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13:58:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:58:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:58:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:23 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2013
14:00:15 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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14:00:22 <Zakim> +??P20
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14:00:32 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:16 <Zakim> + +1.857.928.aaaa
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14:01:28 <betehess> Zakim, aaaa is Alexandre
Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, aaaa is Alexandre ←
14:01:28 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it
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14:01:34 <Zakim> + +1.919.306.aabb
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14:02:00 <betehess> Zakim, aabb is SteveS
Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, aabb is SteveS ←
14:02:00 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
14:02:35 <stevebattle6> zakim, who is on the line
Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the line ←
14:02:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', stevebattle6
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the line', stevebattle6 ←
14:02:39 <betehess> Zakim, mute Alexandre
Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, mute Alexandre ←
14:02:39 <Zakim> Alexandre should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alexandre should now be muted ←
14:02:54 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←
14:03:03 <Arnaud> zakim, who is on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P20, Arnaud, Alexandre (muted), SteveS, JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P20, Arnaud, Alexandre (muted), SteveS, JohnArwe ←
14:03:13 <stevebattle6> zakim, p20 is me
Steve Battle: zakim, p20 is me ←
14:03:13 <Zakim> sorry, stevebattle6, I do not recognize a party named 'p20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stevebattle6, I do not recognize a party named 'p20' ←
14:03:22 <stevebattle6> zakim, ??p20 is me
Steve Battle: zakim, ??p20 is me ←
14:03:22 <Zakim> +stevebattle6; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle6; got it ←
14:04:18 <JohnArwe> regrets: sandro
14:04:35 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre
(Scribe set to Alexandre Bertails)
14:04:43 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
14:04:53 <betehess> Zakim, please make minutes
Zakim, please make minutes ←
14:04:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please make minutes', betehess
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please make minutes', betehess ←
14:05:00 <betehess> RRSAgent, please make minutes
RRSAgent, please make minutes ←
14:05:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-ldp-minutes.html betehess
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-ldp-minutes.html betehess ←
14:05:49 <Ashok> zakim, code?
Ashok Malhotra: zakim, code? ←
14:05:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok ←
14:05:52 <betehess> you guys need to ask the team contact to put the publication on /TR
you guys need to ask the team contact to put the publication on /TR ←
14:06:07 <betehess> chair: Arnaud
<betehess> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.14
<betehess> topic: Admin
14:06:20 <betehess> Arnaud: let's start with the minutes of last meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: let's start with the minutes of last meeting ←
<betehess> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-10-07
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-10-07 ←
14:06:24 <betehess> ... can be approved?
... can be approved? ←
14:06:40 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:06:43 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:06:50 <krp> zakim, ??P13 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
14:06:50 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:06:52 <betehess> ... there were some resolutions
... there were some resolutions ←
14:06:54 <betehess> ... hope we captured them well
... hope we captured them well ←
14:07:04 <stevebattle6> no objections from me.
Steve Battle: no objections from me. ←
14:07:29 <betehess> RESOLVED: Minutes from October 7 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes from October 7 approved ←
14:07:41 <betehess> Arnaud: is next Monday a holiday somewhere?
Arnaud Le Hors: is next Monday a holiday somewhere? ←
14:08:10 <betehess> ... hope it won't be a holiday next week, we'll have a call
... hope it won't be a holiday next week, we'll have a call ←
14:08:30 <betehess> ... are there any actions we can dispose of somehow?
