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DWBP f2f meeting, day 2 at TPAC

Minutes of 31 October 2014

Present
Hadley Beeman, Phil Archer, Eric Kauz, Flavio Yanai, Newton Calegari, Unknown Sandro, Unknown Tennison, Unknown Frederick, Unknown Taisuke, Carlos Laufer, Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto, Vagner Diniz, Eric Stephan, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Jeremy Debattista, Adriano Pereira, Unknown Alexandre, Riccardo Albertoni, Caroline Burle, Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício, Deirdre Lee
Guests
Jeni Tennison, Alexandre Furtado, Sandro Hawke, Frederick Hirsch, Taisuke Fukuno, Jeremy Tandy
Chair
Bernadette Farias Loscio
Scribe
Jeni Tennison, Phil Archer, Frederick Hirsch, Newton Calegari, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Unknown yaso
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”? link
  2. Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”? link
  3. Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”? link
  4. That the focus of our work is technical link
  5. Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html link
  6. all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage link
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16:05:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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16:05:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM scheduled to start 35 minutes ago

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16:05:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
16:05:36 <trackbot> Date: 31 October 2014
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Jeni (JeniT) Tennison
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Alexandre Furtado
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Sandro Hawke
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Frederick (fjh) Hirsch
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Taisuke (taisuke) Fukuno
16:05:45 <phila> Guest: Jeremy (jtandy) Tandy
16:05:45 <Jeni Tennison> Present: Hadley, PhilA, Eric_Kauz, Flavio, Newton, Sandro, Jeni Tennison, Frederick, Taisuke, Laufer, Ig_Bittencourt, Vagner, Eric_Stephan, Bernadette, Jeremy, AdrianoC, Alexandre, Riccardo

Scribe problem: the name 'Sandro' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Jeni Tennison' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Frederick' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Taisuke' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Alexandre' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

16:06:04 <Jeni Tennison> scribenick: Jeni Tennison

(Scribe set to Jeni Tennison)

16:06:20 <phila> RRSAgent, This meeting spans midnight

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, This meeting spans midnight

16:08:47 <phila> zakim, this is dwbp

Phil Archer: zakim, this is dwbp

16:08:47 <Zakim> phila, I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be dwbp".

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be dwbp".

16:08:57 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp

Phil Archer: zakim, this will be dwbp

16:08:57 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM scheduled to start 38 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM scheduled to start 38 minutes ago

16:09:11 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has now started

16:09:17 <Zakim> +Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline

16:10:04 <Caroline> Hello!

Scribe problem: the name 'Caroline' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Caroline' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Caroline: Hello!

16:10:21 <Caroline> Nathalia and I have called, but we are the only ones on the phone!

Scribe problem: the name 'Caroline' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Caroline' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Caroline: Nathalia and I have called, but we are the only ones on the phone!

16:10:45 <nathalia> Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

Scribe problem: the name 'nathalia' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'nathalia' does not match any of the 27 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Hadley Beeman Phil Archer Eric Kauz Flavio Yanai Newton Calegari Unknown Sandro Unknown Tennison Unknown Frederick Unknown Taisuke Carlos Laufer Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Vagner Diniz Eric Stephan Bernadette Farias Loscio Jeremy Debattista Adriano Pereira Unknown Alexandre Riccardo Albertoni Jeni Tennison Alexandre Furtado Sandro Hawke Frederick Hirsch Taisuke Fukuno Jeremy Tandy Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown nathalia: Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

16:10:46 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nathalia; got it

16:11:40 <phila> zakim, call salona

Phil Archer: zakim, call salona

16:11:40 <Zakim> ok, phila; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; the call is being made

16:11:43 <Zakim> +Salona

Zakim IRC Bot: +Salona

16:13:34 <Jeni Tennison> Present: Hadley, PhilA, Eric_Kauz, Flavio, Newton, Sandro, Jeni Tennison, Frederick, Taisuke, Laufer, Ig_Bittencourt, Vagner, Eric_Stephan, Bernadette, Jeremy, AdrianoC, Alexandre, Riccardo, Caroline, Nathalia, Deirdre

Scribe problem: the name 'Sandro' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Jeni Tennison' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Frederick' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Taisuke' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

Scribe problem: the name 'Alexandre' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Andrei Sambra Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Cristiana Gonzalez Daniel Schwabe Deblyn prado Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Phil Archer Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Reinaldo Ferraz Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vanessa Me Tonini Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster

16:13:43 <taisuke> http://fukuno.jig.jp/2014/sparqlknocker

Taisuke Fukuno: http://fukuno.jig.jp/2014/sparqlknocker

16:14:10 <phila> scribe: phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

16:14:12 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: we’ll sort out agenda & scribes now

Hadley Beeman: we’ll sort out agenda & scribes now [ Scribe Assist by Jeni Tennison ]

16:14:17 <hadleybeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/TPAC_2014

Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/TPAC_2014

16:14:19 <phila> scribe: Jeni Tennison

(Scribe set to Jeni Tennison)

16:14:39 <phila> Meeting: DWBP f2f meeting, day 2 at TPAC
16:14:44 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: our goal for TPAC is to have a rough draft of each of our deliverables before we leave

Hadley Beeman: our goal for TPAC is to have a rough draft of each of our deliverables before we leave

16:14:45 <phila> chair: hadleybeeman
16:15:05 <phila> regrets+ Steve_Adler, Mark Harrison

Phil Archer: regrets+ Steve_Adler, Mark Harrison

16:15:14 <Jeni Tennison> … we assumed that it would be useful to review issues on tracker

… we assumed that it would be useful to review issues on tracker

16:15:27 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:15:28 <Jeni Tennison> … do that this morning, and work on documents this afternoon

… do that this morning, and work on documents this afternoon

16:15:55 <phila> q+ to talk about remaining (new) requirements

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about remaining (new) requirements

16:15:59 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: re best practices, all the issues that were raised yesterday concern the best practices document

Bernadette Farias Loscio: re best practices, all the issues that were raised yesterday concern the best practices document

16:16:34 <Jeni Tennison> … we can discuss the issues, but for TPAC we had in mind to discuss the ToC and to have an agreement about the themes/subjects/sections for the ToC

… we can discuss the issues, but for TPAC we had in mind to discuss the ToC and to have an agreement about the themes/subjects/sections for the ToC

16:16:39 <jtandy> q+ to ask whether we would like to develop some "in scope / out of scope" tests

Jeremy Tandy: q+ to ask whether we would like to develop some "in scope / out of scope" tests

16:16:54 <Jeni Tennison> … this can come from the discussion about the issues, because that helps clarify the scope & get agreement about what we’re discussing

… this can come from the discussion about the issues, because that helps clarify the scope & get agreement about what we’re discussing

16:17:09 <Jeni Tennison> … we need to discuss the issues and from that I hope we can get agreement about the scope for each section

… we need to discuss the issues and from that I hope we can get agreement about the scope for each section

16:17:18 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: is that best done talking through the issues rather than the ToC?

Hadley Beeman: is that best done talking through the issues rather than the ToC?

16:17:31 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: I’d like to show our proposal; we can discuss that and then the issues

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I’d like to show our proposal; we can discuss that and then the issues

16:17:45 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d like to have a description of each section by the end of the day

… I’d like to have a description of each section by the end of the day

16:18:05 <Jeni Tennison> … then it will be easier to describe the best practices for each requirement

… then it will be easier to describe the best practices for each requirement

16:18:08 <newton> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Table_of_Contents_DWBP Proposed Structure

Newton Calegari: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Table_of_Contents_DWBP Proposed Structure

16:18:13 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d like to show our proposal and discuss the issues

… I’d like to show our proposal and discuss the issues

16:18:26 <Jeni Tennison> … I’m not sure if that’s best done all together or to break up based on section

… I’m not sure if that’s best done all together or to break up based on section

16:18:35 <Jeni Tennison> … I’m not sure what’s more productive

… I’m not sure what’s more productive

16:19:06 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: I propose we start that together, then we can ask the question again

Hadley Beeman: I propose we start that together, then we can ask the question again

16:19:19 <Jeni Tennison> … 15-30 minutes of you introducing the work, then we can decide whether to split or not

… 15-30 minutes of you introducing the work, then we can decide whether to split or not

16:19:29 <Jeni Tennison> … then spend the afternoon drafting

… then spend the afternoon drafting

16:19:41 <Jeni Tennison> q?

q?

