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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 23 May 2013

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Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Biplav Srivastava, Dave Reynolds, Fadi Maali, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, James McKinney, Joao Almeida, John Erickson, Makx Dekkers, Martín Álvarez, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen
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Fadi Maali
IRC Log
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Resolutions
  1. accept last week minutes link
  2. transitioning ADMS into a working group note link
  3. transitioning RegOrg into a working group note link
  4. We'd like to extend the Working Group so that we can finish our NOTES and see our three Rec-Track documents through to REC. link
Topics
14:00:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-irc

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14:00:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:01:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:01:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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14:01:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:01:03 <trackbot> Date: 23 May 2013
14:01:06 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]

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14:01:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:01:10 <HadleyBeeman1> zakim, mozilla is me

Hadley Beeman: zakim, mozilla is me

14:01:10 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman1; got it

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14:01:17 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who is here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who is here?

14:01:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P9, Sandro, HadleyBeeman1, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P9, Sandro, HadleyBeeman1, [IPcaller]

14:01:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, james, gatemezi, olyerickson, hadleybeeman, danbri, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, james, gatemezi, olyerickson, hadleybeeman, danbri, sandro, trackbot

14:01:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, hadleybeeman1 is me

Hadley Beeman: zakim, hadleybeeman1 is me

14:01:26 <Zakim> +hadleybeeman; got it

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14:01:34 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

John Erickson: zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

14:01:34 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aaaa

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14:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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14:01:34 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

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14:01:34 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P9 is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, ??P9 is BenediktKaempgen

14:01:35 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

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14:02:00 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee

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14:02:11 <fadmaa> Zakim, DeirdreLee is me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, DeirdreLee is me

14:02:12 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

14:02:14 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

14:02:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

14:02:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:02:44 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me

14:02:44 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

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14:02:45 <hadleybeeman> zakim, deirdrelee is fadmaa

Hadley Beeman: zakim, deirdrelee is fadmaa

14:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'deirdrelee'

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14:02:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:03:03 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who's on the call?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who's on the call?

14:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see BenediktKaempgen, Sandro, hadleybeeman, olyerickson, james, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BenediktKaempgen, Sandro, hadleybeeman, olyerickson, james, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, DaveReynolds

14:03:21 <Zakim> +gatemezi

Zakim IRC Bot: +gatemezi

14:03:22 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aaaa is biplav

Hadley Beeman: zakim, aaaa is biplav

14:03:23 <Zakim> +biplav; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +biplav; got it

14:03:34 <olyerickson> PhilA is an octave lower than everyone else...

John Erickson: PhilA is an octave lower than everyone else...

14:04:20 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130523

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130523

14:04:30 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:04:31 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

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14:04:35 <olyerickson> +1 fadmaa !

John Erickson: +1 fadmaa !

14:04:36 <fadmaa> scribe: fadmaa

(Scribe set to Fadi Maali)

14:04:43 <PhilA> fadmaa++

Phil Archer: fadmaa++

14:04:43 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-16

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-16

14:04:55 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers

14:05:18 <fadmaa> PROPOSAL: accepting last telco minutes

PROPOSED: accepting last telco minutes

14:05:19 <olyerickson> +1 to last week's minutes... well formatted etc

John Erickson: +1 to last week's minutes... well formatted etc

14:05:28 <james> +1

James McKinney: +1

14:05:30 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:05:31 <DaveReynolds> +1 to minutes

Dave Reynolds: +1 to minutes

14:05:34 <gatemezi> +1 to last week's minutes

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to last week's minutes

14:05:41 <olyerickson> All Hail the Hail in Mother Englang!

John Erickson: All Hail the Hail in Mother Englang!

14:05:49 <Biplav> +1

Biplav Srivastava: +1

14:05:56 <olyerickson> (England...)

John Erickson: (England...)