... are there any actions we can dispose of somehow? ←
14:08:34 <betehess> ... we don't have too many
... we don't have too many ←
14:08:40 <betehess> ... getting better at it
... getting better at it ←
14:08:49 <betehess> ... let's go with agenda
... let's go with agenda ←
14:09:15 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
<betehess> topic: Proposal: Change following to informative (re: redefining HTTP)
14:09:16 <betehess> ... last time, JohnArwe pointed us at a diff in Mercurial
... last time, JohnArwe pointed us at a diff in Mercurial ←
14:09:38 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
14:09:41 <betehess> ... would like to get this officially in
... would like to get this officially in ←
14:09:57 <Arnaud> Proposal: Change following to informative (re: redefining HTTP), diff: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/rev/eeff2a51723d
PROPOSED: Change following to informative (re: redefining HTTP), diff: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/rev/eeff2a51723d ←
14:10:18 <stevebattle6> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:10:20 <betehess> Arnaud: people should have had time to review it
Arnaud Le Hors: people should have had time to review it ←
14:10:23 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
14:10:38 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
14:10:51 <JohnArwe> +1
14:10:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
14:10:53 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
14:11:07 <betehess> +0
+0 ←
14:11:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> +0
Bart van Leeuwen: +0 ←
14:12:01 <JohnArwe> (Steve Speicher having IRC trouble ... voice +1)
John Arwe: (Steve Speicher having IRC trouble ... voice +1) ←
14:12:04 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
14:12:10 <betehess> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:10 <Zakim> sorry, betehess, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, betehess, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:12:14 <betehess> Zakim, unmute Alexandre
Zakim, unmute Alexandre ←
14:12:14 <Zakim> Alexandre should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alexandre should no longer be muted ←
14:13:04 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-gvoice
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-gvoice ←
14:13:04 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made ←
14:13:05 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:13:26 <betehess> betehess: what about hash-uris
Alexandre Bertails: what about hash-uris ←
14:14:06 <betehess> JohnArwe: just copied from before. anybody who knows HTTP knows not send the hash part
John Arwe: just copied from before. anybody who knows HTTP knows not send the hash part ←
14:14:14 <JohnArwe> betehess question was on section 5.2.6
John Arwe: betehess question was on section 5.2.6 ←
14:14:28 <betehess> Arnaud: we're not redefining HTTP
Arnaud Le Hors: we're not redefining HTTP ←
14:14:38 <bblfish> that remark seems to stem from the problem arising out of confusing LDPC members that are LDPRs ( resources that are docs without a hash ) and the fact that some people want members with hash uris. That is still why I think one should put it in terms of ldp:created
Henry Story: that remark seems to stem from the problem arising out of confusing LDPC members that are LDPRs ( resources that are docs without a hash ) and the fact that some people want members with hash uris. That is still why I think one should put it in terms of ldp:created ←
14:14:52 <betehess> +1
+1 ←
14:14:57 <Arnaud> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
14:15:10 <Arnaud> Resolved: Change following to informative (re: redefining HTTP), diff: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/rev/eeff2a51723d
RESOLVED: Change following to informative (re: redefining HTTP), diff: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/rev/eeff2a51723d ←
14:15:24 <ericP> +1 to the spirit, though i've not done my homework
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to the spirit, though i've not done my homework ←
<betehess> topic: Strawpoll: How should the editors handle vanilla vs chocolate in the spec
14:15:52 <betehess> Arnaud: next topic is the straw poll
Arnaud Le Hors: next topic is the straw poll ←
14:16:04 <betehess> ... about to use those two kind of servers
... about to use those two kind of servers ←
14:16:11 <betehess> ... chocolate vs vanilla?
... chocolate vs vanilla? ←
14:16:18 <betehess> ... it's just terminology
... it's just terminology ←
14:16:18 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:16:30 <betehess> ... how to define the two modes in the spec
... how to define the two modes in the spec ←
14:16:47 <betehess> ... do people have an opinion to help the editors?
... do people have an opinion to help the editors? ←
14:17:06 <betehess> ... must decide between SHOULD and MUST
... must decide between SHOULD and MUST ←
14:17:16 <betehess> ... some forms are more compact than others
... some forms are more compact than others ←
14:17:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
Bart van Leeuwen: +q ←
14:17:38 <Arnaud> ack BartvanLeeuwen
Arnaud Le Hors: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:17:45 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Oct/0040.html
John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Oct/0040.html ←
14:18:02 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:18:08 <krp> zakim, ??P13 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
14:18:08 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:18:23 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: what seems unclear to me is where you're allowed to @@@
Bart van Leeuwen: what seems unclear to me is where you're allowed to @@@ ←
14:18:29 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:18:34 <betehess> ... with the spec right now, was confused
... with the spec right now, was confused ←
14:19:01 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P27 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:19:01 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:19:08 <betehess> JohnArwe: if you look at the draft, I've given more information
John Arwe: if you look at the draft, I've given more information ←
14:19:09 <nmihindu> zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, mute me ←
14:19:09 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
14:19:26 <betehess> ... making difference between the server and the client
... making difference between the server and the client ←
14:19:34 <betehess> ... the client only sees the interface
... the client only sees the interface ←
14:20:01 <betehess> ... you don't have to obey all rules when you serve an image for example (it's not an LDPR)
... you don't have to obey all rules when you serve an image for example (it's not an LDPR) ←
14:20:29 <betehess> ... if the client doesn't know, it's just plain HTTP
... if the client doesn't know, it's just plain HTTP ←
14:20:32 <ericP> JohnArwe: an LDP server MUST adhere to the defined LDPR interface when serving an LDPR. (not when serving other docs)
John Arwe: an LDP server MUST adhere to the defined LDPR interface when serving an LDPR. (not when serving other docs) [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:20:37 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: not exactly what I meant
Bart van Leeuwen: not exactly what I meant ←
14:20:55 <betehess> ... had the impression that I could mix vaniall and chocolate
... had the impression that I could mix vaniall and chocolate ←
14:21:24 <betehess> Arnaud: I think there is no mixing, it's either chocolate or vanilla
Arnaud Le Hors: I think there is no mixing, it's either chocolate or vanilla ←
14:21:41 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: had the impression it wasn't clear
Bart van Leeuwen: had the impression it wasn't clear ←
14:22:30 <betehess> Arnaud: if there is anywhere a MUST that you don't make, then you end up being chocolate
Arnaud Le Hors: if there is anywhere a MUST that you don't make, then you end up being chocolate ←
14:22:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ack me ←
14:22:43 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one on the speaker queue ←
14:23:14 <ericP> +1 to 1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to 1 ←
14:23:24 <betehess> ... do people have preference for editorial style?
