IRC log of dwbp on 2015-01-23

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Zakim, this will be DWBP

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ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 23 January 2015

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rrsagent, make logs public

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zakim, who is here?

13:58:00 [Zakim]

DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has not yet started, hadleybeeman

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On IRC I see AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

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DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

13:58:22 [deirdrelee]

zakim, [ipcaller] is me

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+deirdrelee; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, IPcaller is me

14:00:03 [Zakim]

+antoine; got it

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+HadleyBeeman

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+annette_g

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+ericstephan

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+??P21

14:01:47 [MTCarrasco]

zakim, ??P21 is me

14:01:47 [Zakim]

+MTCarrasco; got it

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+ +1.609.557.aaaa

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14:02:13 [deirdrelee]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:13 [Zakim]

On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa

14:02:16 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro,

14:02:16 [Zakim]

... trackbot

14:02:29 [Eric_Kauz]

zakim, aaaa is me

14:02:29 [Zakim]

+Eric_Kauz; got it

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+[IPcaller]

14:02:39 [phila]

zakim, [ is me

14:02:39 [Zakim]

+phila; got it

14:02:40 [Caroline_]

newton and I will call in 1min

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+??P29

14:03:38 [deirdrelee]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, ??P29

14:03:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro,

14:03:40 [Zakim]

... sandro, trackbot

14:03:47 [AdrianoC]

zakim, ??P29 is AdrianoC

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+AdrianoC; got it

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scribe: phila

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scribeNick: phila

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chair: Deirdre

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150123

14:04:39 [phila]

zakim, who is noisy?

14:04:45 [Zakim]

+riccardoAlbertoni

14:04:50 [Zakim]

phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (32%), MTCarrasco (21%)

14:05:02 [riccardoAlbertoni]

hi all

14:05:03 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:05:16 [laufer]

Zakim, IPcaller is me

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+laufer; got it

14:05:27 [laufer]

Zakim, mute me

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laufer should now be muted

14:05:37 [deirdrelee]

zakim, who is here?

14:05:37 [Zakim]

On the phone I see deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer (muted)

14:05:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see laufer, newton, riccardoAlbertoni, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, ericstephan, annette_g, antoine, AdrianoC, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee,

14:05:40 [Zakim]

... BernadetteLoscio, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

14:06:01 [laufer]

\me hi deirdre

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+[IPcaller]

14:06:07 [BernadetteLoscio]

zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

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+BernadetteLoscio; got it

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+yaso

14:06:30 [Caroline_]

Zakim, yaso is Caroline_

14:06:30 [Zakim]

+Caroline_; got it

14:06:43 [newton]

Zakim, Caroline_ has newton

14:06:43 [Zakim]

+newton; got it

14:07:00 [phila]

deirdrelee: Opens the meeteing

14:07:12 [phila]

... we have a couple of decisions to make today

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... whether we publish FPWD of the BP and the next WD of the UCR

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... acknowledge the huge amount of work being done this week

14:07:40 [hadleybeeman]

+1 to deirdrelee. It's been a busy couple of weeks. Well done us! :)

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14:07:46 [phila]

... as a result we have a lot of content in the doc

14:08:09 [phila]

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

14:08:13 [hadleybeeman]

+1

14:08:21 [Caroline_]

+1

14:08:22 [BernadetteLoscio]

1

14:08:24 [deirdrelee]

+1

14:08:24 [ericstephan]

+1

14:08:25 [BernadetteLoscio]

+1

14:08:25 [laufer]

+1

14:08:27 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1

14:08:29 [annette_g]

+1

14:08:31 [newton]

+1

14:08:31 [MTCarrasco]

+1

14:08:34 [phila]

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-16

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14:08:41 [gatemezi]

+0 was absent

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+1

14:08:53 [phila]

Topic: BP Document

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s/BP Document/UCR Document/

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14:09:32 [phila]

deirdrelee: Doc looks pretty complete. Now very few open issues. Most have been resolved

14:09:50 [phila]

... some we may need to reopen some again, should some reqs be refined

14:10:10 [phila]

... strong set of reqs. Each req leads to multiple UCs and vice versa

14:10:22 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:10:29 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:10:29 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:10:39 [phila]

-> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html the UCR doc

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+[IPcaller]

14:10:54 [deirdrelee]

q?

