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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 14 November 2013

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  1.  accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-07 link
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14:57:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:57:04 <trackbot> Date: 14 November 2013
14:57:58 <HadleyBeeman> topic: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131114

1. agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131114

14:58:09 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131114

Hadley Beeman: HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131114

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15:01:06 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is sandro

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15:01:06 <Zakim> +sandro; got it

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15:02:19 <sandro> zakim, IPcaller is olyerickson

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15:04:17 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P11 is BenediktKaempgen

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15:06:02 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking?

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15:06:13 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (19%), sandro (14%)

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15:07:17 <sandro> scribe: sandro

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15:07:33 <HadleyBeeman> Proposed:  accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-07

PROPOSED: accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-07

15:07:49 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

15:07:56 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb

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15:08:11 <BenediktKaempgen> I did not participate, can I still vote to accept the minutes?

Benedikt Kaempgen: I did not participate, can I still vote to accept the minutes?

15:08:24 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

15:08:26 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:08:34 <BenediktKaempgen> :-) sounds senseful

Benedikt Kaempgen: :-) sounds senseful

15:08:39 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aabb is fadmaa

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15:08:39 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

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15:08:39 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

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15:08:40 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

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15:09:04 <olyerickson> +1 to the minutes being both parseable and valiud

John Erickson: +1 to the minutes being both parseable and valid

15:09:26 <olyerickson> s/valiud/valid/
15:09:34 <HadleyBeeman> resolved:  accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-07

RESOLVED:  accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-07

15:10:44 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I told people end of November, so I'm expecting I'll get reports by then.

Dave Reynolds: I told people end of November, so I'm expecting I'll get reports by then.

15:11:03 <sandro> DaveReynolds: on Hierarchy Code List, I haven't scared up any reports yet.

Dave Reynolds: on Hierarchy Code List, I haven't scared up any reports yet.

15:11:17 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_PR_transition

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_PR_transition

15:11:24 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Did you see my PR transition template?

Hadley Beeman: Did you see my PR transition template?

15:11:27 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Not yet.

Dave Reynolds: Not yet.

15:12:01 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: It's pretty similar to the CR transition.

Hadley Beeman: It's pretty similar to the CR transition.

15:12:19 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Template looks fine - the challenges will be what we knew from CR.

Dave Reynolds: Template looks fine - the challenges will be what we knew from CR.

15:13:08 <sandro> DaveReynolds: THe issue with cube is about the fuzzy request to track usage of terms.

Dave Reynolds: THe issue with cube is about the fuzzy request to track usage of terms.

15:13:37 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Let's try to present the data we have in a useful way.

Hadley Beeman: Let's try to present the data we have in a useful way.

15:14:44 <sandro> topic: org

2. org

15:14:55 <sandro> DaveReynolds: one more report, so far

Dave Reynolds: one more report, so far

15:15:25 <sandro> DaveReynolds: It's a person who uses org-like terms internally, and who plans to move to org.  One specific comment:

Dave Reynolds: It's a person who uses org-like terms internally, and who plans to move to org. One specific comment:

15:15:38 <sandro> .. we make use of owl:time, which is a WG Note.

.. we make use of owl:time, which is a WG Note.

15:15:53 <sandro> .. Ralph asked we put it At Risk in the CR document and ask for feedback

.. Ralph asked we put it At Risk in the CR document and ask for feedback

15:16:16 <sandro> .. no response on that until this commenter, who strongly supports use of owl:time

.. no response on that until this commenter, who strongly supports use of owl:time

15:16:21 <sandro> .. so that's useful.

.. so that's useful.

15:17:04 <BenediktKaempgen> q+

Benedikt Kaempgen: q+

15:17:38 <sandro> BenediktKaempgen: about org and cube: how realistic is it that we can show usage of all the terms, given that some of the terms .....

Benedikt Kaempgen: about org and cube: how realistic is it that we can show usage of all the terms, given that some of the terms .....

15:18:26 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

15:18:27 <sandro> DaveReynolds: For data cube, our formal exit criteria is two impls that pass all validation tests, and we've already got several more than that.  So our formal criteria DONT require usage of every term.  But the acting director asked us to track usage anyway.

Dave Reynolds: For data cube, our formal exit criteria is two impls that pass all validation tests, and we've already got several more than that. So our formal criteria DONT require usage of every term. But the acting director asked us to track usage anyway.