16:19:43 <Jeni Tennison> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

16:19:58 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: I like the idea of starting the discussion on the ToC as a group

Eric Stephan: I like the idea of starting the discussion on the ToC as a group

16:20:05 <Jeni Tennison> … maybe some of the issues will be out of scope and get resolved

… maybe some of the issues will be out of scope and get resolved

16:20:15 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d hope we have a really strong sense of identity by the end

… I’d hope we have a really strong sense of identity by the end

16:20:24 <Jeni Tennison> … so that we know what we’re working on, and we feel like we have consensus

… so that we know what we’re working on, and we feel like we have consensus

16:20:38 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d rather stay as a larger group today instead of splitting off, because I’m not sure what the split is

… I’d rather stay as a larger group today instead of splitting off, because I’m not sure what the split is

16:20:48 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

16:20:51 <Vagner_Br> q+

Vagner Diniz: q+

16:20:52 <Jeni Tennison> ack phila

ack phila

16:20:52 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about remaining (new) requirements

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about remaining (new) requirements

16:21:04 <Jeni Tennison> phila: yesterday we went through the requirements in the use case document

Phil Archer: yesterday we went through the requirements in the use case document

16:21:22 <Jeni Tennison> … while that was being prepared, and since then, Ricardo from Italy, Lewis from NASA, have both put in new use cases

… while that was being prepared, and since then, Ricardo from Italy, Lewis from NASA, have both put in new use cases

16:21:29 <Jeni Tennison> … Eric has put in another one and I’ve put in two more

… Eric has put in another one and I’ve put in two more

16:21:40 <Jeni Tennison> … yesterday’s discussion helps me see that some of the requirements should be ditched

… yesterday’s discussion helps me see that some of the requirements should be ditched

16:22:01 <Jeni Tennison> … but where those new use cases present possible new requirements, if we had a timeboxed discussion, it might be worth looking at those quickly

… but where those new use cases present possible new requirements, if we had a timeboxed discussion, it might be worth looking at those quickly

16:22:10 <Jeni Tennison> … I think that would take 30 minutes

… I think that would take 30 minutes

16:22:22 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases Second round use cases

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases Second round use cases

16:22:28 <hadleybeeman> ack jt

Hadley Beeman: ack jt

16:22:28 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask whether we would like to develop some "in scope / out of scope" tests

Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to ask whether we would like to develop some "in scope / out of scope" tests

16:22:29 <Jeni Tennison> ack jtandy

ack jtandy

16:22:46 <Jeni Tennison> jtandy: I thought it would be useful to agree between us a couple of simple statements about what’s in and out of scope

Jeremy Tandy: I thought it would be useful to agree between us a couple of simple statements about what’s in and out of scope

16:22:54 <Jeni Tennison> … if we all walked away with the same small number of tests

… if we all walked away with the same small number of tests

16:23:01 <Jeni Tennison> … eg is it testable, is it about publishing data on the web

… eg is it testable, is it about publishing data on the web

16:23:09 <ericstephan> +1 Jtandy Amen Amen!

Eric Stephan: +1 Jtandy Amen Amen!

16:23:12 <Jeni Tennison> … I think that would help when we split apart, not to get sidetracked

… I think that would help when we split apart, not to get sidetracked

16:23:13 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to jtandy  about agreement of scope

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to jtandy about agreement of scope

16:23:31 <Jeni Tennison> … could we spend a small amount of time in plenary to discuss what those tests should be

… could we spend a small amount of time in plenary to discuss what those tests should be

16:23:33 <hadleybeeman> ack vagner

Hadley Beeman: ack vagner

16:23:34 <Jeni Tennison> ack Vagner_Br

ack Vagner_Br

16:23:48 <Jeni Tennison> Vagner_Br: I’m afraid if we review the issues we’ll go back to the same discussion as yesterday

Vagner Diniz: I’m afraid if we review the issues we’ll go back to the same discussion as yesterday

16:24:15 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d like to avoid going back to those discussions, just resolve the issues

… I’d like to avoid going back to those discussions, just resolve the issues

16:24:27 <Jeni Tennison> … focus on the issue and how to progress it, not just go back on discussion

… focus on the issue and how to progress it, not just go back on discussion

16:24:38 <Jeni Tennison> … we tend to repeat the discussion that led to the issue

… we tend to repeat the discussion that led to the issue

16:24:49 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: I’d also like to distribute the chairing responsibilities

Hadley Beeman: I’d also like to distribute the chairing responsibilities

16:24:57 <Jeni Tennison> … we have lots of capable people in this room

… we have lots of capable people in this room

16:25:08 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:25:16 <hadleybeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:25:17 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d like to split that up by hour or something, so other people can be chair for a bit

… I’d like to split that up by hour or something, so other people can be chair for a bit

16:25:46 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: with fjh in the room, there’s a great opportunity here for us to be thinking about how we can use other capabilities in the W3C

Eric Stephan: with fjh in the room, there’s a great opportunity here for us to be thinking about how we can use other capabilities in the W3C

16:25:57 <Jeni Tennison> … hearing comments from fjh’s perspective would be very important

… hearing comments from fjh’s perspective would be very important

16:26:53 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: ok, 5-10 mins on scope questions; then review new use cases until 10am, then 30 mins for BernadetteLoscio to introduce best practices ToC & structure

Hadley Beeman: ok, 5-10 mins on scope questions; then review new use cases until 10am, then 30 mins for BernadetteLoscio to introduce best practices ToC & structure

16:27:21 <Jeni Tennison> … then 10:30-12:30 to find issues in best practices & do work on best practices

… then 10:30-12:00 to find issues in best practices & do work on best practices

16:27:35 <Jeni Tennison> s/12:30/12:00/
16:27:43 <Jeni Tennison> … 12:00-13:00 lunch

… 12:00-13:00 lunch

16:27:52 <Jeni Tennison> … 13:00-17:00 working on drafts

… 13:00-17:00 working on drafts

16:27:59 <Jeni Tennison> … 17:00-17:30 summary & next steps

… 17:00-17:30 summary & next steps

16:28:38 <Jeni Tennison> [some discussion about some people leaving early]

[some discussion about some people leaving early]

16:29:26 <hadleybeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/TPAC_2014#Agenda

Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/TPAC_2014#Agenda

16:31:07 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

16:31:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I like the schedule, please consider I am available via IRC for the next one Hour, and if you need further explanation about the LuSTRE USE case I can try to Jump in the discussion via Skype...

Riccardo Albertoni: I like the schedule, please consider I am available via IRC for the next one Hour, and if you need further explanation about the LuSTRE USE case I can try to Jump in the discussion via Skype...

16:31:28 <Jeni Tennison> [scribing assignments]

[scribing assignments]

16:31:51 <fjh> q-

Frederick Hirsch: q-

16:32:47 <Jeni Tennison> Topic: Scoping Questions

1. Scoping Questions

16:32:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:33:05 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: are the questions on the board the right questions?

Hadley Beeman: are the questions on the board the right questions?

16:33:20 <Jeni Tennison> phila: “Is it unique to publishing on the web?”

Phil Archer: “Is it unique to publishing on the web?”

16:33:28 <hadleybeeman> ack bern

Hadley Beeman: ack bern

16:33:32 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

16:33:39 <Jeni Tennison> … “is addressing it encouraging people to publish or use data on the web”

… “is addressing it encouraging people to publish or use data on the web”

16:33:41 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:33:43 <Jeni Tennison> … “is it testable?”

… “is it testable?”

16:33:56 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: I’m concerned about the third one

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I’m concerned about the third one

16:34:25 <Jeni Tennison> … for the best practices document, what I’m afraid is that the things we need to explain will be in a non-normative section or a note

… for the best practices document, what I’m afraid is that the things we need to explain will be in a non-normative section or a note

16:34:25 <Jeni Tennison> … but they still have to be explained

… but they still have to be explained

16:34:35 <Jeni Tennison> … I think we should try not to just remove things because they’re out of scope because they’re not testable

… I think we should try not to just remove things because they’re out of scope because they’re not testable

16:34:38 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:34:40 <Jeni Tennison> … they might still be things people have to know

… they might still be things people have to know

16:34:48 <Jeni Tennison> … for example the data selection thing we discussed yesterday

… for example the data selection thing we discussed yesterday

16:34:56 <Jeni Tennison> … this might be out of scope because it’s not possible to test

… this might be out of scope because it’s not possible to test

16:35:16 <laufer> q?

Carlos Laufer: q?