14:05:57 <fadmaa> RESOLUTION: accept last week minutes

RESOLVED: accept last week minutes

14:06:09 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Data Cube

1. Data Cube

14:06:57 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:06:58 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

14:07:03 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: for ORG we decided it is not necessary to track all implementations and the use of every term

Dave Reynolds: for ORG we decided it is not necessary to track all implementations and the use of every term

14:07:07 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

14:07:07 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it

14:07:08 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P4 is me

14:07:09 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:07:51 <fadmaa> ... exit criteria for SKOS are weaker than we proposed for ORG

... exit criteria for SKOS are weaker than we proposed for ORG

14:08:11 <fadmaa> ... marking properties that are not used twice as "at risk" didn't fly

... marking properties that are not used twice as "at risk" didn't fly

14:08:39 <fadmaa> ... we decide to track implementations at the feature level

... we decide to track implementations at the feature level

14:09:00 <fadmaa> ... I grouped properties in features

... I grouped properties in features

14:09:25 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: thanks for all the work Dave

Hadley Beeman: thanks for all the work Dave

14:09:39 <gatemezi> s/TOPIC: Data Cube / TOPIC:ORG

Ghislain Atemezing: s/TOPIC: Data Cube / TOPIC:ORG (warning: replacement failed)

14:10:38 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we need to clarify the exit criteria

Dave Reynolds: we need to clarify the exit criteria

14:11:10 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: for example we can have two implementations of every feature and one implementation for every term

Dave Reynolds: for example we can have two implementations of every feature and one implementation for every term

14:11:20 <fadmaa> ... I will write this down in an email

... I will write this down in an email

14:11:21 <PhilA> The topic is a report on the transition call yesterday that discussed ORG and QB which we're hoping will move to CR

Phil Archer: The topic is a report on the transition call yesterday that discussed ORG and QB which we're hoping will move to CR

14:12:40 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: Given the integrity constraints in data cube, it is more straightforward to define exit criteria

Dave Reynolds: Given the integrity constraints in data cube, it is more straightforward to define exit criteria

14:13:07 <fadmaa> ... integrity constraints do not address all the terms

... integrity constraints do not address all the terms

14:13:35 <fadmaa> ... tracking all the implementations on the term level for Data Cube is challenging

... tracking all the implementations on the term level for Data Cube is challenging

14:13:48 <fadmaa> ... we won't be tracking abstract classes for example

... we won't be tracking abstract classes for example

14:14:11 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

14:14:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P30 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P30 is me

14:14:19 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:15:13 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: do we need further help regarding the implementation reports and hosting a tool for that?

Hadley Beeman: do we need further help regarding the implementation reports and hosting a tool for that?

14:15:38 <hadleybeeman> and executing the CR exit criteria assessment.

Hadley Beeman: and executing the CR exit criteria assessment.

14:16:03 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I am not clear on the actual execution

Dave Reynolds: I am not clear on the actual execution

14:16:32 <BenediktKaempgen> did we get the report on the transition call per mail?

Benedikt Kaempgen: did we get the report on the transition call per mail?

14:16:38 <fadmaa> sandro: Dave and me can discuss via emails, maybe we can find some shortcut

Sandro Hawke: Dave and me can discuss via emails, maybe we can find some shortcut

14:17:30 <fadmaa> PhilA: getting into a CR is one thing but getting out of it needs to be kept in mind

Phil Archer: getting into a CR is one thing but getting out of it needs to be kept in mind

14:17:35 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: agree

Dave Reynolds: agree

14:17:59 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we need a clear idea about the future of the working group

Dave Reynolds: we need a clear idea about the future of the working group

14:18:40 <PhilA> DaveReynolds++

Phil Archer: DaveReynolds++

14:18:40 <olyerickson> +1 to DaveReynolds !

John Erickson: +1 to DaveReynolds !

14:18:50 <DaveReynolds> Thanks!

Dave Reynolds: Thanks!