... do people have preference for editorial style? ←
14:23:25 <ericP> i find 1 the easiest to scan
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i find 1 the easiest to scan ←
14:23:33 <betehess> ... I prefer 1
... I prefer 1 ←
14:23:45 <JohnArwe> sandro is not here, but offline he said +0/+1/+1
John Arwe: sandro is not here, but offline he said +0/+1/+1 ←
14:23:52 <betehess> +1 to 1
+1 to 1 ←
14:24:12 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:24:12 <betehess> ... minimizes the duplication, makes it easier to read
... minimizes the duplication, makes it easier to read ←
14:24:17 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:25:22 <betehess> bblfish: you need to make the different between vanilla and chocolate
Henry Story: you need to make the different between vanilla and chocolate ←
14:25:37 <betehess> ... eg. POSTing anythign to LDPC unless there is a restriction
... eg. POSTing anythign to LDPC unless there is a restriction ←
14:26:03 <betehess> ... not sure there is a difference there, it's a rule that applies to both, right?
... not sure there is a difference there, it's a rule that applies to both, right? ←
14:26:28 <betehess> Arnaud: people are still trying to understand the difference between the two
Arnaud Le Hors: people are still trying to understand the difference between the two ←
14:26:31 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
14:26:56 <betehess> ... as of now, we have a proposal to make changes, introducing those two modes
... as of now, we have a proposal to make changes, introducing those two modes ←
14:27:10 <betehess> ... emphasizing the MUST/SHOULD
... emphasizing the MUST/SHOULD ←
14:27:46 <betehess> ... it's editorial style for when we need to deal with MUST and SHOULD
... it's editorial style for when we need to deal with MUST and SHOULD ←
14:27:52 <SteveS> +1 to 1
Steve Speicher: +1 to 1 ←
14:27:55 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:28:01 <bblfish> my suggestion: LDP servers MUST xxx unless a restriction on the LDPC of R is stated in which case ...
Henry Story: my suggestion: LDP servers MUST xxx unless a restriction on the LDPC of R is stated in which case ... ←
14:28:19 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P27 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:28:19 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:28:22 <betehess> ... the editors could have done than on their own, but they ask for input
... the editors could have done than on their own, but they ask for input ←
14:28:26 <krp> +1 to 2 (weak preference)
Kevin Page: +1 to 2 (weak preference) ←
14:28:36 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:28:36 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
14:28:43 <betehess> ericP: looks like people are going for proposal 1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: looks like people are going for proposal 1 ←
14:29:20 <krp> trying to unmute :)
Kevin Page: trying to unmute :) ←
14:29:27 <bblfish> I think these ways of putting things do not make clear how a client would know he is dealing with one server or the other
Henry Story: I think these ways of putting things do not make clear how a client would know he is dealing with one server or the other ←
14:29:35 <bblfish> -1
Henry Story: -1 ←
14:29:36 <stevebattle6> +1 to option 1
Steve Battle: +1 to option 1 ←
14:29:37 <krp> but just due to preference of language
Kevin Page: but just due to preference of language ←
14:29:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 option 1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 option 1 ←
14:30:21 <bblfish> that is in my view the vanilla/chocolate is an a posteriori distinction.