16:35:19 <Jeni Tennison> … but it’s something we should discuss with people, or say something about in a note

… but it’s something we should discuss with people, or say something about in a note

16:35:19 <Jeni Tennison> … we can’t test it but we have to say something about it

… we can’t test it but we have to say something about it

16:35:20 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:35:31 <Jeni Tennison> … because when we have the issues we’re trying to say let’s not include this because it’s out of scope

… because when we have the issues we’re trying to say let’s not include this because it’s out of scope

16:35:49 <hadleybeeman> ack j

Hadley Beeman: ack j

16:35:51 <Jeni Tennison> … can some things be removed because it’s out of scope, but other things because we can’t test we can’t have a best practice about that

… can some things be removed because it’s out of scope, but other things because we can’t test we can’t have a best practice about that

16:36:10 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

16:36:11 <Jeni Tennison> jtandy: I think scoping questions should have three possible answers: rec track, note, or bin it

Jeremy Tandy: I think scoping questions should have three possible answers: rec track, note, or bin it

16:36:24 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+

16:36:24 <phila> q+ to talk about normative/non-normative

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about normative/non-normative

16:36:26 <Jeni Tennison> … looking at the first one (is it unique to publishing on the web)

… looking at the first one (is it unique to publishing on the web)

16:36:41 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d like to see a differentiation about best practices about publishing data vs those that are specific to on the web

… I’d like to see a differentiation about best practices about publishing data vs those that are specific to on the web

16:36:54 <Jeni Tennison> … to keep the scope of the work manageable, not just generally publishing data

… to keep the scope of the work manageable, not just generally publishing data

16:37:04 <Jeni Tennison> … that might be hard because we want to provide as much information to people as possible

… that might be hard because we want to provide as much information to people as possible

16:37:19 <Jeni Tennison> … but there’s a lot to do if we take a broad approach, so I’m advocating a narrow approach

… but there’s a lot to do if we take a broad approach, so I’m advocating a narrow approach

16:37:24 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: publishing *data*

Bernadette Farias Loscio: publishing *data*

16:37:25 <hadleybeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:37:34 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: BernadetteLoscio, in relation to testability

Eric Stephan: BernadetteLoscio, in relation to testability

16:37:49 <Jeni Tennison> … I’d say if they’re related by context to being testable, I’d consider that in scope

… I’d say if they’re related by context to being testable, I’d consider that in scope

16:38:13 <Jeni Tennison> … the other thing to think about for testing is we really have to have implementations that can show that not only we’re publishing data on the web, but some evidence that people found that useful

… the other thing to think about for testing is we really have to have implementations that can show that not only we’re publishing data on the web, but some evidence that people found that useful

16:38:23 <Jeni Tennison> … a use case that I introduced today, I’m planning an implementation for it

… a use case that I introduced today, I’m planning an implementation for it

16:38:35 <Jeni Tennison> … not only publishing data on the web but were we successful in people using & reusing that data

… not only publishing data on the web but were we successful in people using & reusing that data

16:38:37 <hadleybeeman> q-

Hadley Beeman: q-

16:38:40 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:38:51 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: about the second test (encouraging people to publish)

Carlos Laufer: about the second test (encouraging people to publish)

16:39:04 <Jeni Tennison> … the first is about encouraging people to really use the data

… the first is about encouraging people to really use the data

16:39:13 <Jeni Tennison> … some are about encouraging people to *publish*

… some are about encouraging people to *publish*

16:39:25 <Jeni Tennison> … people are worried about publishing data eg metadata, sometimes it’s difficult

… people are worried about publishing data eg metadata, sometimes it’s difficult

16:39:32 <Jeni Tennison> … but it will help people to *use* the data

… but it will help people to *use* the data

16:39:35 <phila> q+ later

Phil Archer: q+ later

16:39:43 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

16:39:45 <Jeni Tennison> … the scope of this group is to help people to *use* the data

… the scope of this group is to help people to *use* the data

16:40:09 <Jeni Tennison> … the second thought is that the same thing can encourage reuse as encouraging [scribe missed]

… the second thought is that the same thing can encourage reuse as encouraging [scribe missed]

16:40:36 <hadleybeeman> ack lauf

Hadley Beeman: ack lauf

16:40:37 <Jeni Tennison> … the requirement will encourage people to use data, I don’t know if we can encourage them to publish it

… the requirement will encourage people to use data, I don’t know if we can encourage them to publish it

16:40:48 <hadleybeeman> ack ig

Hadley Beeman: ack ig

16:40:50 <Jeni Tennison> … it’s not easy for them to publish, but we’ll help people reuse it

… it’s not easy for them to publish, but we’ll help people reuse it

16:41:00 <Jeni Tennison> Ig_Bittencourt: I think both publishing and consuming are in scope for the group

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I think both publishing and consuming are in scope for the group

16:41:19 <Jeni Tennison> … but from a publishing perspective I’d say that what should be in scope is not only publishing data on the web but in a good way

… but from a publishing perspective I’d say that what should be in scope is not only publishing data on the web but in a good way

16:41:38 <Jeni Tennison> … and if we’re doing recommendations & creating best practices, the scope should be about publishing data on the web in a good way

… and if we’re doing recommendations & creating best practices, the scope should be about publishing data on the web in a good way

16:41:46 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: the good way for *whom*?

Carlos Laufer: the good way for *whom*?

16:41:47 <hadleybeeman> q-

Hadley Beeman: q-

16:42:04 <Jeni Tennison> Ig_Bittencourt: we can make recommendations of good practices about how to publish, eg 5 star scheme

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: we can make recommendations of good practices about how to publish, eg 5 star scheme

16:42:21 <Jeni Tennison> … eg about vocabularies, we can make recommendations about the reuse of vocabularies when publishign data

… eg about vocabularies, we can make recommendations about the reuse of vocabularies when publishign data

16:42:27 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: because it makes it easy to use

Carlos Laufer: because it makes it easy to use

16:42:38 <Jeni Tennison> Ig_Bittencourt: if you want to enable people to use data, you have to publish it well

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: if you want to enable people to use data, you have to publish it well

16:42:41 <hadleybeeman> ack phil

Hadley Beeman: ack phil

16:43:01 <Jeni Tennison> phila: BernadetteLoscio talked about contextualising some of the best practices

Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio talked about contextualising some of the best practices

16:43:08 <Jeni Tennison> … we’ve had discussion about a separate note

… we’ve had discussion about a separate note

16:43:22 <Jeni Tennison> … a note is simply a document that we produce that isn’t tested, not part of rec track, not normative

… a note is simply a document that we produce that isn’t tested, not part of rec track, not normative

16:43:36 <Jeni Tennison> … an alternative would be to include that within the recommendation, but mark sections as non-normative

… an alternative would be to include that within the recommendation, but mark sections as non-normative

16:43:43 <Jeni Tennison> … to provide background/context, which isn’t tested

… to provide background/context, which isn’t tested

16:44:07 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:44:08 <Jeni Tennison> … I think it will emerge about whether it’s easier to have everything in one document or to have separate documents

… I think it will emerge about whether it’s easier to have everything in one document or to have separate documents

16:44:11 <Jeni Tennison> … ie just because it’s in a rec document doesn’t mean it has to be tested

… ie just because it’s in a rec document doesn’t mean it has to be tested

16:44:32 <Jeni Tennison> … to pick up on ericstephan’s point, we have to show evidence that two organisations have implemented each recommendation

… to pick up on ericstephan’s point, we have to show evidence that two organisations have implemented each recommendation

16:44:43 <Jeni Tennison> … when it’s technical that’s clear how to do; with a best practice it’s harder to prove that it’s been used

… when it’s technical that’s clear how to do; with a best practice it’s harder to prove that it’s been used

16:45:23 <Jeni Tennison> … my expectation is that the evidence the group collects will be looking at what people have done, but the evidence for it being used outside the people in this room is it being used in other people’s guidelines

… my expectation is that the evidence the group collects will be looking at what people have done, but the evidence for it being used outside the people in this room is it being used in other people’s guidelines

16:45:43 <Jeni Tennison> … eg in SharePSI, 40 EU partners, including governments, academics, enterprise, SMEs etc

… eg in SharePSI, 40 EU partners, including governments, academics, enterprise, SMEs etc

16:46:17 <Jeni Tennison> … their contractual obligation to you is that before June 2016 they’ll update their guidelines to refer what we’re writing here

… their contractual obligation to you is that before June 2016 they’ll update their guidelines to refer what we’re writing here

16:46:45 <Jeni Tennison> … we have people from Spanish government, people from Albania, through to PwC, ODI, Open Knowledge, OGC, it’s a big group

… we have people from Spanish government, people from Albania, through to PwC, ODI, Open Knowledge, OGC, it’s a big group

16:46:56 <Jeni Tennison> … I’m hoping that will be useful as evidence

… I’m hoping that will be useful as evidence

16:47:11 <Jeni Tennison> … if there are recommendations that no one can actually use, you shouldn’t include it

… if there are recommendations that no one can actually use, you shouldn’t include it

16:47:20 <Jeni Tennison> … getting to a W3C Recommendation is hard

… getting to a W3C Recommendation is hard

16:47:27 <EricKauz> Q+

Eric Kauz: Q+

16:47:35 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: they’re actually obliged to use what we’ve written?