14:18:58 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Extension to the working group's charter

2. Extension to the working group's charter

14:19:10 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: we have only one week left

Hadley Beeman: we have only one week left

14:19:36 <fadmaa> sandro: nothing has changed re. our chances of getting an extension

Sandro Hawke: nothing has changed re. our chances of getting an extension

14:19:44 <fadmaa> ... we need to get into a CR

... we need to get into a CR

14:19:59 <fadmaa> ... which looks very much doable

... which looks very much doable

14:20:27 <fadmaa> ... hard to confirm whether having a CR is sufficient to get an extension

... hard to confirm whether having a CR is sufficient to get an extension

14:20:45 <fadmaa> ... we need to wait for a formal meeting which might not happen soon

... we need to wait for a formal meeting which might not happen soon

14:21:19 <fadmaa> ... but we still can work for a week or so even before confirming the extension

... but we still can work for a week or so even before confirming the extension

14:21:51 <fadmaa> sandro: we need to formally capture that people are willing to continue working on the pending items

Sandro Hawke: we need to formally capture that people are willing to continue working on the pending items

14:22:06 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:22:23 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:22:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P4 is me

14:22:27 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:22:51 <fadmaa> PhilA: there is an approval for the working group that will continue this WG work

Phil Archer: there is an approval for the working group that will continue work in this broad area

14:22:58 <fadmaa> ... starting around September

... starting around September

14:23:20 <DaveReynolds> s/continue this WG work/continue work in this broad area/
14:23:55 <Biplav> q+

Biplav Srivastava: q+

14:24:10 <gatemezi> @Dave: I'll send you the file and a capture of the error

Ghislain Atemezing: @Dave: I'll send you the file and a capture of the error

14:24:24 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: from work perspective, we need to get Cube and Org into PR and DCAT into CR

Hadley Beeman: from work perspective, we need to get Cube and Org into PR and DCAT into CR

14:24:36 <fadmaa> ... and get the notes into transition

... and get the notes into transition

14:24:58 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

14:25:15 <PhilA> ack Biplav

Phil Archer: ack Biplav

14:25:18 <olyerickson> sorry lost my skype...

John Erickson: sorry lost my skype...

14:25:24 <olyerickson> dialing in again :(

John Erickson: dialing in again :(

14:25:32 <olyerickson> +1 to carrying on

John Erickson: +1 to carrying on

14:25:53 <fadmaa> Biplav: one direction is to finish remaining work, the other direction is what's next

Biplav Srivastava: one direction is to finish remaining work, the other direction is what's next

14:26:14 <fadmaa> Biplav: I found the email from Phil on open API very interesting

Biplav Srivastava: I found the email from Phil on open API very interesting

14:26:23 <fadmaa> ... so far we focused only on data

... so far we focused only on data

14:26:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:26:32 <olyerickson> zakim, I am [ipcaller]

John Erickson: zakim, I am [ipcaller]

14:26:32 <Zakim> ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

14:26:45 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

14:26:50 <olyerickson> I think DCAT will be quick....

John Erickson: I think DCAT will be quick....

14:26:51 <martinA> zakim, ??p13 is me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p13 is me

14:26:51 <Zakim> +martinA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martinA; got it

14:27:47 <Biplav> For some reason, I cannot hear anything

Biplav Srivastava: For some reason, I cannot hear anything

14:28:00 <Biplav> Dropping-off, and reconnecting

Biplav Srivastava: Dropping-off, and reconnecting

14:28:04 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:28:15 <Zakim> -biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: -biplav

14:28:55 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.80.67.84.aabb

14:29:20 <Biplav> zakim, aabb is me

Biplav Srivastava: zakim, aabb is me

14:29:20 <Zakim> sorry, Biplav, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Biplav, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

14:29:29 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:30:34 <PhilA> q- DaveReynolds

Phil Archer: q- DaveReynolds

14:30:34 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:30:43 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Transition ADMS into Note