14:10:57 [phila]

deirdrelee: Any comments on the UCR doc

14:11:00 [CarlosIglesias]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:11:00 [Zakim]

+CarlosIglesias; got it

14:11:06 [annette_g]

it's *first* PWD, no?

14:11:11 [phila]

deirdrelee: And so to the BP doc

14:11:17 [phila]

Topic: The BP Doc

14:11:43 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We have had a lot of discssions about the BP doc this week including some major changes in the vocab section, metadaat seection etc.

14:11:48 [phila]

... some improvements etc.

14:11:54 [ericstephan]

@annette_g yes

14:11:58 [phila]

... clear that we havea some terminological issues to discuss and agree

14:12:22 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: And we need to go deeper on some discussions, that's clear

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14:12:36 [ericstephan]

sorry I thought the question was related to BP

14:12:43 [deirdrelee]

BP doc http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:12:44 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We have opened several issues, not alll that can be solved immediately

14:13:20 [gatemezi]

Zakim, who is speaking?

14:13:26 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I hope everyone's happy now?

14:13:30 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:13:32 [Zakim]

gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

14:13:46 [MakxDekkers]

zakim, iocaller is me

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sorry, MakxDekkers, I do not recognize a party named 'iocaller'

14:13:54 [MakxDekkers]

zakim, ipcaller is me

14:13:54 [Zakim]

+MakxDekkers; got it

14:13:59 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I;m happy that we can have substantive discussions now

14:14:06 [phila]

s/I;m/I'm/

14:14:21 [phila]

Caroline_: I think you said it all so maybe we should talk about Phil's proposal

14:14:31 [phila]

Caroline_: We are very happy with the collaborative work

14:14:39 [Caroline_]

Zakim, who is making noise?

14:14:50 [Zakim]

Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernadetteLoscio (15%), Caroline_ (64%), MakxDekkers (14%)

14:15:14 [MakxDekkers]

zakim, mute me

14:15:14 [Zakim]

MakxDekkers should now be muted

14:15:40 [phila]

Caroline_: We haven't had time to discuss Phil's proposal by e-mail yet. Not sure whether we can classify them all this meeting

14:15:55 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

I have a question. How stable should the document be to go into FPWD?

14:16:09 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: IMO we have a lot already and I know that we still have open issues and conflicting issues but we made a lot of progress

14:16:20 [phila]

... maybe an external view will help us solve inernal conflicts

14:16:23 [ericstephan]

+1 Bernadette

14:16:26 [laufer]

+1 to Bernadette

14:16:32 [Caroline_]

+1 to BernadetteLoscio

14:16:35 [AdrianoC]

+1 Bernadette

14:16:35 [annette_g]

+1 to Joao Paulo's question

14:16:59 [phila]

deirdrelee: Which relates to what I wanted to ask... are things not resolved because we've run out of time or because we need external input?

14:17:09 [Caroline_]

Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso

14:17:09 [Zakim]

+yaso; got it

14:17:23 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: For some issues (most) we need more time because we need to discuss. I don't think the editors can decide by themseleves

14:17:23 [gatemezi]

+0 to Bernadette. Not sure external view can necessary help to have consensus in some points

14:17:42 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I think the terminological issues we have is important. We have differnet opinions

14:17:52 [gatemezi]

+1 to deirdrelee question

14:17:57 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We can agree but we'll need more time

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BernadetteLoscio: We had a long discussion about the audience and then we agreed

14:18:11 [newton]

Zakim, Caroline_ has vagner

14:18:11 [Zakim]

+vagner; got it

14:18:14 [hadleybeeman]

q+

14:18:28 [phila]

deirdrelee: So I guess we should discuss this a little more

14:18:30 [phila]

ack hadleybeeman

14:18:54 [phila]

hadleybeeman: My question is... we don't have that much time as a WG to talk. An hour a week isn't a lot.