Hadley Beeman: they’re actually obliged to use what we’ve written?

16:47:45 <Jeni Tennison> phila: they have to read & review & consider using it

Phil Archer: they have to read & review & consider using it

16:47:51 <Jeni Tennison> … they don’t have to use it

… they don’t have to use it

16:47:55 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

16:47:58 <Jeni Tennison> … it has to be relevant for them

… it has to be relevant for them

16:48:10 <Jeni Tennison> … and they’re contributing use cases

… and they’re contributing use cases

16:48:21 <Jeni Tennison> ack hadleybeeman

ack hadleybeeman

16:48:26 <fjh> q-

Frederick Hirsch: q-

16:48:49 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: I’m interested in the distinction between description & context ie telling the story about what’s going on vs advice that can be tested

Hadley Beeman: I’m interested in the distinction between description & context ie telling the story about what’s going on vs advice that can be tested

16:49:05 <Jeni Tennison> … I worry about suggesting updates to data at a particular frequency, or creating feedback mechanisms, where we can’t test it

… I worry about suggesting updates to data at a particular frequency, or creating feedback mechanisms, where we can’t test it

16:49:22 <Jeni Tennison> … to me that’s different to general description and context

… to me that’s different to general description and context

16:49:22 <Jeni Tennison> … that’s a distinction that I keep coming back to

… that’s a distinction that I keep coming back to

16:49:41 <Jeni Tennison> … I feel like there are lots of other organisations that are spending time on the behavioural/economic/democratic implications stuff

… I feel like there are lots of other organisations that are spending time on the behavioural/economic/democratic implications stuff

16:50:03 <hadleybeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:50:06 <Jeni Tennison> … but I don’t think most of those discussions will help us make data on the web more reusable in a technical way

… but I don’t think most of those discussions will help us make data on the web more reusable in a technical way

16:50:09 <Jeni Tennison> EricKauz: At GS1 we’re putting together guidelines about publishing product data on the web

Eric Kauz: At GS1 we’re putting together guidelines about publishing product data on the web

16:50:19 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:50:19 <Jeni Tennison> … so we’ll also incorporate the guidelines from here

… so we’ll also incorporate the guidelines from here

16:50:29 <Jeni Tennison> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

16:50:41 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: is this related to data.gov work in the US?

Eric Stephan: is this related to data.gov work in the US?

16:50:49 <Jeni Tennison> phila: not directly, but there’s crossover

Phil Archer: not directly, but there’s crossover

16:51:20 <Jeni Tennison> … we have good connections into data.gov

… we have good connections into data.gov

16:51:39 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: should we try to get wording like these questions that we can all agree to?

Hadley Beeman: should we try to get wording like these questions that we can all agree to?

16:51:50 <ericstephan> @phila who was the point of contact you had at data.gov?

Eric Stephan: @phila who was the point of contact you had at data.gov?

16:51:53 <Jeni Tennison> … it would be great to have some set of rules, whatever they are, because these questions do keep coming up

… it would be great to have some set of rules, whatever they are, because these questions do keep coming up

16:52:01 <Jeni Tennison> … is that possible?

… is that possible?

16:52:18 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

16:52:24 <Jeni Tennison> phila: I suggest we use these questions unless we decide to change it

Phil Archer: I suggest we use these questions unless we decide to change it

16:52:49 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: if the requirement are in scope & are testable then they will be normative, otherwise they’ll be non-normative

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if the requirement are in scope & are testable then they will be normative, otherwise they’ll be non-normative

16:52:54 <taisuke> q+

Taisuke Fukuno: q+

16:53:03 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: these should get us started

Eric Stephan: these should get us started

16:53:13 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:53:17 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: let’s put them in a wiki page

Hadley Beeman: let’s put them in a wiki page

16:53:22 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

16:53:24 <Jeni Tennison> phila: yes, but we should also put them in a resolution

Phil Archer: yes, but we should also put them in a resolution

16:53:46 <Caroline> this link I just put is Bernadette's suggestion to be discussed

Caroline Burle: this link I just put is Bernadette's suggestion to be discussed

16:54:13 <hadleybeeman> ack caro

Hadley Beeman: ack caro

16:54:14 <Jeni Tennison> ack Caroline

ack Caroline

16:54:36 <Jeni Tennison> Caroline: I think BernadetteLoscio’s said, it would be nice if we could include in a document how we have these done already

Caroline Burle: I think BernadetteLoscio’s said, it would be nice if we could include in a document how we have these done already

16:54:41 <Jeni Tennison> … so we don’t start from zero again

… so we don’t start from zero again

16:54:52 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:54:59 <Jeni Tennison> … what I did is add in the link the questions that BernadetteLoscio was talking about

… what I did is add in the link the questions that BernadetteLoscio was talking about

16:55:17 <Jeni Tennison> … we have something else that’s more specific about each of the things

… we have something else that’s more specific about each of the things

16:55:21 <hadleybeeman> ack tai

Hadley Beeman: ack tai

16:55:44 <Jeni Tennison> taisuke: I proposed to my town to open data

Taisuke Fukuno: I proposed to my town to open data

16:56:03 <Jeni Tennison> … they are doing 3 star, we want to say that 5 star open data is the best way to publish open data

… they are doing 3 star, we want to say that 5 star open data is the best way to publish open data

16:56:14 <Jeni Tennison> … I want to take this best practice to Japan

… I want to take this best practice to Japan

16:56:19 <hadleybeeman> ack lauf

Hadley Beeman: ack lauf

16:56:45 <Ig_Bittencourt> taisuke: Is your comment related to this doc http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/  ?

Taisuke Fukuno: Is your comment related to this doc http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/ ? [ Scribe Assist by Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto ]

16:56:49 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

16:57:05 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: I agree with the third scope question, the word ‘testable’ is very different, the thing we have to see to confirm that the thing we’re doing is working

Carlos Laufer: I agree with the third scope question, the word ‘testable’ is very different, the thing we have to see to confirm that the thing we’re doing is working

16:57:16 <Jeni Tennison> … when we have a standard, I can point at an application and prove that it’s working

… when we have a standard, I can point at an application and prove that it’s working

16:57:19 <phila_> q+ to question whether 5 star is *always* correct (heretic!)

Phil Archer: q+ to question whether 5 star is *always* correct (heretic!)

16:57:21 <Jeni Tennison> … testable here is a very different thing

… testable here is a very different thing

16:57:22 <phila_> q-

Phil Archer: q-

16:57:36 <phila_> q?

Phil Archer: q?

16:57:58 <Jeni Tennison> … we have to show it’s a good thing for W3C or people

… we have to show it’s a good thing for W3C or people

16:58:17 <Jeni Tennison> … we have to confirm that people are using it; phila_ suggested that it’s to include it in their guidelines

… we have to confirm that people are using it; phila_ suggested that it’s to include it in their guidelines

16:58:29 <Jeni Tennison> … I don’t know if it’s a thing that W3C will see as the same thing as testing

… I don’t know if it’s a thing that W3C will see as the same thing as testing

16:58:32 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

16:58:34 <newton> laufer: how about 'assess' ou evaluate?

Carlos Laufer: how about 'assess' ou evaluate? [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ]

16:58:39 <Jeni Tennison> … phila can answer that

… phila can answer that

16:58:45 <Jeni Tennison> … a kind of assessment, not of testing

… a kind of assessment, not of testing

16:59:11 <Jeni Tennison> phila: to a certain extent it’s up to you how you make that choice; it’s up to the Director whether he accepts that

Phil Archer: to a certain extent it’s up to you how you make that choice; it’s up to the Director whether he accepts that

16:59:32 <Jeni Tennison> … if it’s a guideline that is a nice idea, you have to prove that people agree and that it’s implementable

… if it’s a guideline that is a nice idea, you have to prove that people agree and that it’s implementable

16:59:41 <Jeni Tennison> … you’re looking for evidence that the community finds it useful and has acted on it

… you’re looking for evidence that the community finds it useful and has acted on it

16:59:58 <Jeni Tennison> … if you said ‘all datasets must be published in 3 formats with content negotiation’, you could test it but it isn’t going to happen

… if you said ‘all datasets must be published in 3 formats with content negotiation’, you could test it but it isn’t going to happen

17:00:24 <Jeni Tennison> … saying something less concrete; you could offer evidence that people have included it in their guidelines, like GS1 or the geospatial community

… saying something less concrete; you could offer evidence that people have included it in their guidelines, like GS1 or the geospatial community

17:00:28 <Jeni Tennison> … but it has to be rigorous

… but it has to be rigorous

17:00:32 <Jeni Tennison> … so testable is important

… so testable is important

17:00:46 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: my worry is that they will have to put it in the guidelines before it gets approved

Carlos Laufer: my worry is that they will have to put it in the guidelines before it gets approved

17:01:01 <Vagner_Br> q?