3. Transition ADMS into Note

14:30:46 <PhilA> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html

Phil Archer: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html

14:31:16 <fadmaa> PhilA: I followed up on all the comments that have been made. ADMS is a DCAT profile now

Phil Archer: I followed up on all the comments that have been made. ADMS is a DCAT profile now

14:31:48 <fadmaa> PhilA: still waits for DCAT to add contactPoint

Phil Archer: still waits for DCAT to add contactPoint

14:32:07 <fadmaa> PhilA: it is being used extensively by the European Commision

Phil Archer: it is being used extensively by the European Commision

14:32:34 <fadmaa> ... if there is no comments on it ,I'd like to publish it as a note

... if there is no comments on it ,I'd like to publish it as a note

14:32:46 <hadleybeeman> ack sandro

Hadley Beeman: ack sandro

14:32:58 <fadmaa> sandro asks about the identifier in ADMS

sandro asks about the identifier in ADMS

14:33:18 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:33:19 <olyerickson> re adms:Identifier see: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html#dt_identifier

John Erickson: re adms:Identifier see: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/adms/index.html#dt_identifier

14:33:25 <fadmaa> PROPOSAL: transition ADMS to a working group note

PROPOSED: transition ADMS to a working group note

14:33:28 <james> +1

James McKinney: +1

14:33:29 <fadmaa> +1

+1

14:33:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

14:33:31 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:33:31 <Biplav> +1

Biplav Srivastava: +1

14:33:31 <hadleybeeman> +1 for Sandro

Hadley Beeman: +1 for Sandro

14:33:32 <PhilA> sandro says  +1

Phil Archer: sandro says +1

14:33:32 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:33:33 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:33:34 <martinA> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

14:33:36 <tinagheen> +1

Tina Gheen: +1

14:33:38 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:33:38 <olyerickson> +1

John Erickson: +1

14:33:52 <olyerickson> +1 to PhilA !

John Erickson: +1 to PhilA !

14:33:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:34:17 <fadmaa> RESOLVED: transitioning ADMS into a working group note

RESOLVED: transitioning ADMS into a working group note

14:34:37 <fadmaa> sandro: what about the references? dcat is referred to as a working draft

Sandro Hawke: what about the references? dcat is referred to as a working draft

14:35:17 <PhilA> topic: RegOrg https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html
14:35:35 <fadmaa> PhilA: RegOrg is now in alignment with Org

Phil Archer: RegOrg is now in alignment with Org

14:36:11 <fadmaa> .. it defined some new properties, it refers to ADMS identifier

.. it defined some new properties, it refers to ADMS identifier

14:36:28 <fadmaa> ... its main usecase is describing corporates

... its main usecase is describing corporates

14:36:45 <fadmaa> ... if no comment on it, I'd like to publish it as a note

... if no comment on it, I'd like to publish it as a note

14:37:37 <fadmaa> PROPOSAL: transition RegOrg to a working group note

PROPOSED: transition RegOrg to a working group note

14:37:45 <olyerickson> +1

John Erickson: +1

14:37:47 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:37:49 <fadmaa> +1

+1

14:37:49 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:37:50 <tinagheen> +1

Tina Gheen: +1

14:37:50 <martinA> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

14:37:54 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:37:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:38:04 <PhilA> sandro +1

Phil Archer:

14:38:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

14:38:10 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:38:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P4 is me

14:38:14 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:38:19 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:38:37 <sandro> s/sandro +1/
14:38:38 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:38:42 <olyerickson> Makes reference to org:identifier

John Erickson: Makes reference to org:identifier

14:38:56 <olyerickson> is there another browser than Chrome?

John Erickson: is there another browser than Chrome?

14:39:00 <fadmaa> gatemezi: the references don't appear on my browser

Ghislain Atemezing: the references don't appear on my browser

14:39:11 <fadmaa> PhilA: yes donot appear correctly on Chrome

Phil Archer: yes donot appear correctly on Chrome

14:39:16 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:39:27 <james> +1

James McKinney: +1

14:39:30 <fadmaa> RESOLVED: transitioning RegOrg into a working group note

RESOLVED: transitioning RegOrg into a working group note

14:39:30 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:39:40 <PhilA> Thank you everyone

Phil Archer: Thank you everyone

14:39:41 <olyerickson> Seriously, this is browser-dependent? Whoa...