14:19:07 [phila]

... is it possible to do some of this dicussion by e-mail?

14:19:13 [phila]

... can we have a thread per issue?

14:19:15 [CarlosIglesias]

I think it is not only possible but highly desirable

14:19:16 [BernadetteLoscio]

q+

14:19:25 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: how can we have a WG conversation

14:19:26 [CarlosIglesias]

no other way to address such amount of issues

14:19:48 [phila]

s/BernadetteLoscio:/Hadley:/

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ack BernadetteLoscio

14:20:13 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I agree Hadley, we need to discuss this by mail during ther week and Friday is just to solve things that aren't clear

14:20:24 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: What I think is important is to keep the rhythm

14:20:26 [Caroline_]

+1 to hadleybeeman

14:21:13 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: It's good that finally we're having detailed discussions and if we continue then we can make progress

14:21:15 [deirdrelee]

q?

14:21:40 [phila]

deirdrelee: In terms of the terminology - we've discussed that a lot and we need to do so some more.

14:21:42 [BernadetteLoscio]

q+

14:21:54 [phila]

deirdrelee: We can create a wiki page on that topic

14:21:56 [phila]

q+

14:22:19 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I'm going to create the wiki page to start the process of discussing...

14:22:35 [ericstephan]

Bernadette sounds good about starting wiki page for terminology

14:22:50 [phila]

action: bernadette to create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology

14:22:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-136 - Create a wiki page to begin a glossary of terminology [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-01-30].

14:23:03 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: TNhis might go to GH later

14:23:09 [annette_g]

*suggests one page per term

14:23:20 [newton]

s/TNhis/This/g

14:23:25 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Everyone can contribute. We might have multiple definitions to choose from

14:23:35 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

I think we also need a good discussion on the whole "technological bias" issue.

14:23:40 [phila]

... we want to use existing definitions, not crearte new ones

14:23:43 [phila]

ack me

14:23:59 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1 for using the existing definition as much as possible

14:24:27 [hadleybeeman]

+1 to phila's request

14:24:34 [phila]

phila: to request that bernadette gives us a guided tour of the doc

14:24:38 [gatemezi]

s/crearte/create

14:24:44 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We're looking at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:24:53 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The intro is stable, no comments on this one

14:25:07 [phila]

... new para to talk about the relationship with the LD-BP

14:25:28 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We had a lot of discussion about the audeince, now we have the final version

14:25:32 [phila]

... now looks OK

14:25:40 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Scope was decided at TPAC

14:25:56 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Context - the DW challenges and life cycle

14:26:17 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The challenges can probably be improved, they're probably too informal

14:26:25 [phila]

... but they make reference to the UCR

14:26:52 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Challenges lead to requirements

14:27:04 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The life cycle is based on an existing life cycle

14:27:16 [phila]

... our initial idea was to organise the BP accoridng to the life cycle

14:27:40 [phila]

... but it turned out not to work out so we haven't stuck to that but we think the LC is interesting as it gives context

14:27:51 [phila]

... maybe later we can try to associate each BP to a phase of the LC

14:27:59 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: There is an open issue for this

14:28:03 [yaso]

q?

14:28:27 [phila]

... I think Annette wasn't too happy with the inclusion of the LC and we need to discuss the definitions within it.

14:28:32 [phila]

ack BernadetteLoscio

14:28:39 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Then we have the template

14:28:47 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

here there is also overlap with GLD BP which was not accounted for

14:28:51 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The template was proposed at TPAC

14:29:18 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

(the lifecycle in DWBP x process in GLD BP)

14:29:46 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I don't think we'll change the template much although Makx's commetn about why something is a BP can be added bu the template itself is prob stable

14:30:02 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The summary and the numbers are generated automatically

14:30:11 [phila]

... but this is not a stable version and numbers change

14:30:23 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

one question: the template currently says "Possible Approach to Implementation". Should it be possible approaches (in the plural)?