Vagner Diniz: q?

17:01:04 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: it is a bit of a negotiation process because in Last Call we put out the document for comments & we get feedback

Hadley Beeman: it is a bit of a negotiation process because in Last Call we put out the document for comments & we get feedback

17:01:10 <Jeni Tennison> … then we go to CR and show implementations

… then we go to CR and show implementations

17:01:13 <taisuke> Ig_Bittencourt: I mean I want to encouraging local government people to publish open data as 5 star, because It's the best

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I mean I want to encouraging local government people to publish open data as 5 star, because It's the best [ Scribe Assist by Taisuke Fukuno ]

17:01:33 <Jeni Tennison> … but it might be that CR shows we don’t have implementations, which means we have to go back

… but it might be that CR shows we don’t have implementations, which means we have to go back

17:01:42 <Jeni Tennison> phila: Last Call & CR have been merged

Phil Archer: Last Call & CR have been merged

17:01:46 <Jeni Tennison> … that’s agile W3C!

… that’s agile W3C!

17:02:02 <hadleybeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

17:02:05 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

17:02:22 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: I think this needs to go into best practices, but it’s important to have somewhere else too

Hadley Beeman: I think this needs to go into best practices, but it’s important to have somewhere else too

17:02:30 <Jeni Tennison> … we need to demonstrate to the rest of the world what we’re doing

… we need to demonstrate to the rest of the world what we’re doing

17:02:38 <Jeni Tennison> … we could have put this (these questions) in the charter

… we could have put this (these questions) in the charter

17:02:44 <Jeni Tennison> … because it’s about who we are and what we’re doing

… because it’s about who we are and what we’re doing

17:03:01 <Jeni Tennison> … these ideas & our commitment to them needs to be above our documents, it needs to feed into everything we do

… these ideas & our commitment to them needs to be above our documents, it needs to feed into everything we do

17:03:18 <Jeni Tennison> fjh: my familiarity is that Rec track you have do testing of things in code & implementations

Frederick Hirsch: my familiarity is that Rec track you have do testing of things in code & implementations

17:03:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:03:23 <jtandy> q+ to ask if we should review these scoping points against the charter ... is there anything we won't now deliver?

Jeremy Tandy: q+ to ask if we should review these scoping points against the charter ... is there anything we won't now deliver?

17:03:27 <Jeni Tennison> … I don’t know if there’s experience with Rec track best practices

… I don’t know if there’s experience with Rec track best practices

17:03:37 <Jeni Tennison> phila: what I mentioned will work so long as we’re rigorous

Phil Archer: what I mentioned will work so long as we’re rigorous

17:03:48 <Jeni Tennison> … the first WG I was involved with was mobile web best practices

… the first WG I was involved with was mobile web best practices

17:03:55 <Jeni Tennison> … some of it was testable, some was wooly

… some of it was testable, some was wooly

17:04:07 <Jeni Tennison> … the things that were machine testable, we built a validator

… the things that were machine testable, we built a validator

17:04:15 <Jeni Tennison> … there was a validator suite that was built

… there was a validator suite that was built

17:04:21 <Jeni Tennison> … and another bunch that was human testable

… and another bunch that was human testable

17:04:28 <Jeni Tennison> … more than half weren’t machine testable

… more than half weren’t machine testable

17:04:38 <Jeni Tennison> fjh: it might be useful to mention testability ahead of time

Frederick Hirsch: it might be useful to mention testability ahead of time

17:04:42 <Jeni Tennison> phila: I think it’s in the charter

Phil Archer: I think it’s in the charter

17:05:13 <phila> From the charter - To advance to Proposed Recommendation, evidence will be adduced that each of the best practices have been recommended in at least two environments, such as data portals and formal policies.

Phil Archer: From the charter - To advance to Proposed Recommendation, evidence will be adduced that each of the best practices have been recommended in at least two environments, such as data portals and formal policies.

17:05:13 <phila> The vocabularies that will eventually be developed by the working group will be published via the W3C Vocabulary Management Process that offers stability of terms but the flexibility for future evolution in response to community demand.

Phil Archer: The vocabularies that will eventually be developed by the working group will be published via the W3C Vocabulary Management Process that offers stability of terms but the flexibility for future evolution in response to community demand.

17:05:23 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html

17:06:01 <Jeni Tennison> phila: in the charter the vocabularies are notes

Phil Archer: in the charter the vocabularies are notes

17:06:07 <Jeni Tennison> … take that as a minimum

… take that as a minimum

17:06:22 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

17:06:26 <hadleybeeman> ack f

Hadley Beeman: ack f

17:06:35 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:06:47 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: phila just said that there might be machine testable best practices

Bernadette Farias Loscio: phila just said that there might be machine testable best practices

17:06:55 <Jeni Tennison> … it would be nice to have examples of how to test best practice

… it would be nice to have examples of how to test best practice

17:07:17 <Jeni Tennison> phila: sounds like an action item

Phil Archer: sounds like an action item

17:07:43 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: just to look at how best practices were tested in other W3C specs

Bernadette Farias Loscio: just to look at how best practices were tested in other W3C specs

17:08:02 <Jeni Tennison> … because everybody will produce some best practices so everyone needs to know how we’re going to test them

… because everybody will produce some best practices so everyone needs to know how we’re going to test them

17:08:08 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: who’d like to volunteer?

Hadley Beeman: who’d like to volunteer?

17:08:29 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: newton?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: newton?

17:08:37 <Jeni Tennison> newton: ok

Newton Calegari: ok

17:09:02 <hadleybeeman> action: newton to research and report ways that technical best practices have been tested

ACTION: newton to research and report ways that technical best practices have been tested

17:09:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Research and report ways that technical best practices have been tested [on Newton Calegari - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Research and report ways that technical best practices have been tested [on Newton Calegari - due 2014-11-07].

17:09:07 <phila> The Mobile Web BP doc is at http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ and it links to the implementation reports (see status section) - NB newton

Phil Archer: The Mobile Web BP doc is at http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ and it links to the implementation reports (see status section) - NB newton

17:09:41 <Jeni Tennison> phila: you should find every BP in mobile has at least 2 green bars in the table

Phil Archer: you should find every BP in mobile has at least 2 green bars in the table

17:09:43 <Jeni Tennison> … it’s hard to do

… it’s hard to do

17:09:52 <hadleybeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope

Hadley Beeman: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope

17:09:58 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: I’ve put this discussion into a wiki page ^^

Hadley Beeman: I’ve put this discussion into a wiki page ^^

17:10:07 <newton> thanks phila

Newton Calegari: thanks phila

17:10:17 <ericstephan> nice example @phila

Eric Stephan: nice example @phila

17:10:20 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: we agree these questions for the moment, as of today

PROPOSED: we agree these questions for the moment, as of today

17:10:26 <CarlosIglesias> newton, also WCAG could be a good reference http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: newton, also WCAG could be a good reference http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/

17:10:29 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:10:31 <jtandy> +1 (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer)

17:10:49 <Jeni Tennison> phila: can we resolve one by one?

Phil Archer: can we resolve one by one?

17:11:16 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

PROPOSED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

17:11:20 <newton> thank @CarlosIglesias, I'm going to read it as well

Newton Calegari: thank @CarlosIglesias, I'm going to read it as well

17:11:20 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

17:11:25 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:11:27 <Jeni Tennison> +1

+1

17:11:27 <jtandy> +1 (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer)

17:11:29 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:11:32 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:11:32 <yaso> =1

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Unknown yaso: =1

17:11:34 <yaso> OPS

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Unknown yaso: OPS

17:11:34 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:11:35 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

17:11:35 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

17:11:37 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

17:11:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

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Unknown BartvanLeeuwen: +1

17:11:42 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:11:42 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:11:43 <CarlosIglesias> Is it unique to publishing on the web?

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: Is it unique to publishing on the web?

17:11:44 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

17:11:45 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

17:11:48 <CarlosIglesias> why?

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: why?

17:11:51 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:12:03 <CarlosIglesias> the *unique* I mean

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: the *unique* I mean

17:12:28 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: phila, can you respond to CarlosIglesias?

Hadley Beeman: phila, can you respond to CarlosIglesias?

17:12:38 <CarlosIglesias> Is it for publishing on the Web?

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: Is it for publishing on the Web?