15:18:55 <sandro> DaveReynolds: 5 passing implementations, and at least use one use of each term

Dave Reynolds: 5 passing implementations, and at least use one use of each term

15:19:23 <sandro> DaveReynolds: we didn't label the HCLs at risk, so we could have a problem if that's not used

Dave Reynolds: we didn't label the HCLs at risk, so we could have a problem if that's not used

15:19:32 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations

15:20:41 <sandro> DaveReynolds: For org, we've got good usage across the board.

Dave Reynolds: For org, we've got good usage across the board.

15:20:55 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Deleting terms would be a problem.

Dave Reynolds: Deleting terms would be a problem.

15:22:16 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: What if that happens, that we don't have impls of some terms?

Hadley Beeman: What if that happens, that we don't have impls of some terms?

15:22:32 <sandro> sandro: technically we wait in CR, unless we can find some flexibility, which we might.

Sandro Hawke: technically we wait in CR, unless we can find some flexibility, which we might.

15:22:42 <sandro> topic: Best Practices

3. Best Practices

15:22:59 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: We're missing all three of the BP editors.

Hadley Beeman: We're missing all three of the BP editors.

15:23:10 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: I sent email yesterday

Hadley Beeman: I sent email yesterday

15:23:22 <HadleyBeeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0021.html

Hadley Beeman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0021.html

15:23:41 <sandro> .. we're running out of time.   very little time for public review.

.. we're running out of time. very little time for public review.

15:23:56 <sandro> .. can't do the 4 weeks public review we planned on

.. can't do the 4 weeks public review we planned on

15:24:34 <sandro> .. options A, B, and C

.. options A, B, and C

15:25:20 <sandro> .. When people look at this, they seem to have a lot to say.   So I'm concerned -- we need time for the WG to get happy with it, and feel it represents our work.

.. When people look at this, they seem to have a lot to say. So I'm concerned -- we need time for the WG to get happy with it, and feel it represents our work.

15:25:29 <sandro> .. I was hoping for guidance from the Editors.

.. I was hoping for guidance from the Editors.

15:25:42 <sandro> .. They say they're discussing it.

.. They say they're discussing it.

15:26:16 <sandro> .. Sandro, you mentioned we could do public review of an Editors Draft, to save a little work

.. Sandro, you mentioned we could do public review of an Editors Draft, to save a little work

15:26:38 <sandro> .. but I'm concerned this document may not come together in a way the WG is willing to publish.

.. but I'm concerned this document may not come together in a way the WG is willing to publish.

15:27:42 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:27:49 <BenediktKaempgen> q-

Benedikt Kaempgen: q-

15:27:57 <HadleyBeeman> sandro:  I'm not sure there's much helpful we can do there.  It's nice to have an explanation for not doing a deliverable: a resolution not to publish it, or asking a future group (the possible Data on the Web BP group) to take it on.

Sandro Hawke: I'm not sure there's much helpful we can do there. It's nice to have an explanation for not doing a deliverable: a resolution not to publish it, or asking a future group (the possible Data on the Web BP group) to take it on. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:28:03 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

15:28:51 <sandro> DaveReynolds: it's not rec track in any case.     so one fallback is to publish a note that has a load of editorial comments in it.   as long as there's SOME WG review.   We can include notes that says which bits still have issues, etc.

Dave Reynolds: it's not rec track in any case. so one fallback is to publish a note that has a load of editorial comments in it. as long as there's SOME WG review. We can include notes that says which bits still have issues, etc.

15:29:28 <olyerickson> a Thought: Could it be published as a note, recognizing it was a 'working document" (an artifact of the group)

John Erickson: a Thought: Could it be published as a note, recognizing it was a 'working document" (an artifact of the group)

15:29:33 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

15:29:44 <HadleyBeeman> sandro:  I agree. I wonder whether to leave it as a working draft, in that case?  Anything we can't get consensus on: include phrasing on it to say that.

Sandro Hawke: I agree. I wonder whether to leave it as a working draft, in that case? Anything we can't get consensus on: include phrasing on it to say that. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:29:51 <HadleyBeeman> ack john

Hadley Beeman: ack john

15:29:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack oly

Hadley Beeman: ack oly

15:31:32 <sandro> olyerickson: I agree.    The BP document was one of the WG's first artifacts.   A number of the sections went in, like URI persistence, then the WG evolved, so we had to formalize vocabularies, so it's reasonable for us to archive this as a NOTE, noting it was a "Working Document" of this group.   So we keep it associated as a formal document.

John Erickson: I agree. The BP document was one of the WG's first artifacts. A number of the sections went in, like URI persistence, then the WG evolved, so we had to formalize vocabularies, so it's reasonable for us to archive this as a NOTE, noting it was a "Working Document" of this group. So we keep it associated as a formal document.

