cody Burleson: +1 workshop; that's interesting.

15:57:46 <deiu> +1 to workshop

Andrei Sambra: +1 to workshop

15:57:49 <Zakim> +Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre

15:57:50 <sandro> Arnaud: march maybe?

Arnaud Le Hors: march maybe?

15:57:52 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

15:57:54 <betehess> +1 workshop

Alexandre Bertails: +1 workshop

15:58:25 <sandro> Arnaud: Maybe April workshop?

Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe April workshop?

15:59:52 <sandro> sandro: I think a workshop with more folks will take more time.

Sandro Hawke: I think a workshop with more folks will take more time.

16:00:09 <sandro> Arnaud: with my AC Rep hat on, 9 months is max.

Arnaud Le Hors: with my AC Rep hat on, 9 months is max.

16:00:56 <sandro> sandro: workshop in spring, charter in summer

Sandro Hawke: workshop in spring, charter in summer

16:01:19 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish  Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter  for LDPNext.

PROPOSED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext.

16:01:42 <sandro> +1

+1

16:01:46 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

16:01:51 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

16:01:53 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

16:01:54 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

16:01:54 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:01:55 <codyburleson> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

16:02:03 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

16:02:04 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, Alexandre

16:02:15 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish  Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter  for LDPNext.

RESOLVED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext.

16:02:34 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

16:02:38 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:02:40 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

16:02:41 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:02:41 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

16:02:43 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

16:02:43 <Zakim> -codyburleson

Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson

16:02:43 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

16:02:44 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

16:02:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre

<sandro> Present: Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre


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