17:12:46 <phila> Welcome to W3C ;-)

Phil Archer: Welcome to W3C ;-)

17:12:53 <CarlosIglesias> but not necessarily *unique*

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: but not necessarily *unique*

17:12:57 <phila> Our remit stops at the end of the Web

Phil Archer: Our remit stops at the end of the Web

17:13:18 <phila> if it's not unique to the Web then others are as able to make recommendations as we are

Phil Archer: if it's not unique to the Web then others are as able to make recommendations as we are

17:13:25 <phila> we need to limit our scope to our area of expertise

Phil Archer: we need to limit our scope to our area of expertise

17:13:43 <phila> But... it's a wiki, it cna be changed over time if the Wg so decides of course

Phil Archer: But... it's a wiki, it can be changed over time if the Wg so decides of course

17:14:30 <CarlosIglesias> yep but you can recommend BPs that are useful for the web but also for other means as well, not necessarily unique for the Web, no?

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: yep but you can recommend BPs that are useful for the web but also for other means as well, not necessarily unique for the Web, no?

17:14:33 <jtandy> s/cna/can/
17:15:03 <Jeni Tennison> phila: it could end up that under each best practice we have a line that says ‘how this encourages reuse’

Phil Archer: it could end up that under each best practice we have a line that says ‘how this encourages reuse’

17:15:12 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: we have a scope section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a scope section

17:15:31 <Jeni Tennison> … but yes, for each best practice

… but yes, for each best practice

17:16:00 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: also the first question, we have to justify against these criteria

Carlos Laufer: also the first question, we have to justify against these criteria

17:16:09 <hadleybeeman> @CarlosIglesias: We are trying to agree our scope, so that when someone suggests "We should include [a new topic]!", we can say "yes, it's in scope" or "no, it's not"

Hadley Beeman: @CarlosIglesias: We are trying to agree our scope, so that when someone suggests "We should include [a new topic]!", we can say "yes, it's in scope" or "no, it's not"

17:16:17 <Jeni Tennison> phila: one of the questions about the first one is whether the key word is ‘data’ or ‘web’

Phil Archer: one of the questions about the first one is whether the key word is ‘data’ or ‘web’

17:16:25 <ericstephan> We are talking about the second question about reuse of data on the web @Caroline

Eric Stephan: We are talking about the second question about reuse of data on the web @Caroline

17:16:48 <Jeni Tennison> … ie is it about uniqueness wrt publishing data rather than documents, or wrt to publishing on the web rather than through other means

… ie is it about uniqueness wrt publishing data rather than documents, or wrt to publishing on the web rather than through other means

17:16:51 <Jeni Tennison> Jeni Tennison: both

Jeni Tennison: both

17:16:57 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:17:08 <Jeni Tennison> phila: as well as resolving these, track an issue of them

Phil Archer: as well as resolving these, track an issue of them

17:17:19 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: I think we shouldn’t talk too much longer on this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we shouldn’t talk too much longer on this

17:17:23 <Jeni Tennison> ack jtandy

ack jtandy

17:17:23 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask if we should review these scoping points against the charter ... is there anything we won't now deliver?

Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to ask if we should review these scoping points against the charter ... is there anything we won't now deliver?

17:17:25 <hadleybeeman> ack jt

Hadley Beeman: ack jt

17:17:48 <Jeni Tennison> jtandy: once we’ve agreed these, maybe go through the charter and see if there’s anything that won’t then be delivered

Jeremy Tandy: once we’ve agreed these, maybe go through the charter and see if there’s anything that won’t then be delivered

17:18:02 <hadleybeeman> action: Hadley to check the scoping criteria against the deliverables/commitments in our charter

ACTION: Hadley to check the scoping criteria against the deliverables/commitments in our charter

17:18:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Check the scoping criteria against the deliverables/commitments in our charter [on Hadley Beeman - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-113 - Check the scoping criteria against the deliverables/commitments in our charter [on Hadley Beeman - due 2014-11-07].

17:18:07 <nathalia> It's confused for remote participants

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: It's confused for remote participants

17:18:24 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: publishing data documents that I create & give to someone vs just publishing data

Bernadette Farias Loscio: publishing data documents that I create & give to someone vs just publishing data

17:18:24 <hadleybeeman> ack b

Hadley Beeman: ack b

17:18:38 <Jeni Tennison> … just publishing on the web might be documents. They have to be together: “data on the web”

… just publishing on the web might be documents. They have to be together: “data on the web”

17:19:17 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

PROPOSED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

17:19:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:19:21 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

17:19:22 <jtandy> +1 (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer)

17:19:28 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:19:29 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:19:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:19:33 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

17:19:37 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:19:38 <phila> We've been discussing your point, Carlos. Consensus is that both data and Web are keywords in that statement

Phil Archer: We've been discussing your point, Carlos. Consensus is that both data and Web are keywords in that statement

17:19:39 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:19:41 <Jeni Tennison> +1 (observer)

+1 (observer)

17:19:42 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:19:47 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

17:19:54 <BernadetteLoscio> isso servira +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: isso servira +1

17:20:05 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

17:20:06 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

17:20:23 <Jeni Tennison> RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

17:20:29 <CarlosIglesias> completely agree, my concern is with unique, not any other keyword

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: completely agree, my concern is with unique, not any other keyword

17:20:39 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse of data on the Web?”?

PROPOSED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse of data on the Web?”?

17:20:43 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

17:20:49 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:20:52 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

17:20:56 <Jeni Tennison> +1 (observer)

+1 (observer)

17:20:56 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:20:57 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:20:58 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:20:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:21:00 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

17:21:01 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

17:21:02 <jtandy> +1

Jeremy Tandy: +1

17:21:02 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:21:07 <jtandy> (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: (observer)

17:21:10 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

17:21:25 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:21:32 <flavio> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

17:21:42 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: it should be both publishing and reuse

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it should be both publishing and reuse

17:21:55 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: laufer suggested focusing on reuse

Hadley Beeman: laufer suggested focusing on reuse

17:22:01 <Jeni Tennison> phila: publishing is in the first one

Phil Archer: publishing is in the first one

17:22:18 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: the first one is focusing on data on the web, not other contexts

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the first one is focusing on data on the web, not other contexts

17:22:25 <Jeni Tennison> … that was the main reason rather than publishing

… that was the main reason rather than publishing

17:22:40 <Jeni Tennison> … we are proposing for data on the web, but people can use in other contexts

… we are proposing for data on the web, but people can use in other contexts

17:23:17 <Jeni Tennison> … CarlosIglesias was concerned about the ‘unique’: it doesn’t mean it can’t be used in other contexts

… CarlosIglesias was concerned about the ‘unique’: it doesn’t mean it can’t be used in other contexts

17:23:35 <EricKauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

17:23:51 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: the second one, it should be together ‘publish’ and ‘reuse’

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the second one, it should be together ‘publish’ and ‘reuse’

17:23:58 <CarlosIglesias> then it is perfectly ok for me, but don't understand why the unique is there

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: then it is perfectly ok for me, but don't understand why the unique is there

17:24:03 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

17:24:04 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: “encouraging people to publish and reuse”?

Eric Stephan: “encouraging people to publish and reuse”?

17:24:13 <Jeni Tennison> BernadetteLoscio: yes, because we’re trying to help people to do both

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes, because we’re trying to help people to do both

17:24:28 <Jeni Tennison> laufer: I think we argue, we’ll talk about this for hours, so I accept

Carlos Laufer: I think we argue, we’ll talk about this for hours, so I accept

17:24:40 <Jeni Tennison> … the same thing can encourage use and discourage publication

… the same thing can encourage use and discourage publication

17:24:46 <Jeni Tennison> … because it’s difficult to publish

… because it’s difficult to publish

17:25:18 <Jeni Tennison> … to me you have to split into two: encourage publish yes, encourage reuse too

… to me you have to split into two: encourage publish yes, encourage reuse too

17:25:59 <hadleybeeman> ack j

Hadley Beeman: ack j

17:26:04 <Jeni Tennison> hadleybeeman: “does it encourage reuse or publication…”

Hadley Beeman: “does it encourage reuse or publication…”

17:26:15 <Jeni Tennison> jtandy: yesterday we talked about eg common vocabularies

Jeremy Tandy: yesterday we talked about eg common vocabularies

17:26:22 <Jeni Tennison> … doesn’t encourage reuse, but helps publishers

… doesn’t encourage reuse, but helps publishers

17:26:26 <Jeni Tennison> … I think they are separate

… I think they are separate

17:26:35 <Jeni Tennison> ericstephan: so ‘or’ works

Eric Stephan: so ‘or’ works

17:27:04 <ericstephan> Yes GO!

Eric Stephan: Yes GO!

17:27:10 <yaso> y

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Unknown yaso: y

17:27:11 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”?

PROPOSED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”?