15:32:25 <olyerickson> I think sandro agrees with what I said

John Erickson: I think sandro agrees with what I said

15:32:33 <HadleyBeeman> Sandro: I think the important thing is to try to produce something that will be useful to somebody.  Accurately reflect our wisdom as best we can in the limited time we have left.  Something for historians is less useful : I think we should aim for the public at large.

Sandro Hawke: I think the important thing is to try to produce something that will be useful to somebody. Accurately reflect our wisdom as best we can in the limited time we have left. Something for historians is less useful : I think we should aim for the public at large. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:32:39 <olyerickson> I agree with what sandro said!

John Erickson: I agree with what sandro said!

15:32:41 <sandro> sandro: Let's focus on something useful to the next WG (fallback) or the public at large (ideally)

Sandro Hawke: Let's focus on something useful to the next WG (fallback) or the public at large (ideally)

15:33:13 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Without the editors on the call, we'll point them at these minutes.

Hadley Beeman: Without the editors on the call, we'll point them at these minutes.

15:33:18 <sandro> .. Anyone disagree with this?

.. Anyone disagree with this?

15:33:31 <sandro> .. So, this reflects the brainstorming possibilities.

.. So, this reflects the brainstorming possibilities.

15:33:51 <sandro> .. skipping BP points on agenda

.. skipping BP points on agenda

15:34:02 <sandro> topic: dcat

4. dcat

15:34:02 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me

Fadi Maali: zakim, unmute me

15:34:02 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

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15:34:16 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Where are we on CR comments?

Hadley Beeman: Where are we on CR comments?

15:34:28 <sandro> fadmaa: I still have to reply.  A few of the issues turned into a discussion, (versioning and schema)

Fadi Maali: I still have to reply. A few of the issues turned into a discussion, (versioning and schema)

15:34:34 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments

15:34:46 <fadmaa> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70

Fadi Maali: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70

15:34:59 <HadleyBeeman> issue-70?

Hadley Beeman: ISSUE-70?

15:34:59 <trackbot> issue-70 -- Define dcat:downloadURL as sub property of dcat:accessURL -- raised

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15:34:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70

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15:35:00 <sandro> .. We got a comment about downloadURL and accessURL.   Unfortunately, this required some change to vocab.

.. We got a comment about downloadURL and accessURL. Unfortunately, this required some change to vocab.

15:35:19 <sandro> .. calls for subProperty assertion

.. calls for subProperty assertion

15:35:56 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Is that another last call.

Hadley Beeman: Is that another last call.

15:36:49 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: questions on last call are usually either: does this invalidate an implimentation, or the review of any of the commenters?

Sandro Hawke: questions on last call are usually either: does this invalidate an implimentation, or the review of any of the commenters? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:37:43 <HadleyBeeman> … This would make somebody's code change if they were writing a consumer and using the inference by hand, and using OWL, they would have to add a line.  But we're not looking at consumers.  And on invalidating people's reviews… I don't understand the user community enough to judge that myself.

Hadley Beeman: … This would make somebody's code change if they were writing a consumer and using the inference by hand, and using OWL, they would have to add a line. But we're not looking at consumers. And on invalidating people's reviews… I don't understand the user community enough to judge that myself.

15:37:58 <sandro> sandro: Are there people who would find this subProperty assertion problematic?

Sandro Hawke: Are there people who would find this subProperty assertion problematic?

15:38:15 <sandro> olyerickson: I think these questions are coming from people anticipating using it.

John Erickson: I think these questions are coming from people anticipating using it.

15:38:30 <sandro> olyerickson: There's a good argument for adding the subproperty assertion

John Erickson: There's a good argument for adding the subproperty assertion

15:39:25 <sandro> olyerickson: I'm actually 51/49 around this change.  Not sure it's a good idea.

John Erickson: I'm actually 51/49 around this change. Not sure it's a good idea.

15:40:08 <sandro> sandro: John, in your mind was this a subProperty all along?

Sandro Hawke: John, in your mind was this a subProperty all along?

15:40:12 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: In your mind, was one of these a subProperty of the other all along? or not.

Sandro Hawke: In your mind, was one of these a subProperty of the other all along? or not. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:40:19 <sandro> olyerickson: No, but I can see how that might be useful

John Erickson: No, but I can see how that might be useful

15:41:11 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: that makes me think there may be people for whom that inference would be wrong.  If you were writing data, you were doing so assuming that assertion hadn't been made.  It would be a bug.