John Erickson: Seriously, this is browser-dependent? Whoa...

14:40:11 <fadmaa> TOPIC: DCAT Issues

5. DCAT Issues

14:40:47 <fadmaa> olyerickson: we went through all the issues

John Erickson: we went through all the issues

14:40:51 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

14:40:51 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should no longer be muted

14:41:28 <hadleybeeman> fadmaa:  we've had proposals for all the issues.  We've closed a couple of them.  Half issues are on the editing side, still left to be done.

Fadi Maali: we've had proposals for all the issues. We've closed a couple of them. Half issues are on the editing side, still left to be done. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:41:33 <olyerickson> Need URL...

John Erickson: Need URL...

14:41:38 <hadleybeeman> fadmaa:  Last version has contactPoint added now

Fadi Maali: Last version has contactPoint added now [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:42:05 <hadleybeeman> …  Two main issues to discuss (now or by email).  Licences/rights and date formats.

Hadley Beeman: … Two main issues to discuss (now or by email). Licences/rights and date formats.

14:42:07 <gatemezi> fadmaa: there are 2 main issues lefted to be discusses..re using License and Date format

Fadi Maali: there are 2 main issues lefted to be discussed..re using License and Date format [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:42:28 <fadmaa> olyerickson: there is a suggestion to use dct:rights instead of dct:license

John Erickson: there is a suggestion to use dct:rights instead of dct:license

14:42:38 <PhilA> issue-60?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-60?

14:42:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-60 -- dct:license vs. dct:rights -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-60 -- dct:license vs. dct:rights -- raised

14:42:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/60

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/60

14:42:38 <fadmaa> ... most notably from Jeni Tennison

... most notably from Jeni Tennison

14:42:53 <fadmaa> ... rights is "looser" which makes it broader

... rights is "looser" which makes it broader

14:43:25 <MakxDekkers> DCMI does not agree with the "looser" interpretation

Makx Dekkers: DCMI does not agree with the "looser" interpretation

14:43:36 <fadmaa> olyerickson: the proposal is to use dct:rights instead of dct:license

John Erickson: the proposal is to use dct:rights instead of dct:license

14:44:16 <gatemezi> s/discusses/discussed
14:44:20 <fadmaa> MakxDekkers: DCMI states that dct:rights range is a resource

Makx Dekkers: DCMI states that dct:rights range is a resource

14:45:24 <fadmaa> olyerickson: I am happy with defining dct:rights with a suggestion that using dct:license is also possible

John Erickson: I am happy with defining dct:rights with a suggestion that using dct:license is also possible

14:45:26 <fadmaa> q+

q+

14:47:13 <fadmaa> q-

q-

14:47:13 <gatemezi> fadmaa: support to use dct:License

Fadi Maali: support to use dct:rights [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:47:21 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:47:38 <gatemezi> hadleybeeman: are you happy for the conclusion of the issue?

Hadley Beeman: are you happy for the conclusion of the issue? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:47:54 <DaveReynolds> s/use dct:License/use dct:rights/
14:47:57 <MakxDekkers> +1 for dct:rights

Makx Dekkers: +1 for dct:rights

14:47:59 <PhilA> issue-63?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-63?

14:47:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- How to treat underspecified dates in DCAT? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- How to treat underspecified dates in DCAT? -- raised

14:47:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/63

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/63

14:48:10 <gatemezi> hadleybeeman: So, could we close issue-60?