14:30:25 [phila]

... so in mails we have some problems of identifiers

14:30:32 [phila]

... but this won't be a problem when we stablise

14:30:43 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The BPs are divided according to the main challenges

14:30:46 [gatemezi]

a/commetn/comment

14:31:01 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: There are some challenges that are not here, e.g. data enrichment

14:31:17 [phila]

... the BPs are for data publishers

14:31:30 [phila]

... they'll use thre BPs to improve relationship with users

14:31:44 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: First set is the metadata section. There are 6 BPs here

14:31:49 [phila]

... lots of discussion on this

14:32:04 [phila]

... there were an intersection with the data vocab section.

14:32:19 [phila]

... it's also not clear on terminilogy - metadata vs. vocabulary

14:32:39 [phila]

... and we have a new proposal for organisation but I think for now we should keep it like this

14:32:54 [phila]

... for now it should dtay like this but this is one of the sections that generated a lot of discussion

14:33:18 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Another issue is related to the technological bias - we should be more neutral

14:33:41 [phila]

... so I think in the metadata and vocab section there's lots of talk about Linked Data and vocabs related to that

14:33:46 [phila]

... this needs more discussion

14:33:49 [yaso]

q?

14:34:00 [phila]

... but the metadata section is very important

14:34:06 [phila]

... but more work is needed

14:34:15 [gatemezi]

Maybe in the intro section, group BPs by sections, like metadata section contains 6 BPs which are BPX, BPY, etc..?

14:34:15 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The data identification so far as one BP

14:34:24 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We also had some discussion about this BP

14:34:50 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: I think in future we might have more BPs in this section but for now we should leave it as is for now

14:35:09 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: The data formats section... we had some discussion but it feels more stable

14:35:13 [phila]

... we have 3 BPs

14:35:19 [phila]

... we had discussion but not a lot

14:35:41 [phila]

... but terminology came up agaian (format cf. serialisation)

14:36:09 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Lots of discssion about the data vocabs section

14:36:18 [phila]

... issue of tech neutrality comes up a lot

14:36:39 [phila]

... we made some good improvements. But we still have some conflicts and I'm not sure that they're solved. More work is needed

14:36:52 [phila]

... I think it's also related to terminology as well as tech

14:37:04 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Data Licence section - not a lot of discussion about this

14:37:07 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

I think the issues of terminology and technological bias are quite intertwined

14:37:25 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Almost no discussion on this so far

14:37:40 [phila]

... more detailed review needed

14:38:04 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: data Provenance, Quality and ?? still not much discussion

14:38:19 [phila]

s/??/Licences/

14:38:39 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: We had on eissue around Sensitive data. We have an open issue on this

14:39:00 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Data Access section, also a little discussion about #23 but maybe we should come back to this

14:39:07 [phila]

... but for now we have 4 BPs

14:39:34 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Data Versioning - 3 BPs. It feels stable as we haven't had many comments or make changes

14:39:59 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: data Preservation - some comments on this. Carlos not too happy wth it but Christophe is defending

14:40:09 [phila]

... maybe we need to come back to this

14:40:33 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: And finally feedback feels stable. Just one BP so far. Section needs improvement

14:40:43 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: Not a lot of feedbacl so far

14:40:54 [phila]

... most discussion about metadata and data vocabs

14:41:24 [phila]

... other general issues that were open but in the end we have... it's a lot of wowrk to review everything.

14:41:45 [phila]

... when I go through the whole doc and now I feel that it will be really great to get feedback from outside

14:41:50 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Excellent walkthrough of the whole BP document by Bernadette, congratulations!

14:42:13 [hadleybeeman]

Thanks, bernadette!

14:42:16 [annette_g]

q+ to ask a question

14:42:45 [phila]

deirdrelee: Thanks Bernadette - there's so much to take in, the status etc.