Henry Story: that is in my view the vanilla/chocolate is an a posteriori distinction. ←
14:30:38 <betehess> Arnaud: it's not like we need to make a resolution
Arnaud Le Hors: it's not like we need to make a resolution ←
14:30:47 <betehess> ... let's move with the agenda
... let's move with the agenda ←
<betehess> topic: Status and handling of disposition of Last Call comments
14:31:02 <betehess> Arnaud: would like to speak about LC comments
Arnaud Le Hors: would like to speak about LC comments ←
14:31:08 <betehess> ... not sure we're handling them well
... not sure we're handling them well ←
14:31:29 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:31:30 <betehess> ... would like the team to discuss with timbl
... would like the team to discuss with timbl ←
14:31:31 <JohnArwe> The tracker's output does not seem so useful today.
John Arwe: The tracker's output does not seem so useful today. ←
14:31:37 <betehess> ... see if the changes are ok with him
... see if the changes are ok with him ←
14:31:48 <betehess> ... would like to save us another LC
... would like to save us another LC ←
14:32:06 <betehess> ... for the other comments, we have a tracker
... for the other comments, we have a tracker ←
14:32:11 <JohnArwe> Most tracker output lines start with (for me at least): Warning: mb_detect_encoding() expects parameter 1 to be string,
John Arwe: Most tracker output lines start with (for me at least): Warning: mb_detect_encoding() expects parameter 1 to be string, ←
14:32:17 <betehess> ... to keep track of them and respond to them
... to keep track of them and respond to them ←
14:33:28 <betehess> ... commenters have a period to say if they agree with our responses
... commenters have a period to say if they agree with our responses ←
14:33:34 <betehess> ... not sure we're doing a good job so far
... not sure we're doing a good job so far ←
14:34:29 <betehess> ... looks like the editors are in sync there
... looks like the editors are in sync there ←
14:35:00 <betehess> topic: Discuss ISSUE-81: Confusing predicate names
14:35:05 <betehess> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/81
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/81 ←
14:35:18 <betehess> ... about membership predicates names
... about membership predicates names ←
14:35:37 <betehess> ... but people have been ignoring my poll
... but people have been ignoring my poll ←
14:35:39 <bblfish> we are hearing some typing I think
Henry Story: we are hearing some typing I think ←
14:35:41 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
14:35:42 <betehess> ... so I put it on this agenda
... so I put it on this agenda ←
14:35:54 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise?
Henry Story: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:36:05 <betehess> ... it's different from the description of the issue
... it's different from the description of the issue ←
14:36:05 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (55%), EricP (81%)
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (55%), EricP (81%) ←
14:36:19 <betehess> Zakim, mute ericP
Zakim, mute ericP ←
14:36:19 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: EricP should now be muted ←
14:37:23 <betehess> steveS: must include pierre-antoine's comment
Steve Speicher: must include pierre-antoine's comment ←
14:37:23 <bblfish> typing
14:37:29 <betehess> s/typing//
14:37:57 <betehess> Arnaud: naming is a challenge
Arnaud Le Hors: naming is a challenge ←
14:38:02 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:38:09 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:38:22 <betehess> bblfish: there may be another possibility
Henry Story: there may be another possibility ←
14:38:37 <betehess> ... don't think it was added as an option
... don't think it was added as an option ←
14:38:47 <betehess> ... maybe was too radical?
... maybe was too radical? ←
14:38:48 <JohnArwe> something funky with the doodle survey too. I definitely voted (even mentioned +0s in comments), but it's not showing up here.
John Arwe: something funky with the doodle survey too. I definitely voted (even mentioned +0s in comments), but it's not showing up here. ←
14:38:52 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
14:38:53 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
14:39:17 <Zakim> -??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11 ←
14:39:17 <betehess> steves: I've put forward what dwoods put together
Steve Speicher: I've put forward what dwoods put together ←
14:39:29 <betehess> Arnaud: don't think anything was intentional
Arnaud Le Hors: don't think anything was intentional ←
14:39:36 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
14:39:41 <krp> zakim, ??P11 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
14:39:41 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:39:44 <betehess> ... bblfish, you can add that to the wiki
... bblfish, you can add that to the wiki ←
14:39:47 <betehess> bblfish: ok
Henry Story: ok ←
14:39:52 <bblfish> where is the wiki again?
Henry Story: where is the wiki again? ←
14:40:01 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-81
Steve Speicher: ISSUE-81">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-81 ←
14:40:41 <betehess> Arnaud: can you do that now?