Hadley Beeman: So, could we close ISSUE-60? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:49:08 <fadmaa> olyerickson: Phil's suggestion is to drop the recommendation to use a specific format

John Erickson: Phil's suggestion is to drop the recommendation to use a specific format

14:49:24 <olyerickson>  Phil's suggestion is to drop this and say something like: use a date formatted as one of the formats defined in XSD such as xdd:year, xdd:date, etc.

John Erickson:  Phil's suggestion is to drop this and say something like: use a date formatted as one of the formats defined in XSD such as xdd:year, xdd:date, etc.

14:49:38 <DaveReynolds> +1 to Phil's suggestion on this

Dave Reynolds: +1 to Phil's suggestion on this

14:49:46 <olyerickson> Someone else talk if you can't hear me :(

John Erickson: Someone else talk if you can't hear me :(

14:50:32 <fadmaa> PhilA: in my experience asking for a specific format as for example xsd:datetime forces people to make inaccurate statements

Phil Archer: in my experience asking for a specific format as for example xsd:datetime forces people to make inaccurate statements

14:50:34 <fadmaa> +1

+1

14:50:47 <PhilA> rdfs:Literal using the relevant ISO 8601 Date and Time compliant string and typed using the appropriate XML Schema datatype [[XMLSCHEMA-2]]

Phil Archer: rdfs Literal using the relevant ISO 8601 Date and Time compliant string and typed using the appropriate XML Schema datatype [[XMLSCHEMA-2]]

14:51:20 <olyerickson> +!

John Erickson: +!

14:52:12 <gatemezi> fadmaa: versioning is not included in DCAT

Fadi Maali: versioning is not included in DCAT [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:52:42 <gatemezi> hadleybeeman: when do you think we can go to LC?

Hadley Beeman: when do you think we can go to LC? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:53:16 <gatemezi> fadmaa: some editions task to do...but do we need to answer to all the questions received?

Fadi Maali: some editions task to do...but do we need to answer to all the questions received? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:53:33 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:54:27 <gatemezi> fadmaa: Richard is quite busy, but will answer wording with olyerickson

Fadi Maali: Richard is quite busy, but will answer wording with olyerickson [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:54:35 <olyerickson> so be quick...

John Erickson: so be quick...

14:54:59 <fadmaa> ACTION: fadmaa to finish editing DCAT SPEC and reply to feedback email by next Tuesday

ACTION: fadmaa to finish editing DCAT SPEC and reply to feedback email by next Tuesday

14:54:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Finish editing DCAT SPEC and reply to feedback email by next Tuesday [on Fadi Maali - due 2013-05-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-140 - Finish editing DCAT SPEC and reply to feedback email by next Tuesday [on Fadi Maali - due 2013-05-30].

14:55:20 <olyerickson> +1 to continuing GLD WG to whenever

John Erickson: +1 to continuing GLD WG to whenever

14:55:40 <olyerickson> ;)

John Erickson: ;)

14:55:45 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'd like to extend the Working Group so that we can finish our NOTES and see our three Rec-Track documents through to REC.

PROPOSED: We'd like to extend the Working Group so that we can finish our NOTES and see our three Rec-Track documents through to REC.

14:55:46 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

14:55:46 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted

14:55:52 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:55:55 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:55:55 <Biplav> +1

Biplav Srivastava: +1

14:55:57 <gatemezi> +1 to continuing GLD WG for 2 months

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to continuing GLD WG for 2 months

14:55:57 <fadmaa> +1

+1

14:55:58 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:55:58 <tinagheen> +1

Tina Gheen: +1

14:56:01 <james> +1

James McKinney: +1

14:56:01 <martinA> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

14:56:02 <olyerickson> +1 to what sandro proposed

John Erickson: +1 to what sandro proposed

14:56:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

14:56:06 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:56:06 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:56:19 <sandro> RESOLVED: We'd like to extend the Working Group so that we can finish our NOTES and see our three Rec-Track documents through to REC.

RESOLVED: We'd like to extend the Working Group so that we can finish our NOTES and see our three Rec-Track documents through to REC.

14:56:34 <olyerickson> Bye!