14:42:45 [AdrianoC]

Thanks, Bernadette, great job in this complete description! (y)

14:42:46 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

By the way

14:42:50 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Conclusions is curently blank

14:42:52 [phila]

... gald that going through it gives oyu more confidence

14:42:55 [phila]

ack annette_g

14:42:55 [Zakim]

annette_g, you wanted to ask a question

14:42:56 [ericstephan]

@yaso - good news about your contact with Christine in the privacy group

14:42:58 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

s/curently/currently

14:43:47 [gatemezi]

Very nice presentation, thanks BernadetteLoscio

14:44:00 [Caroline_]

+1 to gatemezi

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14:45:51 [deirdrelee]

guys I'm wary of time.....time to vote?

14:48:04 [ericstephan]

vote vote vote vote :-)

14:48:41 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

q+ to ask question

14:48:58 [phila]

phila: Tries to clarify the situation

14:49:02 [hadleybeeman]

q?

14:49:05 [phila]

ack JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:49:05 [Zakim]

JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to ask question

14:49:12 [deirdrelee]

zakim, close speaker queue

14:49:12 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close speaker queue', deirdrelee

14:49:19 [hadleybeeman]

zakim, close the queue

14:49:19 [Zakim]

ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

14:49:39 [phila]

JoaoPauloAlmeida: In some cases, it's not clear that we're looking for feedback on everything

14:49:54 [phila]

BernadetteLoscio: If I understand you want something more explicit

14:50:01 [ericstephan]

It could also go out in the announcement as well

14:50:39 [phila]

This is the first working draft of this document to be formally published. In this first version, more than 30 best practices are proposed and more than 25 requirements have been addressed. However, there are still some ongoing discussions in the group about important subjects, like terminology and scope. The group is still working towards consensus on the meaning and application of some important terms including: vocabulary, metadata, data model, data format, sche

14:50:39 [phila]

ma and dataset. Other important issues relate to the definition of best practices for vocabularies. For example it is not clear if providing advice to data publishers to create and reuse vocabularies is in the scope of the DWBP. Likewise, there is not yet consensus on whether data preservation is in scope. The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments to ensure that its future work is relevant, useful and comprehensive.

14:51:03 [phila]

phila: ^ is a propsoed block of text to go in the intro

14:51:09 [antoine]

this reads good

14:51:14 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

nice

14:51:18 [ericstephan]

looks good

14:51:23 [phila]

and yes, ericstephan we can say things in the anno, blog posts etc.

14:51:37 [annette_g]

still doesn't say that everything is under reiew

14:51:47 [annette_g]

s/reiew/review

14:52:01 [yaso]

nice

14:52:06 [antoine]

annette_g: "The Working Group is therefore particularly keen to receive comments"

14:52:19 [CarlosIglesias]

to be included as an issue note?

14:52:20 [hadleybeeman]

I think, by definition, everything is under review until it's a formal recommendation, no?

14:52:35 [Caroline_]

annette_g: it says in the end that we are looking to receive comments

14:52:43 [Caroline_]

+1 to put this text in the introduction

14:53:31 [Zakim]

-AdrianoC

14:53:49 [phila]

Discussion around inclusion of the text, where it goes etc

14:54:02 [CarlosIglesias]

still think data preservation sections needs an specific issue note

14:54:04 [phila]

deirdrelee: Concerned about timing

14:54:09 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

a caipirinha

14:54:09 [gatemezi]

+1 to put the text ..

14:54:17 [BernadetteLoscio]

yes Carlos! We're gonna include

14:54:19 [phila]

PROPOSED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

14:54:23 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

14:54:24 [CarlosIglesias]

relevant enough to deserve that

14:54:27 [newton]

+1

14:54:27 [deirdrelee]

+1

14:54:27 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1

14:54:27 [ericstephan]

+1

14:54:28 [yaso]

+1

14:54:29 [antoine]

+1

14:54:29 [BernadetteLoscio]

+1

14:54:30 [laufer]

+1

14:54:30 [phila]

+1

14:54:31 [Caroline_]

+1

14:54:34 [vagner]

