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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 23 January 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150123
Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Joao Almeida, Makx Dekkers, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Vagner Diniz, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Newton Calegari
Chair
Deirdre Lee
Scribe
Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16 link
  2. To include this para or something like it, in the intro link
  3. That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html link
  4. That the BP doc currently at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published as a FPWD link
Topics
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13:55:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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13:55:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:55:21 <trackbot> Date: 23 January 2015
13:55:48 <deirdrelee> rrsagent, make logs public

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13:55:48 <deirdrelee> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:58:00 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

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13:58:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

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13:58:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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13:58:22 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller] is me

13:58:22 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

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13:59:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:00:03 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me

14:00:03 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

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14:00:13 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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14:00:27 <Zakim> +annette_g

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14:01:16 <Zakim> +ericstephan

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14:01:32 <Zakim> +??P21

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14:01:47 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P21 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P21 is me

14:01:47 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it

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14:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aaaa

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14:02:13 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

14:02:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa

14:02:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro,

14:02:16 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

14:02:29 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaaa is me

Eric Kauz: zakim, aaaa is me

14:02:29 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it

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14:02:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:02:39 <phila> zakim, [ is me

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is me

14:02:39 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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14:02:40 <Caroline_> newton and I will call in 1min

Caroline Burle: newton and I will call in 1min

14:03:06 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29

14:03:38 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

14:03:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, ??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, ??P29

14:03:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro,

14:03:40 <Zakim> ... sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro, trackbot

14:03:47 <AdrianoC> zakim, ??P29 is AdrianoC

Adriano Pereira: zakim, ??P29 is AdrianoC

14:03:47 <Zakim> +AdrianoC; got it

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14:04:00 <phila> scribe: phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

14:04:05 <phila> scribeNick: phila
14:04:14 <phila> chair: Deirdre
14:04:25 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150123
14:04:39 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?

zakim, who is noisy?

14:04:45 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni

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14:04:50 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (32%), MTCarrasco (21%)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (32%), MTCarrasco (21%)

14:05:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> hi all

Riccardo Albertoni: hi all

14:05:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:05:16 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Laufer: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:05:16 <Zakim> +laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it

14:05:27 <laufer> Zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: Zakim, mute me

14:05:28 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

14:05:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

14:05:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer (muted)

14:05:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see laufer, newton, riccardoAlbertoni, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see laufer, newton, riccardoAlbertoni, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee,

14:05:40 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

14:06:01 <laufer> \me hi deirdre

Carlos Laufer: \me hi deirdre

14:06:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:06:07 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

14:06:07 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

14:06:22 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso

14:06:30 <Caroline_> Zakim, yaso is Caroline_

Caroline Burle: Zakim, yaso is Caroline_

14:06:30 <Zakim> +Caroline_; got it

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14:06:43 <newton> Zakim, Caroline_ has newton

Newton Calegari: Zakim, Caroline_ has newton

14:06:43 <Zakim> +newton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it

14:07:00 <phila> deirdrelee: Opens the meeteing

Deirdre Lee: Opens the meeteing

14:07:12 <phila> ... we have a couple of decisions to make today

... we have a couple of decisions to make today

14:07:25 <phila> ... whether we publish FPWD of the BP and the next WD of the UCR

... whether we publish FPWD of the BP and the next WD of the UCR

14:07:40 <phila> ... acknowledge the huge amount of work being done this week

... acknowledge the huge amount of work being done this week

14:07:40 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee. It's been a busy couple of weeks. Well done us! :)

Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee. It's been a busy couple of weeks. Well done us! :)

14:07:46 <phila> ... as a result we have a lot of content in the doc

... as a result we have a lot of content in the doc

14:08:09 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

14:08:13 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:08:21 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:08:22 <BernadetteLoscio> 1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 1

14:08:24 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:08:24 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:08:25 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:08:25 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:08:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:08:29 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:08:31 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:08:31 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

14:08:34 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

14:08:41 <gatemezi> +0 was absent

Ghislain Atemezing: +0 was absent

14:08:45 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:08:53 <phila> Topic: BP Document

1. UCR Document

14:09:17 <phila> s/BP Document/UCR Document/
14:09:32 <phila> deirdrelee: Doc looks pretty complete. Now very few open issues. Most have been resolved

Deirdre Lee: Doc looks pretty complete. Now very few open issues. Most have been resolved

14:09:50 <phila> ... some we may need to reopen some again, should some reqs be refined

... some we may need to reopen some again, should some reqs be refined

14:10:10 <phila> ... strong set of reqs. Each req leads to multiple UCs and vice versa

... strong set of reqs. Each req leads to multiple UCs and vice versa

14:10:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:10:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:10:29 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:10:39 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html the UCR doc

-> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html the UCR doc

14:10:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:10:54 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:10:57 <phila> deirdrelee: Any comments on the UCR doc

Deirdre Lee: Any comments on the UCR doc

14:11:00 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:11:00 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

14:11:06 <annette_g> it's *first* PWD, no?