17:27:26 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

17:27:26 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

17:27:27 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:27:28 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

17:27:38 <ericstephan> +1 to 00 01 10 11

Eric Stephan: +1 to 00 01 10 11

17:27:59 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:28:00 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

17:28:04 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:28:04 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

17:28:07 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:28:08 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:28:08 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:28:13 <Jeni Tennison> +1 (to 01 10 11, as observer)

+1 (to 01 10 11, as observer)

17:28:17 <jtandy> +1 (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer)

17:28:24 <newton> +01

Newton Calegari: +01

17:28:39 <Jeni Tennison> RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”?

17:29:02 <nathalia> I like too

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I like too

17:29:04 <Jeni Tennison> PROPOSAL: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”?

PROPOSED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”?

17:29:09 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:29:14 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

17:29:15 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:29:17 <EricKauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

17:29:18 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

17:29:19 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

17:29:22 <Jeni Tennison> phila: testable but not necessarily machine testable

Phil Archer: testable but not necessarily machine testable

17:29:30 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:29:31 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

17:29:33 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:29:35 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:29:35 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:29:39 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

17:29:40 <Jeni Tennison> +1 (observer)

+1 (observer)

17:29:41 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

17:29:50 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:29:54 <jtandy> 0 ... testable to be included in the REC

Jeremy Tandy: 0 ... testable to be included in the REC

17:29:59 <Jeni Tennison> RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”?

17:30:05 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

17:30:10 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer

17:30:10 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T17-30-10

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T17-30-10

17:30:37 <Jeni Tennison> ScribeNick: fjh

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17:32:04 <nathalia> what is happening now?

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: what is happening now?

17:32:13 <yaso> we’re taking a break

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Unknown yaso: we’re taking a break

17:32:14 <Ig_Bittencourt> nathalia: break

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: break [ Scribe Assist by Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto ]

17:32:14 <nathalia> ok

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok

17:32:27 <yaso> 10 minutes for coffee, Nathalia o/

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Unknown yaso: 10 minutes for coffee, Nathalia o/

17:32:41 <nathalia> ok

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok

17:33:17 <Zakim> -Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: -Caroline

17:48:00 <Zakim> +Caroline

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17:48:11 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

17:49:44 <fjh> Topic: Best Practices Table of Contents

2. Best Practices Table of Contents

17:49:50 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
17:49:55 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

17:50:05 <fjh> jeremy is chairing

jeremy is chairing

17:50:27 <jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Table_of_Contents_DWBP

Jeremy Tandy: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Table_of_Contents_DWBP

17:50:37 <newton> @fjh this is the link: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

Newton Calegari: @fjh this is the link: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

17:50:49 <newton> @jtandy was faster than me

Newton Calegari: @jtandy was faster than me

17:51:18 <Caroline> Zakim, has nathalia

Caroline Burle: Zakim, has nathalia

17:51:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'has nathalia', Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'has nathalia', Caroline

17:51:31 <Caroline> Zakim, Carloine has nathalia

Caroline Burle: Zakim, Carloine has nathalia

17:51:31 <Zakim> sorry, Caroline, I do not recognize a party named 'Carloine'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Caroline, I do not recognize a party named 'Carloine'

17:51:40 <Caroline> Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

Caroline Burle: Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

17:51:40 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nathalia; got it

17:52:19 <nathalia> hello again.

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: hello again.

17:52:25 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure

17:53:42 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: will proposal for table of oontents for best practices doc, audience,  acope, backghround

Bernadette Farias Loscio: will proposal for table of oontents for best practices doc, audience, acope, backghround

17:53:48 <fjh> … scope section important

… scope section important

17:53:52 <fjh> … need to work on audience

… need to work on audience

17:53:59 <fjh> … and context

… and context

17:54:13 <fjh> … these are non-normative sections

… these are non-normative sections

17:54:33 <Caroline> the link for the Proposed Structure with the Table of Contents is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

Caroline Burle: the link for the Proposed Structure with the Table of Contents is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

17:54:40 <fjh> … lifecycle discussed in last F2F

… lifecycle discussed in last F2F

17:55:15 <fjh> … can change all of this

… can change all of this

17:55:42 <fjh> … themes section, to organize best practices themselves

… themes section, to organize best practices themselves

17:55:49 <fjh> 1.5.1 Data Selection

1.5.1 Data Selection

17:55:49 <fjh> 1.5.2 Data Organization

1.5.2 Data Organization

17:55:51 <fjh> 1.5.3 Data Publication

1.5.3 Data Publication

17:55:52 <fjh> 1.5.4 Data usage

1.5.4 Data usage

17:55:52 <fjh> 1.5.5 Feedback(?)

1.5.5 Feedback(?)

17:56:04 <fjh> … each section will have challenges based on use case documents

… each section will have challenges based on use case document

17:56:09 <fjh> s/ments/ment/
17:56:36 <jtandy> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html#requirements-by-challenge

Jeremy Tandy: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html#requirements-by-challenge

17:57:06 <fjh> … challenges need to be grouped into appropriate sections

… challenges need to be grouped into appropriate sections

17:57:44 <fjh> … e.g. types of metadata

… e.g. types of metadata

17:58:13 <fjh> … note that we have many requirements of form, ABC is available, meaning that the metadata is available

… note that we have many requirements of form, ABC is available, meaning that the metadata is available

17:58:25 <fjh> … propose to have metadata section for this

… propose to have metadata section for this

17:58:46 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

17:58:49 <fjh> .q?

.q?

17:58:52 <fjh> q?

q?

17:58:53 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:59:01 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:59:03 <fjh> q+

q+

18:00:03 <jtandy> frederik (fjh)

Jeremy Tandy: frederik (fjh)

18:00:04 <fjh> fjh: i see, metadata section is in Data organization section

Frederick Hirsch: i see, metadata section is in Data organization section

18:00:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> Caroline: That was fjh

Caroline Burle: That was fjh [ Scribe Assist by Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto ]

18:00:13 <jtandy> ack ericstephan

Jeremy Tandy: ack ericstephan

18:00:50 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:00:56 <fjh> q-

q-

18:02:05 <phila> issue: Do we include versioning in the BP doc? Currently there are no use cases for it

ISSUE: Do we include versioning in the BP doc? Currently there are no use cases for it

18:02:05 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-69 - Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-69 - Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69/edit>.

18:02:11 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: data enrichment is a challenge, how consumer can encrich data before using it

Bernadette Farias Loscio: data enrichment is a challenge, how consumer can encrich data before using it

18:02:21 <fjh> … how to add value to data before using it

… how to add value to data before using it

18:02:25 <phila> issue: Should we include data enrichment in the BP doc? Currently there are no use cases for it

ISSUE: Should we include data enrichment in the BP doc? Currently there are no use cases for it

18:02:25 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-70 - Should we include data enrichment in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/70/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-70 - Should we include data enrichment in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/70/edit>.

18:02:29 <fjh> sounds like annotations might be relevant here

sounds like annotations might be relevant here

18:02:32 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?

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18:02:32 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-02-32

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18:02:42 <laufer> q?

Carlos Laufer: q?

18:02:42 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

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18:02:54 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

18:03:12 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:03:24 <fjh> discussion about issue numbers

discussion about issue numbers

18:03:38 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

18:03:40 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html#UC-FeedbackLoopforCorrections

Phil Archer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html#UC-FeedbackLoopforCorrections

18:03:41 <jtandy> q-

Jeremy Tandy: q-

18:04:22 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: dont have use case for feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: dont have use case for feedback

18:04:29 <fjh> phila: yes we have one or two

Phil Archer: yes we have one or two

18:04:46 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

18:05:10 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: proposal to organize lifecycle

Bernadette Farias Loscio: proposal to organize lifecycle

18:05:17 <phila> issue: We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at TPAC

ISSUE: We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at TPAC

18:05:18 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-71 - We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at tpac.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/71/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-71 - We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at tpac. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/71/edit>.

18:05:26 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?

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18:05:26 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-05-26

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18:05:57 <phila> The feedback section in the structure is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

Phil Archer: The feedback section in the structure is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

18:06:27 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

18:06:45 <Caroline> Feedback(?)      Data usage feedback     Data to be published     Lifecycle

Caroline Burle: Feedback(?) Data usage feedback Data to be published Lifecycle

18:06:55 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public

18:07:00 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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18:08:02 <fjh> laufer: useful to have use case about data enrichment

Carlos Laufer: useful to have use case about data enrichment

18:08:43 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:08:52 <jtandy> ack laufer

Jeremy Tandy: ack laufer

18:09:19 <jtandy> @Caroline ... coming to you next on the queue\

Jeremy Tandy: @Caroline ... coming to you next on the queue\

18:09:19 <phila> issue: Is data enrichment in scope for DWBP?

ISSUE: Is data enrichment in scope for DWBP?