+1

14:54:36 [AdrianoC]

+1

14:54:39 [hadleybeeman]

+1

14:54:42 [gatemezi]

+1

14:54:43 [phila]

RESOLVED: To include this para or something like it, in the intro

14:54:45 [Eric_Kauz]

+1

14:54:49 [Zakim]

+[GVoice]

14:54:50 [phila]

deirdrelee: So we have two votes

14:54:50 [annette_g]

+1

14:54:58 [MTCarrasco]

+1

14:55:00 [MakxDekkers]

+1

14:55:25 [antoine]

btw I note that our organization is not on it :-)

14:55:25 [deirdrelee]

http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:55:39 [phila]

PROPOSED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:55:44 [ericstephan]

+1

14:55:45 [hadleybeeman]

+1

14:55:46 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1

14:55:50 [antoine]

+1

14:55:53 [laufer]

+1

14:55:53 [annette_g]

+1

14:55:54 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

14:55:54 [gatemezi]

+1

14:55:55 [yaso]

+1

14:55:58 [Eric_Kauz]

+1

14:55:59 [deirdrelee]

+1

14:55:59 [AdrianoC]

+1

14:56:00 [BernadetteLoscio]

+1

14:56:02 [Caroline_]

+1

14:56:03 [newton]

+1

14:56:05 [MTCarrasco]

+1

14:56:05 [MakxDekkers]

+1

14:56:08 [phila]

+1 if the DWBP doc is published simultaneously

14:56:16 [vagner]

+1

14:56:24 [phila]

RESOLVED: That the WG publish the next WD of the Use Case document http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html

14:56:38 [annette_g]

+1

14:56:55 [phila]

PROPOSED: That the BP doc currenetly at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published a a FPWD

14:57:01 [annette_g]

+1

14:57:01 [hadleybeeman]

+1

14:57:01 [antoine]

+1

14:57:01 [ericstephan]

+1

14:57:02 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

14:57:03 [laufer]

+1

14:57:06 [deirdrelee]

+1

14:57:06 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1

14:57:07 [Caroline_]

+1

14:57:09 [gatemezi]

+1

14:57:09 [BernadetteLoscio]

+1

14:57:10 [AdrianoC]

+1

14:57:11 [newton]

+1

14:57:12 [MTCarrasco]

+1

14:57:13 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

s/currenetly/currently

14:57:13 [MakxDekkers]

0

14:57:31 [vagner]

+1

14:57:38 [Eric_Kauz]

+1

14:57:38 [yaso]

+1

14:57:40 [phila]

ack MakxDekkers

14:57:45 [MakxDekkers]

zakim, unmute me

14:57:45 [Zakim]

MakxDekkers was not muted, MakxDekkers

14:57:45 [CarlosIglesias]

would like to raise your attention to the fact that similar terminology problems may apply also to the Use Case Document

14:57:46 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

s/published a a/published as a

14:58:06 [CarlosIglesias]

so need to coordinate once we decide on final terminology

14:58:21 [MTCarrasco]

q+

14:58:38 [phila]

MakxDekkers: From my POV there is too much that we're still discussing. I don't want to stop it, but if this were for a client I wouldn't want to pass this on

14:58:46 [phila]

ack MTCarrasco

14:58:54 [BernadetteLoscio]

yes Carlos... we're gonna do this

14:59:19 [hadleybeeman]

Makx, that makes sense to me. But I feel okay because this is a FPWD, not a full rec yet.

14:59:24 [phila]

MTCarrasco: I'm not extremely happy, but at the otehr hand we have to publish something to get feedback so it's not that we're voting on the final recommendations

14:59:29 [hadleybeeman]

+1 to MTCarrasco! Well said :)

14:59:32 [phila]

... so let's go ahead and take the punches

14:59:33 [ericstephan]

+1 MTCarrasco

14:59:34 [antoine]

I think that the idea is not to go to clients yet.