Annette Greiner: it's *first* PWD, no?

14:11:11 <phila> deirdrelee: And so to the BP doc

Deirdre Lee: And so to the BP doc

14:11:17 <phila> Topic: The BP Doc

2. The BP Doc

14:11:43 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have had a lot of discssions about the BP doc this week including some major changes in the vocab section, metadaat seection etc.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have had a lot of discssions about the BP doc this week including some major changes in the vocab section, metadaat seection etc.

14:11:48 <phila> ... some improvements etc.

... some improvements etc.

14:11:54 <ericstephan> @annette_g yes

Eric Stephan: @annette_g yes

14:11:58 <phila> ... clear that we havea some terminological issues to discuss and agree

... clear that we havea some terminological issues to discuss and agree

14:12:22 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: And we need to go deeper on some discussions, that's clear

Bernadette Farias Loscio: And we need to go deeper on some discussions, that's clear

14:12:36 <ericstephan> sorry I thought the question was related to BP

Eric Stephan: sorry I thought the question was related to BP

14:12:43 <deirdrelee> BP doc http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

Deirdre Lee: BP doc http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:12:44 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have opened several issues, not alll that can be solved immediately

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have opened several issues, not alll that can be solved immediately

14:13:20 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking?

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, who is speaking?

14:13:26 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I hope everyone's happy now?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I hope everyone's happy now?

14:13:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:13:32 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

14:13:46 <MakxDekkers> zakim, iocaller is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, iocaller is me

14:13:46 <Zakim> sorry, MakxDekkers, I do not recognize a party named 'iocaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MakxDekkers, I do not recognize a party named 'iocaller'

14:13:54 <MakxDekkers> zakim, ipcaller is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller is me

14:13:54 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers; got it

14:13:59 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I;m happy that we can have substantive discussions now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm happy that we can have substantive discussions now

14:14:06 <phila> s/I;m/I'm/
14:14:21 <phila> Caroline_: I think you said it all so maybe we should talk about Phil's proposal

Caroline Burle: I think you said it all so maybe we should talk about Phil's proposal

14:14:31 <phila> Caroline_: We are very happy with the collaborative work

Caroline Burle: We are very happy with the collaborative work

14:14:39 <Caroline_> Zakim, who is making noise?

Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is making noise?

14:14:50 <Zakim> Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernadetteLoscio (15%), Caroline_ (64%), MakxDekkers (14%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernadetteLoscio (15%), Caroline_ (64%), MakxDekkers (14%)

14:15:14 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me

14:15:14 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted

14:15:40 <phila> Caroline_: We haven't had time to discuss Phil's proposal by e-mail yet. Not sure whether we can classify them all this meeting

Caroline Burle: We haven't had time to discuss Phil's proposal by e-mail yet. Not sure whether we can classify them all this meeting

14:15:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I have a question. How stable should the document be to go into FPWD?

Joao Almeida: I have a question. How stable should the document be to go into FPWD?

14:16:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: IMO we have a lot already and I know that we still have open issues and conflicting issues but we made a lot of progress

Bernadette Farias Loscio: IMO we have a lot already and I know that we still have open issues and conflicting issues but we made a lot of progress

14:16:20 <phila> ... maybe an external view will help us solve inernal conflicts

... maybe an external view will help us solve inernal conflicts

14:16:23 <ericstephan> +1 Bernadette

Eric Stephan: +1 Bernadette

14:16:26 <laufer> +1 to Bernadette

Carlos Laufer: +1 to Bernadette

14:16:32 <Caroline_> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

14:16:35 <AdrianoC> +1 Bernadette

Adriano Pereira: +1 Bernadette

14:16:35 <annette_g> +1 to Joao Paulo's question

Annette Greiner: +1 to Joao Paulo's question

14:16:59 <phila> deirdrelee: Which relates to what I wanted to ask... are things not resolved because we've run out of time or because we need external input?

Deirdre Lee: Which relates to what I wanted to ask... are things not resolved because we've run out of time or because we need external input?