Sandro Hawke: that makes me think there may be people for whom that inference would be wrong. If you were writing data, you were doing so assuming that assertion hadn't been made. It would be a bug. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:41:24 <sandro> sandro: So it sounds like you and some others were writing data assuming these properties were independent.

Sandro Hawke: So it sounds like you and some others were writing data assuming these properties were independent.

15:41:31 <sandro> olyerickson: I'm not enthusiastic about this change.

John Erickson: I'm not enthusiastic about this change.

15:42:16 <sandro> fadmaa: It makes sense from a modeling perspective.     I'm trying to think of a case where this isn't correct, and haven't come up with one.

Fadi Maali: It makes sense from a modeling perspective. I'm trying to think of a case where this isn't correct, and haven't come up with one.

15:42:21 <sandro> fadmaa: But is it practical, I don't know.

Fadi Maali: But is it practical, I don't know.

15:42:42 <sandro> olyerickson: Is it an error if the subProperty assertion isn't there?

John Erickson: Is it an error if the subProperty assertion isn't there?

15:42:55 <sandro> fadmaa: No, it's not an error.  It's just better modeling to have it there.

Fadi Maali: No, it's not an error. It's just better modeling to have it there.

15:43:58 <sandro> sandro: It sounds to me like too controvcial a change to make during CR.

Sandro Hawke: It sounds to me like too controvcial a change to make during CR.

15:43:59 <HadleyBeeman> sandro:  this sounds to me like we sholud't have the subproperty assertion. It's not the kind of change we should make during CR.  IT's too big, too controversial.

Sandro Hawke: this sounds to me like we sholud't have the subproperty assertion. It's not the kind of change we should make during CR. IT's too big, too controversial. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:44:04 <olyerickson> I agree with sandro

John Erickson: I agree with sandro

15:44:12 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:44:33 <sandro> fadmaa: Trying to think of how to respond to commenters.

Fadi Maali: Trying to think of how to respond to commenters.

15:45:46 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: think of a case where it's incorrect to be modelling that way.  Or — think of the future.  Would it make sense to include this a next future?  (Not sure what that means for DCAT.  Versioning vocabularies is hard. A future version could have a new property with the subproperty relation.)

Sandro Hawke: think of a case where it's incorrect to be modelling that way. Or — think of the future. Would it make sense to include this a next future? (Not sure what that means for DCAT. Versioning vocabularies is hard. A future version could have a new property with the subproperty relation.) [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:46:39 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:46:52 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: the working group isn't supposed to change its mind about design matters after last call.

Sandro Hawke: the working group isn't supposed to change its mind about design matters after last call. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:47:13 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

15:47:14 <sandro> oly: subPropertyOf creates a relationship that wasn't in the earlier drafts, and it potentially damaging

John Erickson: subPropertyOf creates a relationship that wasn't in the earlier drafts, and it potentially damaging

15:48:23 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I think this is more about the clarity of AccessURL.    DownloadURL is clearly how you get the data.    AccessURL is clearly ANY way you can get at the data.    So, that sounds like a subPropertyOf.

Dave Reynolds: I think this is more about the clarity of AccessURL. DownloadURL is clearly how you get the data. AccessURL is clearly ANY way you can get at the data. So, that sounds like a subPropertyOf.

15:48:46 <sandro> DaveReynolds: If we answer and say it's NOT a subProperty, then we need to say how it's not.

Dave Reynolds: If we answer and say it's NOT a subProperty, then we need to say how it's not.

15:49:16 <sandro> sandro: John....?

Sandro Hawke: John....?

15:49:54 <sandro> olyerickson: I think Dave is perfectly understanding the way AccessURL was intended.   It was always meant as a catchall, it could be anything.

John Erickson: I think Dave is perfectly understanding the way AccessURL was intended. It was always meant as a catchall, it could be anything.

15:50:13 <sandro> olyerickson: DownloadURL is something much more specific.

John Erickson: DownloadURL is something much more specific.

15:50:32 <sandro> olyerickson: As DaveReynolds says, that does sound like subPropertyOf

John Erickson: As DaveReynolds says, that does sound like subPropertyOf

15:50:34 <sandro> q+

q+

15:50:49 <HadleyBeeman> ack sandro

Hadley Beeman: ack sandro

15:51:14 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: maybe there's a nuance here… If you have a downloadURL, you shouldn't have an accessURL? Does it ever make sense to have both, and have them be different?