14:59:49 [riccardoAlbertoni]

+1 MTCarrasco

14:59:50 [hadleybeeman]

I think that's a resolved

15:00:22 [ericstephan]

3 proposal approvals in 5 minutes is this a W3C record?

15:00:23 [phila]

RESOLVED: That the BP doc currently at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html is published as a FPWD

15:00:23 [annette_g]

+1 for nervousness

15:00:35 [BernadetteLoscio]

:)

15:00:38 [phila]

phila: Is nervous...

15:00:39 [hadleybeeman]

We still have work left to do, I think we all agree on that.

15:00:40 [antoine]

+1 but in the end it will be alright :-)

15:00:48 [hadleybeeman]

But yes — feedback should help us!

15:00:48 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

phila's disclaimer makes me less nervous

15:00:53 [Caroline_]

+1 to hadleybeeman

15:01:02 [hadleybeeman]

Yeay!! 2 big resolutions today!

15:01:06 [laufer]

comgrats to the editors!

15:01:12 [antoine]

congrats!

15:01:13 [phila]

deirdrelee: Congrats to editors, esp Bernadette

15:01:14 [yaso]

yes!!

15:01:19 [laufer]

congrats

15:01:20 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

good stuff, congrats

15:01:20 [AdrianoC]

Congrats! (y)

15:01:21 [gatemezi]

congrats all editors... deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio et al.

15:01:29 [phila]

deirdrelee: So next steps are how to address feedback etc.

15:01:30 [annette_g]

go, us! let's keep up the work!

15:01:33 [yaso]

tks editors - agree to pay more beer to BernadetteLoscio :-)

15:01:35 [ericstephan]

Deirdre thank you for carrying the UCR forward!

15:01:42 [vagner]

congrasts editors

15:01:43 [phila]

... +1 to ericstephan

15:01:44 [newton]

thanks to Bernadette to lead us so well :-)

15:01:46 [riccardoAlbertoni]

thanks for all the work, Congrats!!

15:01:51 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

15:01:55 [MTCarrasco]

bye

15:02:03 [gatemezi]

bye

15:02:07 [Caroline_]

+1 to newton BernadetteLoscio was incredible!

15:02:10 [laufer]

nice weekend! by all! work is only beginning...

15:02:19 [Zakim]

-MakxDekkers

15:02:24 [annette_g]

thanks, Phil!

15:02:27 [ericstephan]

yahoo!

15:02:29 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

bye

15:02:31 [Zakim]

-MTCarrasco

15:02:32 [riccardoAlbertoni]

bye

15:02:33 [Zakim]

-Eric_Kauz

15:02:33 [CarlosIglesias]

bye!

15:02:37 [yaso]

bye!!!

15:02:37 [Zakim]

-annette_g

15:02:38 [AdrianoC]

Bye!

15:02:39 [Zakim]

-CarlosIglesias

15:02:40 [Zakim]

-phila

15:02:40 [Zakim]

-deirdrelee

15:02:40 [Zakim]

-riccardoAlbertoni

15:02:42 [Zakim]

-Caroline_

15:02:42 [Zakim]

-ericstephan

15:02:43 [Zakim]

-antoine

15:02:43 [yaso]

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15:02:45 [Zakim]

-laufer

15:02:47 [Zakim]

-BernadetteLoscio

15:02:50 [Zakim]

-[GVoice]

15:02:52 [annette_g]

bye!

15:02:55 [annette_g]

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15:03:03 [Zakim]

-HadleyBeeman

15:03:04 [Zakim]

DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

15:03:04 [Zakim]

Attendees were deirdrelee, antoine, HadleyBeeman, annette_g, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaaa, Eric_Kauz, phila, AdrianoC, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, BernadetteLoscio,

15:03:04 [Zakim]

... newton, JoaoPauloAlmeida, CarlosIglesias, MakxDekkers, yaso, vagner, [GVoice]

15:03:57 [hadleybeeman]

Yeay!! :) Glad you're coming, deirdrelee

15:04:28 [deirdrelee]

looking forward to it!

15:04:35 [deirdrelee]

thanks for scribing phil

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