14:17:09 <Caroline_> Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso

Caroline Burle: Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso

14:17:09 <Zakim> +yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it

14:17:23 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: For some issues (most) we need more time because we need to discuss. I don't think the editors can decide by themseleves

Bernadette Farias Loscio: For some issues (most) we need more time because we need to discuss. I don't think the editors can decide by themseleves

14:17:23 <gatemezi> +0 to Bernadette. Not sure external view can necessary help to have consensus in some points

Ghislain Atemezing: +0 to Bernadette. Not sure external view can necessary help to have consensus in some points

14:17:42 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think the terminological issues we have is important. We have differnet opinions

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the terminological issues we have is important. We have differnet opinions

14:17:52 <gatemezi> +1 to deirdrelee question

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to deirdrelee question

14:17:57 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We can agree but we'll need more time

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We can agree but we'll need more time

14:18:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We had a long discussion about the audience and then we agreed

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We had a long discussion about the audience and then we agreed

14:18:11 <newton> Zakim, Caroline_ has vagner

Newton Calegari: Zakim, Caroline_ has vagner

14:18:11 <Zakim> +vagner; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +vagner; got it

14:18:14 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:18:28 <phila> deirdrelee: So I guess we should discuss this a little more

Deirdre Lee: So I guess we should discuss this a little more

14:18:30 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

ack hadleybeeman

14:18:54 <phila> hadleybeeman: My question is... we don't have that much time as a WG to talk. An hour a week isn't a lot.

Hadley Beeman: My question is... we don't have that much time as a WG to talk. An hour a week isn't a lot.

14:19:07 <phila> ... is it possible to do some of this dicussion by e-mail?

... is it possible to do some of this dicussion by e-mail?

14:19:13 <phila> ... can we have a thread per issue?

... can we have a thread per issue?

14:19:15 <CarlosIglesias> I think it is not only possible but highly desirable

Carlos Iglesias: I think it is not only possible but highly desirable

14:19:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:19:25 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:  how can we have a WG conversation

Hadley Beeman: how can we have a WG conversation

14:19:26 <CarlosIglesias> no other way to address such amount of issues

Carlos Iglesias: no other way to address such amount of issues

14:19:48 <phila> s/BernadetteLoscio:/Hadley:/
14:19:51 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

14:20:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I agree Hadley, we need to discuss this by mail during ther week and Friday is just to solve things that aren't clear

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree Hadley, we need to discuss this by mail during ther week and Friday is just to solve things that aren't clear

14:20:24 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: What I think is important is to keep the rhythm

Bernadette Farias Loscio: What I think is important is to keep the rhythm

14:20:26 <Caroline_> +1 to hadleybeeman

Caroline Burle: +1 to hadleybeeman

14:21:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: It's good that finally we're having detailed discussions and if we continue then we can make progress

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's good that finally we're having detailed discussions and if we continue then we can make progress

14:21:15 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:21:40 <phila> deirdrelee: In terms of the terminology - we've discussed that a lot and we need to do so some more.

Deirdre Lee: In terms of the terminology - we've discussed that a lot and we need to do so some more.

14:21:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:21:54 <phila> deirdrelee: We can create a wiki page on that topic

Deirdre Lee: We can create a wiki page on that topic

14:21:56 <phila> q+

q+

14:22:19 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I'm going to create the wiki page to start the process of discussing...

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm going to create the wiki page to start the process of discussing...

14:22:35 <ericstephan> Bernadette sounds good about starting wiki page for terminology

Eric Stephan: Bernadette sounds good about starting wiki page for terminology

14:22:50 <phila> action: bernadette to create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology

ACTION: bernadette to create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology

14:22:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-01-30].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-136 - Create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-01-30].

14:23:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: TNhis might go to GH later

Bernadette Farias Loscio: This might go to GH later

14:23:09 <annette_g> *suggests one page per term

Annette Greiner: *suggests one page per term

14:23:20 <newton> s/TNhis/This/g
14:23:25 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Everyone can contribute. We might have multiple definitions to choose from

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Everyone can contribute. We might have multiple definitions to choose from

14:23:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I think we also need a good discussion on the whole "technological bias" issue.

Joao Almeida: I think we also need a good discussion on the whole "technological bias" issue.

14:23:40 <phila> ... we want to use existing definitions, not crearte new ones

... we want to use existing definitions, not create new ones

14:23:43 <phila> ack me

ack me

14:23:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 for using the existing definition as much as possible

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 for using the existing definition as much as possible

14:24:27 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phila's request

Hadley Beeman: +1 to phila's request

14:24:34 <phila> phila: to request that bernadette gives us a guided tour of the doc

Phil Archer: to request that bernadette gives us a guided tour of the doc

14:24:38 <gatemezi> s/crearte/create
14:24:44 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We're looking at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We're looking at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:24:53 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The intro is stable, no comments on this one

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The intro is stable, no comments on this one

14:25:07 <phila> ... new para to talk about the relationship with the LD-BP

... new para to talk about the relationship with the LD-BP

14:25:28 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We had a lot of discussion about the audeince, now we have the final version

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We had a lot of discussion about the audeince, now we have the final version

14:25:32 <phila> ... now looks OK

... now looks OK

14:25:40 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Scope was decided at TPAC

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Scope was decided at TPAC

14:25:56 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Context - the DW challenges and life cycle

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Context - the DW challenges and life cycle

14:26:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The challenges can probably be improved, they're probably too informal

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The challenges can probably be improved, they're probably too informal