Sandro Hawke: maybe there's a nuance here… If you have a downloadURL, you shouldn't have an accessURL? Does it ever make sense to have both, and have them be different? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:51:17 <fadmaa> q+

Fadi Maali: q+

15:51:21 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:51:28 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: absolutely

John Erickson: absolutely [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:51:43 <sandro> fadmaa: You can't have them both on the same distribution

Fadi Maali: You can't have them both on the same distribution

15:51:43 <olyerickson> arggghj

John Erickson: arggghj

15:51:53 <fadmaa> zakim, ack me

Fadi Maali: zakim, ack me

15:51:53 <Zakim> I see DaveReynolds on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see DaveReynolds on the speaker queue

15:52:07 <sandro> olyerickson: I don't agree

John Erickson: I don't agree

15:52:09 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:52:36 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: fadmaa and olyerickson  please take this offline.

Hadley Beeman: fadmaa and olyerickson please take this offline.

15:52:51 <sandro> olyerickson: I think it's a question of how it's adopted

John Erickson: I think it's a question of how it's adopted

15:52:57 <DaveReynolds> q-

Dave Reynolds: q-

15:53:02 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Any other unanswered comments?

Hadley Beeman: Any other unanswered comments?

15:53:08 <sandro> fadmaa: Yes a few.

Fadi Maali: Yes a few.

15:53:24 <sandro> fadmaa: The others are simpler, but I need to send emails on the other.

Fadi Maali: The others are simpler, but I need to send emails .

15:53:40 <sandro> s/on the other//
15:53:46 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Please do that soon

Hadley Beeman: Please do that soon

15:53:57 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Implementations#Open_Data_Support

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Implementations#Open_Data_Support

15:54:08 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: DCAT implementaitons?

Hadley Beeman: DCAT implementaitons?

15:54:21 <sandro> fadmaa: One new report, from EU, sparql endpoint.

Fadi Maali: One new report, from EU, sparql endpoint.

15:54:35 <olyerickson> RE DCAT Implementation reports, detailed WHOI report is due to RPI today...

John Erickson: RE DCAT Implementation reports, detailed WHOI report is due to RPI today...

15:54:50 <sandro> fadmaa: It has very good coverage.   A few possible wrong uses of properties -- contacting them.

Fadi Maali: It has very good coverage. A few possible wrong uses of properties -- contacting them.

15:54:51 <olyerickson> (confirmed during this call)

John Erickson: (confirmed during this call)

15:55:16 <sandro> fadmaa: ckan uses some old terms

Fadi Maali: ckan uses some old terms

15:55:25 <sandro> fadmaa: Working with dublink catalog

Fadi Maali: Working with dublink catalog

15:56:08 <olyerickson> sandro: need to understand "wrong usage"

Sandro Hawke: need to understand "wrong usage" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

15:56:22 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: re "wrong usage": obsolete terms don't invalidate the report. But we do need to understand any wrong usage of our terms.  If it's a mistake on their part, it's fine. If they disagree with us, that's important for us to know.

Sandro Hawke: re "wrong usage": obsolete terms don't invalidate the report. But we do need to understand any wrong usage of our terms. If it's a mistake on their part, it's fine. If they disagree with us, that's important for us to know. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:56:46 <olyerickson> re: "wrong usage" thanks for the clarification

Dave Reynolds: "wrong usage" thanks for the clarification [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

15:56:49 <HadleyBeeman> … preferably, our written explanation confirmed by them  as well.

Hadley Beeman: … preferably, our written explanation confirmed by them as well.

15:56:51 <fadmaa> +1 to sandro. sounds great to me

Fadi Maali: +1 to sandro. sounds great to me

15:58:01 <HadleyBeeman> sandro: anything that reflects an impression not supported by the spec, we should do something about that. We would like that opinion to be written down, preferably i nthe spec

Sandro Hawke: anything that reflects an impression not supported by the spec, we should do something about that. We would like that opinion to be written down, preferably in the spec [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:58:10 <HadleyBeeman> s/i nthe/in the
15:58:57 <sandro> fadmaa: dct:rights might be an issue

Fadi Maali: dct:rights might be an issue

15:59:23 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_PR_transition

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_PR_transition

16:01:16 <fadmaa> thanks all

Fadi Maali: thanks all

16:01:18 <Zakim> -olyerickson

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16:01:20 <Zakim> -sandro

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16:01:23 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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16:01:24 <BenediktKaempgen> bye!

Benedikt Kaempgen: bye!

16:01:24 <Zakim> -fadmaa

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16:01:26 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

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16:01:27 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

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16:01:27 <Zakim> Attendees were HadleyBeeman, +1.781.642.aaaa, sandro, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, +3539149aabb, fadmaa

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16:01:30 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks for scribing, sandro!

Hadley Beeman: Thanks for scribing, sandro!



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