John Erickson: Bye!

14:56:38 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

14:57:20 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:57:39 <BenediktKaempgen> i can give the status of qb ucr

Benedikt Kaempgen: i can give the status of qb ucr

14:58:35 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers

14:58:45 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: I received some feedback regarding the qb ucr

Benedikt Kaempgen: I received some feedback regarding the qb ucr

14:59:04 <fadmaa> ... both editorial and content-related feedback

... both editorial and content-related feedback

14:59:38 <fadmaa> ... requirements int he documents need to be changed as some of them are relevant to tools but not to the vocabulary

... requirements in the documents need to be changed as some of them are relevant to tools but not to the vocabulary

14:59:53 <fadmaa> s/int he /in the /
15:00:21 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: DaveReynolds asks if it is still worth the efforts of continuing this

Benedikt Kaempgen: DaveReynolds asks if it is still worth the efforts of continuing this

15:00:51 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: I can address the comments I got but can't add new parts to it

Benedikt Kaempgen: I can address the comments I got but can't add new parts to it

15:01:05 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:01:53 <fadmaa> ... I suggest that I do the required editing  and then publish it as  a note

... I suggest that I do the required editing and then publish it as a first public working draft

15:02:07 <hadleybeeman> s/note/first public working draft
15:02:08 <fadmaa> ... if people are not happy with the document, I am fine with not publishing it

... if people are not happy with the document, I am fine with not publishing it

15:02:32 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

15:02:58 <fadmaa> PhilA: good to hear that BenediktKaempgen is willing to continue working ont he document

Phil Archer: good to hear that BenediktKaempgen is willing to continue working ont he document

15:03:34 <fadmaa> ... I am trying to figure out the purpose of the document as Cube is done so it won't inform it

... I am trying to figure out the purpose of the document as Cube is done so it won't inform it

15:04:17 <fadmaa> ... the question is whether the document is useful outside the scope of the vocabulary design

... the question is whether the document is useful outside the scope of the vocabulary design

15:04:50 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: I think Sandro said that having a ucr is good from the implementer perspective

Hadley Beeman: I think Sandro said that having a ucr is good from the implementer perspective

15:05:02 <Zakim> -gatemezi

Zakim IRC Bot: -gatemezi

15:05:07 <fadmaa> ... is it worth having the document as input for implementers?

... is it worth having the document as input for implementers?

15:05:27 <DaveReynolds> sounds like a lot more work to me!

Dave Reynolds: sounds like a lot more work to me!

15:06:22 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

15:07:03 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: currently the ucr document is an overview of the tools and application that could use and benefit from the Cube vocabulary

Benedikt Kaempgen: currently the ucr document is an overview of the tools and application that could use and benefit from the Cube vocabulary

15:07:27 <fadmaa> ... it help someone to make the decision whether to use the vocabulary

... it help someone to make the decision whether to use the vocabulary

15:07:51 <fadmaa> ... the spec helps someone who already decided to use the vocabulary

... the spec helps someone who already decided to use the vocabulary

15:08:03 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:08:49 <hadleybeeman> ack dave

Hadley Beeman: ack dave

15:10:09 <Zakim> -biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: -biplav

15:10:16 <PhilA> Can I emphasise again that I was not making a criticism. You wanna see me try and write German?

Phil Archer: Can I emphasise again that I was not making a criticism. You wanna see me try and write German?

15:10:25 <hadleybeeman> :)

Hadley Beeman: :)

15:11:10 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I am not sure if there exists a working draft status for note in the W3C process

Dave Reynolds: I am not sure if there exists a working draft status for note in the W3C process

15:12:27 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: we did it for the best practices to get multiple rounds of feedback

Hadley Beeman: we did it for the best practices to get multiple rounds of feedback

15:13:59 <fadmaa> hadleybeeman: what is your recommendation?

Hadley Beeman: what is your recommendation?