14:26:25 <phila> ... but they make reference to the UCR

... but they make reference to the UCR

14:26:52 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Challenges lead to requirements

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Challenges lead to requirements

14:27:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The life cycle is based on an existing life cycle

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The life cycle is based on an existing life cycle

14:27:16 <phila> ... our initial idea was to organise the BP accoridng to the life cycle

... our initial idea was to organise the BP accoridng to the life cycle

14:27:40 <phila> ... but it turned out not to work out so we haven't stuck to that but we think the LC is interesting as it gives context

... but it turned out not to work out so we haven't stuck to that but we think the LC is interesting as it gives context

14:27:51 <phila> ... maybe later we can try to associate each BP to a phase of the LC

... maybe later we can try to associate each BP to a phase of the LC

14:27:59 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There is an open issue for this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is an open issue for this

14:28:03 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

14:28:27 <phila> ... I think Annette wasn't too happy with the inclusion of the LC and we need to discuss the definitions within it.

... I think Annette wasn't too happy with the inclusion of the LC and we need to discuss the definitions within it.

14:28:32 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

14:28:39 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Then we have the template

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Then we have the template

14:28:47 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> here there is also overlap with GLD BP which was not accounted for

Joao Almeida: here there is also overlap with GLD BP which was not accounted for

14:28:51 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The template was proposed at TPAC

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The template was proposed at TPAC

14:29:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> (the lifecycle in DWBP x process in GLD BP)

Joao Almeida: (the lifecycle in DWBP x process in GLD BP)

14:29:46 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I don't think we'll change the template much although Makx's commetn about why something is a BP can be added bu the template itself is prob stable

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't think we'll change the template much although Makx's commetn about why something is a BP can be added bu the template itself is prob stable

14:30:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The summary and the numbers are generated automatically

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The summary and the numbers are generated automatically

14:30:11 <phila> ... but this is not a stable version and numbers change

... but this is not a stable version and numbers change

14:30:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> one question: the template currently says "Possible Approach to Implementation". Should it be possible approaches (in the plural)?

Joao Almeida: one question: the template currently says "Possible Approach to Implementation". Should it be possible approaches (in the plural)?

14:30:25 <phila> ... so in mails we have some problems of identifiers

... so in mails we have some problems of identifiers

14:30:32 <phila> ... but this won't be a problem when we stablise

... but this won't be a problem when we stablise

14:30:43 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The BPs are divided according to the main challenges

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The BPs are divided according to the main challenges

14:30:46 <gatemezi> a/commetn/comment

Ghislain Atemezing: a/commetn/comment

14:31:01 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There are some challenges that are not here, e.g. data enrichment

Bernadette Farias Loscio: There are some challenges that are not here, e.g. data enrichment

14:31:17 <phila> ... the BPs are for data publishers

... the BPs are for data publishers

14:31:30 <phila> ... they'll use thre BPs to improve relationship with users

... they'll use thre BPs to improve relationship with users

14:31:44 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: First set is the metadata section. There are 6 BPs here

Bernadette Farias Loscio: First set is the metadata section. There are 6 BPs here

14:31:49 <phila> ... lots of discussion on this

... lots of discussion on this

14:32:04 <phila> ... there were an intersection with the data vocab section.

... there were an intersection with the data vocab section.

14:32:19 <phila> ... it's also not clear on terminilogy - metadata vs. vocabulary

... it's also not clear on terminilogy - metadata vs. vocabulary

14:32:39 <phila> ... and we have a new proposal for organisation but I think for now we should keep it like this

... and we have a new proposal for organisation but I think for now we should keep it like this

14:32:54 <phila> ... for now it should dtay like this but this is one of the sections that generated a lot of discussion

... for now it should dtay like this but this is one of the sections that generated a lot of discussion

14:33:18 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Another issue is related to the technological bias - we should be more neutral

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Another issue is related to the technological bias - we should be more neutral

14:33:41 <phila> ... so I think in the metadata and vocab section there's lots of talk about Linked Data and vocabs related to that

... so I think in the metadata and vocab section there's lots of talk about Linked Data and vocabs related to that

14:33:46 <phila> ... this needs more discussion

... this needs more discussion

14:33:49 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

14:34:00 <phila> ... but the metadata section is very important

... but the metadata section is very important

14:34:06 <phila> ... but more work is needed

... but more work is needed

14:34:15 <gatemezi> Maybe in the intro section, group BPs by sections, like metadata section contains 6 BPs which are BPX, BPY, etc..?

Ghislain Atemezing: Maybe in the intro section, group BPs by sections, like metadata section contains 6 BPs which are BPX, BPY, etc..?