Arnaud Le Hors: can you do that now? ←
14:41:43 <nmihindu_> Zakim, ??P17 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P17 is me ←
14:41:43 <Zakim> +nmihindu_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu_; got it ←
14:41:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
14:41:57 <betehess> ... bblfish, please add that to wiki and we can postpone to next week
... bblfish, please add that to wiki and we can postpone to next week ←
14:42:02 <nmihindu_> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:42:02 <Zakim> nmihindu_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu_ should now be muted ←
14:42:14 <betehess> ... is there an issue with timezones and not having time to answer?
... is there an issue with timezones and not having time to answer? ←
14:42:28 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:42:30 <betehess> ericP: had questions as well
Eric Prud'hommeaux: had questions as well ←
14:42:52 <betehess> [people discussing meaning of proposals]
[people discussing meaning of proposals] ←
14:43:10 <betehess> ericP: aaaaaaouwww
Eric Prud'hommeaux: aaaaaaouwww ←
14:43:19 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:43:42 <Arnaud> ack BartvanLeeuwen
Arnaud Le Hors: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:44:07 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: was everything coming from lat f2f?
Bart van Leeuwen: was everything coming from last f2f? ←
14:44:16 <betehess> ... was missing references to the minutes
... was missing references to the minutes ←
14:44:21 <betehess> Arnaud: that's the case
Arnaud Le Hors: that's the case ←
14:44:22 <JohnArwe> s/lat f2f/last f2f/
14:44:30 <betehess> ... look at issue 81
14:44:36 <betehess> ... it's written there
... it's written there ←
14:45:06 <betehess> ... what we call memberSubject is the object for the membership inverse
... what we call memberSubject is the object for the membership inverse ←
14:45:07 <JohnArwe> last F2f minutes (day 1) http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-12 (day 2) http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-13
John Arwe: last F2f minutes (day 1) http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-12 (day 2) http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-13 ←
14:45:15 <betehess> ... led to people saying that the spec is confusing
... led to people saying that the spec is confusing ←
14:45:41 <betehess> ... added membershipInverse, and @@, and those additions made everything bogus
... added membershipInverse, and @@, and those additions made everything bogus ←
14:46:00 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:46:10 <JohnArwe> w3c server is serving them "slowly" now for some reason.
John Arwe: w3c server is serving them "slowly" now for some reason. ←
14:46:17 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: will take time to review before next week
Bart van Leeuwen: will take time to review before next week ←
14:46:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
14:46:52 <betehess> bblfish: my proposal is a structural one
Henry Story: my proposal is a structural one ←
14:47:12 <betehess> ... was interested in quick straw poll to understand what people want
... was interested in quick straw poll to understand what people want ←
14:47:21 <betehess> steves: the proposal is about the words
Steve Speicher: the proposal is about the words ←
14:47:33 <betehess> ... if structural proposal just add it there
... if structural proposal just add it there ←
14:47:55 <betehess> bblfish: ok, I'll take that into account
Henry Story: ok, I'll take that into account ←
14:47:57 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
14:48:29 <betehess> Arnaud: people, please respond to the polls
Arnaud Le Hors: people, please respond to the polls ←
<betehess> topic: Discuss PATCH proposal
14:48:57 <betehess> Arnaud: let's not talk about PATCH
Arnaud Le Hors: let's not talk about PATCH ←
14:49:13 <betehess> ... even though we want a solution, I don't see it coming
... even though we want a solution, I don't see it coming ←
14:49:17 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
14:49:40 <betehess> ericP: I remember sandro sending mail
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I remember sandro sending mail ←
14:49:51 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:50:08 <betehess> ... suggesting an approach
... suggesting an approach ←
14:50:14 <betehess> ... as we had conflicting proposals
... as we had conflicting proposals ←
14:50:31 <betehess> ... implementation feedback would help move forward
... implementation feedback would help move forward ←
14:50:52 <betehess> Arnaud: I think there are other proposals being sent
Arnaud Le Hors: I think there are other proposals being sent ←
14:51:04 <betehess> ... my fear there will be more than 2, more like 3 or 4
... my fear there will be more than 2, more like 3 or 4 ←
14:51:10 <Arnaud> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
14:51:17 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise?
Henry Story: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:51:27 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (10%), Alexandre (94%)
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (10%), Alexandre (94%) ←
14:51:55 <betehess> betehess: what would it take to work on patch
Alexandre Bertails: what would it take to work on patch ←
14:52:04 <betehess> Arnaud: I've seen too many proposals
Arnaud Le Hors: I've seen too many proposals ←
14:52:14 <betehess> ... the problem is time
... the problem is time ←
14:52:21 <betehess> ... the feature is at risk
... the feature is at risk ←
14:52:32 <betehess> ... a ML was set up
... a ML was set up ←
14:52:41 <bblfish> what was the mailing list?