15:14:18 <fadmaa> BenediktKaempgen: I can give it a try. implement the feedback I got (mostly the editorial ones)

Benedikt Kaempgen: I can give it a try. implement the feedback I got (mostly the editorial ones)

15:14:51 <fadmaa> ... then I can ask for feedback and then we can decide accordingly

... then I can ask for feedback and then we can decide accordingly

15:15:17 <PhilA> Just publish it as a Note

Phil Archer: Just publish it as a Note

15:15:19 <fadmaa> ... whether to continue toward publishing the document as a note

... whether to continue toward publishing the document as a note

15:15:31 <PhilA> It can be updated if desired or it can be left as as

Phil Archer: It can be updated if desired or it can be left as is

15:15:40 <PhilA> s/as as/as is/
15:17:01 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:17:06 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

15:17:17 <sandro> yes

Sandro Hawke: yes

15:17:25 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks all!

Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks all!

15:17:31 <Zakim> -martinA

Zakim IRC Bot: -martinA

15:17:33 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen

15:17:34 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

15:17:35 <Zakim> -tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen

15:17:36 <Zakim> -james

Zakim IRC Bot: -james

15:17:48 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

15:17:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, hadleybeeman, PhilA, DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, hadleybeeman, PhilA, DaveReynolds

15:17:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinA, PhilA, Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, hadleybeeman, danbri, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinA, PhilA, Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, hadleybeeman, danbri, sandro, trackbot

15:19:28 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:19:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

15:22:17 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, make notes public

RRSAgent, make notes public

15:22:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make notes public', fadmaa.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make notes public', fadmaa. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:22:28 <hadleybeeman> thanks again, fadmaa!

Hadley Beeman: thanks again, fadmaa!

15:22:30 <hadleybeeman> :) have a good week

Hadley Beeman: :) have a good week

15:26:17 <fadmaa> thanks hadleybeeman

thanks hadleybeeman

15:31:54 <fadmaa> s/rdfs: Literal/rdfs Literal/

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15:31:58 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:31:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

15:32:49 <fadmaa> s/rdfs:Literal/rdfs Literal/
15:32:53 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:32:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-gld-minutes.html fadmaa

15:37:54 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is on the call?

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Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is on the call?

15:37:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, hadleybeeman, PhilA, DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, hadleybeeman, PhilA, DaveReynolds

15:37:56 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:38:09 <sandro> grrrrr, call waiting dropped me.   sorry.

Sandro Hawke: grrrrr, call waiting dropped me. sorry.

15:38:15 <hadleybeeman> no worries

Hadley Beeman: no worries

15:38:18 <sandro> and zakim says the call is over so I cant get back in.

Sandro Hawke: and zakim says the call is over so I cant get back in.

15:38:26 <hadleybeeman> oh dear.

Hadley Beeman: oh dear.

15:38:38 <sandro> can we switch to a new code?

Sandro Hawke: can we switch to a new code?

15:39:07 <sandro>  code 26633 (CONF3

Sandro Hawke: code 26633 (CONF3

15:39:10 <sandro> )

Sandro Hawke: )

15:39:41 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

15:39:50 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds

15:39:51 <Zakim> -hadleybeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -hadleybeeman

15:39:51 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

15:39:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, hadleybeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, james, fadmaa, PhilA, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, biplav, MakxDekkers, tinagheen,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, hadleybeeman, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, james, fadmaa, PhilA, DaveReynolds, gatemezi, biplav, MakxDekkers, tinagheen,

15:39:51 <Zakim> ... JoaoPauloAlmeida, BartvanLeeuwen, [IPcaller], martinA, +91.80.67.84.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JoaoPauloAlmeida, BartvanLeeuwen, [IPcaller], martinA, +91.80.67.84.aabb

15:40:06 <PhilA> I'm on CONF 3

Phil Archer: I'm on CONF 3

15:40:21 <sandro> sorry -- i;ll be right there

Sandro Hawke: sorry -- i;ll be right there



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