14:34:15 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The data identification so far as one BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The data identification so far as one BP

14:34:24 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We also had some discussion about this BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We also had some discussion about this BP

14:34:50 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think in future we might have more BPs in this section but for now we should leave it as is for now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think in future we might have more BPs in this section but for now we should leave it as is for now

14:35:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The data formats section... we had some discussion but it feels more stable

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The data formats section... we had some discussion but it feels more stable

14:35:13 <phila> ... we have 3 BPs

... we have 3 BPs

14:35:19 <phila> ... we had discussion but not a lot

... we had discussion but not a lot

14:35:41 <phila> ... but terminology came up agaian (format cf. serialisation)

... but terminology came up agaian (format cf. serialisation)

14:36:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Lots of discssion about the data vocabs section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Lots of discssion about the data vocabs section

14:36:18 <phila> ... issue of tech neutrality comes up a lot

... issue of tech neutrality comes up a lot

14:36:39 <phila> ... we made some good improvements. But we still have some conflicts and I'm not sure that they're solved. More work is needed

... we made some good improvements. But we still have some conflicts and I'm not sure that they're solved. More work is needed

14:36:52 <phila> ... I think it's also related to terminology as well as tech

... I think it's also related to terminology as well as tech

14:37:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Data Licence section - not a lot of discussion about this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Data Licence section - not a lot of discussion about this

14:37:07 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I think the issues of terminology and technological bias are quite intertwined

Joao Almeida: I think the issues of terminology and technological bias are quite intertwined

14:37:25 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Almost no discussion on this so far

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Almost no discussion on this so far

14:37:40 <phila> ... more detailed review needed

... more detailed review needed

14:38:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: data Provenance, Quality and ?? still not much discussion

Bernadette Farias Loscio: data Provenance, Quality and Licences still not much discussion

14:38:19 <phila> s/??/Licences/
14:38:39 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We had on eissue around Sensitive data. We have an open issue on this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We had on eissue around Sensitive data. We have an open issue on this

14:39:00 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Data Access section, also a little discussion about #23 but maybe we should come back to this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Data Access section, also a little discussion about #23 but maybe we should come back to this

14:39:07 <phila> ... but for now we have 4 BPs

... but for now we have 4 BPs

14:39:34 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Data Versioning - 3 BPs. It feels stable as we haven't had many comments or make changes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Data Versioning - 3 BPs. It feels stable as we haven't had many comments or make changes

14:39:59 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: data Preservation - some comments on this. Carlos not too happy wth it but Christophe is defending

Bernadette Farias Loscio: data Preservation - some comments on this. Carlos not too happy wth it but Christophe is defending

14:40:09 <phila> ... maybe we need to come back to this

... maybe we need to come back to this

14:40:33 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: And finally feedback feels stable. Just one BP so far. Section needs improvement

Bernadette Farias Loscio: And finally feedback feels stable. Just one BP so far. Section needs improvement

14:40:43 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Not a lot of feedbacl so far

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Not a lot of feedbacl so far

14:40:54 <phila> ... most discussion about metadata and data vocabs

... most discussion about metadata and data vocabs

14:41:24 <phila> ... other general issues that were open but in the end we have... it's a lot of wowrk to review everything.

... other general issues that were open but in the end we have... it's a lot of wowrk to review everything.

14:41:45 <phila> ... when I go through the whole doc and now I feel that it will be really great to get feedback from outside

... when I go through the whole doc and now I feel that it will be really great to get feedback from outside

14:41:50 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Excellent walkthrough of the whole BP document by Bernadette, congratulations!

Joao Almeida: Excellent walkthrough of the whole BP document by Bernadette, congratulations!

14:42:13 <hadleybeeman> Thanks, bernadette!

Hadley Beeman: Thanks, bernadette!

14:42:16 <annette_g> q+ to ask a question

Annette Greiner: q+ to ask a question

14:42:45 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks Bernadette - there's so much to take in, the status etc.

Deirdre Lee: Thanks Bernadette - there's so much to take in, the status etc.

14:42:45 <AdrianoC> Thanks, Bernadette, great job in this complete description! (y)

Adriano Pereira: Thanks, Bernadette, great job in this complete description! (y)

14:42:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> By the way

Joao Almeida: By the way

14:42:50 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Conclusions is curently blank

Joao Almeida: Conclusions is currently blank

14:42:52 <phila> ... gald that going through it gives oyu more confidence

... gald that going through it gives oyu more confidence

14:42:55 <phila> ack annette_g

ack annette_g

14:42:55 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask a question

Zakim IRC Bot: annette_g, you wanted to ask a question

14:42:56 <ericstephan> @yaso - good news about your contact with Christine in the privacy group

Eric Stephan: @yaso - good news about your contact with Christine in the privacy group

14:42:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/curently/currently
14:43:47 <gatemezi> Very nice presentation, thanks BernadetteLoscio

Ghislain Atemezing: Very nice presentation, thanks BernadetteLoscio

14:44:00 <Caroline_> +1 to gatemezi

Caroline Burle: +1 to gatemezi

14:45:51 <deirdrelee> guys I'm wary of time.....time to vote?