Henry Story: what was the mailing list? ←
14:52:46 <betehess> ... people should work there to sort it out
... people should work there to sort it out ←
14:53:00 <betehess> bblfish, public-ldp-patch@w3.org
bblfish, public-ldp-patch@w3.org ←
14:53:08 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
<betehess> topic: Discuss Proposal: Normative changes for profiles
14:53:31 <betehess> Arnaud: back to chocolate vs vanilla
Arnaud Le Hors: back to chocolate vs vanilla ←
14:53:48 <betehess> ... answered by pierre-antoine
... answered by pierre-antoine ←
14:53:55 <betehess> ... wish there would be more discussions
... wish there would be more discussions ←
14:54:13 <betehess> JohnArwe: you're confusing 2 threads
John Arwe: you're confusing 2 threads ←
14:54:21 <betehess> ... only roger answered to that thread
... only roger answered to that thread ←
14:54:31 <betehess> ... didn't appear to make concrete proposals
... didn't appear to make concrete proposals ←
14:54:55 <betehess> Arnaud: what do people think?
Arnaud Le Hors: what do people think? ←
14:56:14 <betehess> ... is there a real need for this vanilla vs chocolate thing?
... is there a real need for this vanilla vs chocolate thing? ←
14:56:37 <betehess> ... eg. we never say "if we have authentication, then..."
... eg. we never say "if we have authentication, then..." ←
14:56:52 <betehess> ... true for all kind of constraints
... true for all kind of constraints ←
14:57:33 <betehess> ... we said that we can reject a request
... we said that we can reject a request ←
14:57:59 <betehess> ... since we don't have PATCH (only PUT), that's a real problem
... since we don't have PATCH (only PUT), that's a real problem ←
14:58:44 <betehess> ... are people confused about what's been proposed?
... are people confused about what's been proposed? ←
14:58:50 <betehess> ... we need to make progress
... we need to make progress ←
14:59:14 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:59:23 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:59:43 <betehess> bblfish: some much change going on in the docs, need time to read it
Henry Story: some much change going on in the docs, need time to read it ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
15:00:06 <betehess> ... the client need to know when there is an exception
... the client need to know when there is an exception ←
15:00:21 <betehess> ... it's like non-monotonic things
... it's like non-monotonic things ←
15:00:29 <betehess> ... maybe put things in the headers?
... maybe put things in the headers? ←
15:00:52 <betehess> Arnaud: john's email list all the sentences that would change
Arnaud Le Hors: john's email list all the sentences that would change ←
15:01:10 <betehess> ... I think that people just didn't take the time to review those
... I think that people just didn't take the time to review those ←
15:01:15 <bblfish> what is the url for John's e-mail?
Henry Story: what is the url for John's e-mail? ←
15:01:21 <betehess> ... we reached the LC, was exciting, but we're not done
... we reached the LC, was exciting, but we're not done ←
15:01:32 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html
John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html ←
15:01:39 <JohnArwe> (also linked to from agenda)
John Arwe: (also linked to from agenda) ←
15:01:57 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:02:01 <betehess> ... please don't be silent, ask for clarifications
... please don't be silent, ask for clarifications ←
15:02:09 <stevebattle6> Bye
Steve Battle: Bye ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:02:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx
Bart van Leeuwen: thx ←
15:02:14 <bblfish> bye
Henry Story: bye ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> -nmihindu_
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu_ ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> -stevebattle6
Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle6 ←
15:02:31 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
15:02:36 <Arnaud> thanks
Arnaud Le Hors: thanks ←
15:02:48 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:02:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:02:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Arnaud, +1.857.928.aaaa, Alexandre, +1.919.306.aabb, SteveS, JohnArwe, stevebattle6, Ashok_Malhotra, krp, bblfish, BartvanLeeuwen, EricP,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Arnaud, +1.857.928.aaaa, Alexandre, +1.919.306.aabb, SteveS, JohnArwe, stevebattle6, Ashok_Malhotra, krp, bblfish, BartvanLeeuwen, EricP, ←
15:02:52 <Zakim> ... nmihindu, nmihindu_
Zakim IRC Bot: ... nmihindu, nmihindu_ ←
15:02:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:02:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:02:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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