Deirdre Lee: guys I'm wary of time.....time to vote?

14:48:04 <ericstephan> vote vote vote vote :-)

Eric Stephan: vote vote vote vote :-)

14:48:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+ to ask question

Joao Almeida: q+ to ask question

14:48:58 <phila> phila: Tries to clarify the situation

Phil Archer: Tries to clarify the situation

14:49:02 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:49:05 <phila> ack JoaoPauloAlmeida

ack JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:49:05 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to ask question

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to ask question

14:49:12 <deirdrelee> zakim, close speaker queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, close speaker queue

14:49:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close speaker queue', deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'close speaker queue', deirdrelee

14:49:19 <hadleybeeman> zakim, close the queue

Hadley Beeman: zakim, close the queue

14:49:19 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

14:49:39 <phila> JoaoPauloAlmeida: In some cases, it's not clear that we're looking for feedback on everything

Joao Almeida: In some cases, it's not clear that we're looking for feedback on everything

14:49:54 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: If I understand you want something more explicit

Bernadette Farias Loscio: If I understand you want something more explicit

14:50:01 <ericstephan> It could also go out in the announcement as well

Eric Stephan: It could also go out in the announcement as well

14:50:39 <phila> This is the first working draft of this document to be formally published. In this first version, more than 30 best practices are proposed and more than 25 requirements have been addressed. However, there are still some ongoing discussions in the group about important subjects, like terminology and scope. The group is still working towards consensus on the meaning and application of some important terms including: vocabulary, metadata, data model, data format, sche

This is the first working draft of this document to be formally published. In this first version, more than 30 best practices are proposed and more than 25 requirements have been addressed. However, there are still some ongoing discussions in the group about important subjects, like terminology and scope. The group is still working towards consensus on the meaning and application of some important terms including: vocabulary, metadata, data model, data format, sche

14:50:39 <phila> ma and dataset. Other important issues relate to the definition of best practices for vocabularies. For example it is not clear if providing advice to data publishers to create and reuse vocabularies is in the scope of the DWBP. Likewise, there is not yet consensus on whether data preservation is in scope. The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments to ensure that its future work is relevant, useful and comprehensive.

ma and dataset. Other important issues relate to the definition of best practices for vocabularies. For example it is not clear if providing advice to data publishers to create and reuse vocabularies is in the scope of the DWBP. Likewise, there is not yet consensus on whether data preservation is in scope. The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments to ensure that its future work is relevant, useful and comprehensive.

14:51:03 <phila> phila: ^ is a propsoed block of text to go in the intro

Phil Archer: ^ is a propsoed block of text to go in the intro

14:51:09 <antoine> this reads good

Antoine Isaac: this reads good

14:51:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> nice

Joao Almeida: nice

14:51:18 <ericstephan> looks good

Eric Stephan: looks good

14:51:23 <phila> and yes, ericstephan we can say things in the anno, blog posts etc.

and yes, ericstephan we can say things in the anno, blog posts etc.

14:51:37 <annette_g> still doesn't say that everything is under reiew

Annette Greiner: still doesn't say that everything is under review

14:51:47 <annette_g> s/reiew/review
14:52:01 <yaso> nice

Yaso Córdova: nice

14:52:06 <antoine> annette_g: "The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments"

Annette Greiner: "The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments" [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

14:52:19 <CarlosIglesias> to be included as an issue note?

Carlos Iglesias: to be included as an issue note?

14:52:20 <hadleybeeman> I think, by definition, everything is under review until it's a formal recommendation, no?

Hadley Beeman: I think, by definition, everything is under review until it's a formal recommendation, no?

14:52:35 <Caroline_> annette_g: it says in the end that we are looking to receive comments

Annette Greiner: it says in the end that we are looking to receive comments [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

14:52:43 <Caroline_> +1 to put this text in the introduction

Caroline Burle: +1 to put this text in the introduction

14:53:31 <Zakim> -AdrianoC

Zakim IRC Bot: -AdrianoC

14:53:49 <phila> Discussion around inclusion of the text, where it goes etc

Discussion around inclusion of the text, where it goes etc

14:54:02 <CarlosIglesias> still think data preservation sections needs an specific issue note

Carlos Iglesias: still think data preservation sections needs an specific issue note

14:54:04 <phila> deirdrelee: Concerned about timing

Deirdre Lee: Concerned about timing

14:54:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> a caipirinha

Joao Almeida: a caipirinha

14:54:09 <gatemezi> +1 to put the text ..

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to put the text ..

14:54:17 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Carlos! We're gonna include

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Carlos! We're gonna include

14:54:19 <phila> PROPOSED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

PROPOSED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

14:54:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:54:24 <CarlosIglesias> relevant enough to deserve that

Carlos Iglesias: relevant enough to deserve that

14:54:27 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:54:27 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:54:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:54:27 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:54:28 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

14:54:29 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:54:29 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:54:30 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:54:30 <phila> +1

+1

14:54:31 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:54:34 <vagner> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

14:54:36 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:54:39 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:54:42 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:54:43 <phila> RESOLVED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

RESOLVED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

14:54:45 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

14:54:49 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

14:54:50 <phila> deirdrelee: So we have two votes

Deirdre Lee: So we have two votes

14:54:50 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:54:58 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

14:55:00 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:55:25 <antoine> btw I note that our organization is not on it :-)

Antoine Isaac: btw I note that our organization is not on it :-)

14:55:25 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:55:39 <phila> PROPOSED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

PROPOSED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:55:44 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:55:45 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:55:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:55:50 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:55:53 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:55:53 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:55:54 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:55:54 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:55:55 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

14:55:58 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

14:55:59 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:55:59 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:56:00 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:56:02 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:56:03 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:56:05 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

14:56:05 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:56:08 <phila> +1 if the DWBP doc is published simultaneously

+1 if the DWBP doc is published simultaneously

14:56:16 <vagner> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

14:56:24 <phila> RESOLVED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

RESOLVED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:56:38 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:56:55 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP doc currenetly at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published a a FPWD

PROPOSED: That the BP doc currently at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published as a FPWD

14:57:01 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:57:01 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:57:01 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:57:01 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:57:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:57:03 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:57:06 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:57:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:57:07 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:57:09 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:57:09 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:57:10 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:57:11 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:57:12 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

14:57:13 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/currenetly/currently
14:57:13 <MakxDekkers> 0

Makx Dekkers: 0

14:57:31 <vagner> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

14:57:38 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

14:57:38 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

14:57:40 <phila> ack MakxDekkers

ack MakxDekkers

14:57:45 <MakxDekkers> zakim, unmute me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, unmute me

14:57:45 <Zakim> MakxDekkers was not muted, MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers was not muted, MakxDekkers

14:57:45 <CarlosIglesias> would like to raise your attention to the fact that similar terminology problems may apply also to the  Use Case Document

Carlos Iglesias: would like to raise your attention to the fact that similar terminology problems may apply also to the Use Case Document

14:57:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/published a a/published as a
14:58:06 <CarlosIglesias> so need to coordinate once we decide on final terminology

Carlos Iglesias: so need to coordinate once we decide on final terminology

14:58:21 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

14:58:38 <phila> MakxDekkers: From my POV there is too much that we're still discussing. I don't want to stop it, but if this were for a client I wouldn't want to pass this on

Makx Dekkers: From my POV there is too much that we're still discussing. I don't want to stop it, but if this were for a client I wouldn't want to pass this on

14:58:46 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

ack MTCarrasco

14:58:54 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Carlos... we're gonna do this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Carlos... we're gonna do this

14:59:19 <hadleybeeman> Makx, that makes sense to me. But I feel okay because this is a FPWD, not a full rec yet.

Hadley Beeman: Makx, that makes sense to me. But I feel okay because this is a FPWD, not a full rec yet.

14:59:24 <phila> MTCarrasco: I'm not extremely happy, but at the otehr hand we have to publish something to get feedback so it's not that we're voting on the final recommendations

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'm not extremely happy, but at the otehr hand we have to publish something to get feedback so it's not that we're voting on the final recommendations

14:59:29 <hadleybeeman> +1 to MTCarrasco! Well said :)

Hadley Beeman: +1 to MTCarrasco! Well said :)

14:59:32 <phila> ... so let's go ahead and take the punches

... so let's go ahead and take the punches

14:59:33 <ericstephan> +1 MTCarrasco

Eric Stephan: +1 MTCarrasco

14:59:34 <antoine> I think that the idea is not to go to clients yet.

Antoine Isaac: I think that the idea is not to go to clients yet.

14:59:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 MTCarrasco

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 MTCarrasco

14:59:50 <hadleybeeman> I think that's a resolved

Hadley Beeman: I think that's a resolved

15:00:22 <ericstephan> 3 proposal approvals in 5 minutes is this a W3C record?

Eric Stephan: 3 proposal approvals in 5 minutes is this a W3C record?

15:00:23 <phila> RESOLVED: That the BP doc currently at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published as a FPWD

RESOLVED: That the BP doc currently at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published as a FPWD

15:00:23 <annette_g> +1 for nervousness

Annette Greiner: +1 for nervousness

15:00:35 <BernadetteLoscio> :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :)

15:00:38 <phila> phila: Is nervous...

Phil Archer: Is nervous...

15:00:39 <hadleybeeman> We still have work left to do, I think we all agree on that.

Hadley Beeman: We still have work left to do, I think we all agree on that.

15:00:40 <antoine> +1 but in the end it will be alright :-)

Antoine Isaac: +1 but in the end it will be alright :-)

15:00:48 <hadleybeeman> But yes — feedback should help us!

Hadley Beeman: But yes — feedback should help us!

15:00:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> phila's disclaimer makes me less nervous

Joao Almeida: phila's disclaimer makes me less nervous

15:00:53 <Caroline_> +1 to hadleybeeman

Caroline Burle: +1 to hadleybeeman

15:01:02 <hadleybeeman> Yeay!! 2 big resolutions today!

Hadley Beeman: Yeay!! 2 big resolutions today!

15:01:06 <laufer> comgrats to the editors!

Carlos Laufer: comgrats to the editors!

15:01:12 <antoine> congrats!

Antoine Isaac: congrats!

15:01:13 <phila> deirdrelee: Congrats to editors, esp Bernadette

Deirdre Lee: Congrats to editors, esp Bernadette

15:01:14 <yaso> yes!!

Yaso Córdova: yes!!

15:01:19 <laufer> congrats

Carlos Laufer: congrats

15:01:20 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> good stuff, congrats

Joao Almeida: good stuff, congrats

15:01:20 <AdrianoC> Congrats! (y)

Adriano Pereira: Congrats! (y)

15:01:21 <gatemezi> congrats all editors... deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio et al.

Ghislain Atemezing: congrats all editors... deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio et al.

15:01:29 <phila> deirdrelee: So next steps are how to address feedback etc.

Deirdre Lee: So next steps are how to address feedback etc.

15:01:30 <annette_g> go, us! let's keep up the work!

Annette Greiner: go, us! let's keep up the work!

15:01:33 <yaso> tks editors - agree to pay more beer to BernadetteLoscio :-)

Yaso Córdova: tks editors - agree to pay more beer to BernadetteLoscio :-)

15:01:35 <ericstephan> Deirdre thank you for carrying the UCR forward!

Eric Stephan: Deirdre thank you for carrying the UCR forward!

15:01:42 <vagner> congrasts editors

Vagner Diniz: congrasts editors

15:01:43 <phila> ... +1 to ericstephan

... +1 to ericstephan

15:01:44 <newton> thanks to Bernadette to lead us so well :-)

Newton Calegari: thanks to Bernadette to lead us so well :-)

15:01:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks for all the work, Congrats!!

Riccardo Albertoni: thanks for all the work, Congrats!!

15:01:51 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

15:01:55 <MTCarrasco> bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye

15:02:03 <gatemezi> bye

Ghislain Atemezing: bye

15:02:07 <Caroline_> +1 to newton BernadetteLoscio was incredible!

Caroline Burle: +1 to newton BernadetteLoscio was incredible!

15:02:10 <laufer> nice weekend!  by all!  work is only beginning...

Carlos Laufer: nice weekend! by all! work is only beginning...

15:02:19 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers

15:02:24 <annette_g> thanks, Phil!

Annette Greiner: thanks, Phil!

15:02:27 <ericstephan> yahoo!

Eric Stephan: yahoo!

15:02:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye

Joao Almeida: bye

15:02:31 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco

15:02:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye

Riccardo Albertoni: bye

15:02:33 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz

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15:02:33 <CarlosIglesias> bye!

Carlos Iglesias: bye!

15:02:37 <yaso> bye!!!

Yaso Córdova: bye!!!

15:02:37 <Zakim> -annette_g

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15:02:38 <AdrianoC> Bye!

Adriano Pereira: Bye!

15:02:39 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

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15:02:40 <Zakim> -phila

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15:02:40 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

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15:02:40 <Zakim> -riccardoAlbertoni

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15:02:42 <Zakim> -Caroline_

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15:02:42 <Zakim> -ericstephan

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15:02:43 <Zakim> -antoine

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15:02:45 <Zakim> -laufer

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15:02:47 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

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15:02:50 <Zakim> -[GVoice]

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15:02:52 <annette_g> bye!

Annette Greiner: bye!

15:03:03 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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15:03:04 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

15:03:04 <Zakim> Attendees were deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, BernadetteLoscio,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, BernadetteLoscio,

15:03:04 <Zakim> ... newton, JoaoPauloAlmeida, CarlosIglesias, MakxDekkers, yaso, vagner, [GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... newton, JoaoPauloAlmeida, CarlosIglesias, MakxDekkers, yaso, vagner, [GVoice]

15:03:57 <hadleybeeman> Yeay!! :) Glad you're coming, deirdrelee

Hadley Beeman: Yeay!! :) Glad you're coming, deirdrelee

15:04:28 <deirdrelee> looking forward to it!

Deirdre Lee: looking forward to it!

15:04:35 <deirdrelee> thanks for scribing phil

Deirdre Lee: thanks for scribing phil



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