18:09:20 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-72 - Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-72 - Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72/edit>.

18:09:24 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, pointer?

18:09:25 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-09-24

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-09-24

18:10:04 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:10:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Sorry I have to leave, enjoy the rest of discussion, Bye!

Riccardo Albertoni: Sorry I have to leave, enjoy the rest of discussion, Bye!

18:10:31 <fjh> ???: data ingegration, segmentation , categorization all matter

Adriano Pereira: data integration, segmentation , categorization all matter

18:10:37 <yaso> Bye Riccardo!

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18:10:39 <Caroline> q-

Caroline Burle: q-

18:10:39 <fjh> s/ingegration/integration/
18:10:47 <yaso> Thanks for participating

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Unknown yaso: Thanks for participating

18:10:49 <jtandy> fjh .... this is AdrianoC

Jeremy Tandy: fjh .... this is AdrianoC

18:11:02 <fjh> s/???/AdrianoC/
18:11:07 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

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18:11:18 <BernadetteLoscio> AdrianoC is speaking

Bernadette Farias Loscio: AdrianoC is speaking

18:11:46 <fjh> AdrianoC: can encrich data like use case ??

Adriano Pereira: can encrich data like use case ??

18:11:52 <phila_> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_fever Dengue Fever reference

Phil Archer: -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_fever Dengue Fever reference

18:12:13 <fjh> … data consumption side can use encriched data after aggregating with meta data

… data consumption side can use encriched data after aggregating with meta data

18:12:29 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:12:36 <fjh> … working to formalize, looking for ideas from group

… working to formalize, looking for ideas from group

18:12:44 <fjh> q?

q?

18:12:51 <jtandy> ack Caroline

Jeremy Tandy: ack Caroline

18:13:18 <jtandy> ack laufer

Jeremy Tandy: ack laufer

18:13:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:13:38 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

18:13:45 <fjh> laufer: concerned if encrichment is embedded in app, don’t have linked data yet

Carlos Laufer: concerned if encrichment is embedded in app, don’t have linked data yet

18:13:58 <fjh> … need to consider layering

… need to consider layering

18:13:59 <phila_> q+ to talk about data enrichment at chairs' discretion. (I have raised the issue in tracker already)

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about data enrichment at chairs' discretion. (I have raised the issue in tracker already)

18:14:19 <AdrianoC> q+

Adriano Pereira: q+

18:14:29 <jtandy> ack BernadetteLoscio

Jeremy Tandy: ack BernadetteLoscio

18:14:47 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: propose use case then requirements, then decide on scope

Bernadette Farias Loscio: propose use case then requirements, then decide on scope

18:15:02 <fjh> … hard to talk about this stuff

… hard to talk about this stuff

18:15:07 <phila_> issue-72?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-72?

18:15:07 <trackbot> issue-72 -- Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-72 -- Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp? -- raised

18:15:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

18:15:18 <fjh> … we need concrete proposals

… we need concrete proposals

18:15:29 <phila_> q-

Phil Archer: q-

18:15:29 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:15:33 <fjh> jtandy: let's give an action to adrianoC

Jeremy Tandy: let's give an action to adrianoC

18:16:02 <fjh> jtandy: process of encrichment is out of our scope

Jeremy Tandy: process of encrichment is out of our scope

18:16:10 <jtandy> ack me

Jeremy Tandy: ack me

18:16:13 <fjh> ISSUE-72?

ISSUE-72?

18:16:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-72 -- Is data enrichment in scope for dwbp? -- raised

18:16:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

18:16:29 <phila_> action: Adrianoc to complete use case and requirements for data enrichment. Related to issue-72

ACTION: Adrianoc to complete use case and requirements for data enrichment. Related to ISSUE-72

18:16:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Complete use case and requirements for data enrichment. related to issue-72 [on Adriano Pereira - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - Complete use case and requirements for data enrichment. related to ISSUE-72 [on Adriano Pereira - due 2014-11-07].

18:16:40 <fjh> q?

q?

18:16:59 <jtandy> ack AdrianoC

Jeremy Tandy: ack AdrianoC

18:17:12 <fjh> AdrianoC: disagree with laufer

Adriano Pereira: disagree with laufer

18:17:44 <fjh> AdrianoC: data on web has many aspects

Adriano Pereira: data on web has many aspects

18:17:44 <phila_> q+ to make quick argument for enrichment

Phil Archer: q+ to make quick argument for enrichment

18:17:57 <fjh> … can address data enrichment later, lets defer

… can address data enrichment later, lets defer

18:18:20 <phila_> q-

Phil Archer: q-

18:18:35 <fjh> jtandy: outlines process to review use cases, requirements then make decision

Jeremy Tandy: outlines process to review use cases, requirements then make decision

18:18:42 <fjh> … we have way forward, so can move on

… we have way forward, so can move on

18:19:33 <fjh> … goals, common understanding of each section and secondly people should review sections and be prepared to contribute

… goals, common understanding of each section and secondly people should review sections and be prepared to contribute

18:20:07 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

18:20:15 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: on deliverable sections

Bernadette Farias Loscio: on deliverable sections

18:20:29 <fjh> … people have offered to contribute and are noted

… people have offered to contribute and are noted

18:20:40 <phila_> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:20:41 <fjh> jtandy: not all clear

Jeremy Tandy: not all clear

18:20:50 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: some from charter

Bernadette Farias Loscio: some from charter

18:20:54 <Caroline> +1 to understand what the sections are about!

Caroline Burle: +1 to understand what the sections are about!

18:21:11 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices (this is what we are looking at...

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices (this is what we are looking at...

18:21:14 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: no related between thsi and the challenge and the use case document

Bernadette Farias Loscio: no related between thsi and the challenge and the use case document

18:21:47 <Caroline> I suggest to also look at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

Caroline Burle: I suggest to also look at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

18:21:48 <fjh> jtandy: proposing to organize around challenges rather than chartered deliverables

Jeremy Tandy: proposing to organize around challenges rather than chartered deliverables

18:21:55 <phila_> Bernadette refers to the charter  technology-agnostic approach to cover aspects such as:

Phil Archer: Bernadette refers to the charter technology-agnostic approach to cover aspects such as:

18:22:34 <fjh> fjh: to rephrase - no clear linkage between charter and challenge/use case documents

Frederick Hirsch: to rephrase - no clear linkage between charter and challenge/use case documents

18:22:51 <fjh> phila: this is ok, charter leaves room to the WG

Phil Archer: this is ok, charter leaves room to the WG

18:23:06 <fjh> jtandy: can we agree to organize doc around challenges

Jeremy Tandy: can we agree to organize doc around challenges

18:23:16 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:23:30 <fjh> hadleybeeman: we need more infomration to comment

Hadley Beeman: we need more infomration to comment

18:23:30 <jtandy> ack phila_

Jeremy Tandy: ack phila_

18:23:51 <fjh> phila: this is very helpful progress, especially since we are reflecting use cases

Phil Archer: this is very helpful progress, especially since we are reflecting use cases

18:24:01 <fjh> … afraid…

18:24:15 <fjh> … we updated use cases, so you are going to have to update this table of contents

… we updated use cases, so you are going to have to update this table of contents

18:24:20 <fjh> s/afraid…//
18:24:31 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: we can adjuct

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can adjust

18:24:35 <fjh> s/juct/just/
18:24:56 <fjh> pjhila: discvoery metadata vs content metatdata is one example to think about

Phil Archer: discvoery metadata vs content metadata is one example to think about

18:25:05 <fjh> s/pjhila/phila/
18:25:12 <fjh> s/metat/meta/
18:25:22 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

18:25:47 <fjh> jtandy: what is useful of this structure is that it is tied to data lifecyle

Jeremy Tandy: what is useful of this structure is that it is tied to data lifecyle

18:25:57 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:25:58 <fjh> … despite use case changes the lifecycle will be stable so this is good

… despite use case changes the lifecycle will be stable so this is good

18:26:01 <fjh> ack jtandy

ack jtandy

18:26:03 <jtandy> ack me

Jeremy Tandy: ack me

18:26:15 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: one use case could span entire lifecycle

Bernadette Farias Loscio: one use case could span entire lifecycle

18:26:57 <fjh> phila: +1 to using lifecycle

Phil Archer: +1 to using lifecycle

18:27:03 <jtandy> @Caroline ... just giving hadley some time off!

Jeremy Tandy: @Caroline ... just giving hadley some time off!

18:27:43 <fjh> … editorial framework is helpful

… editorial framework is helpful

18:28:07 <fjh> … are we sure we want to lose some requirements, Shakespeare wrote something that says we need a plan

… are we sure we want to lose some requirements, Shakespeare wrote something that says we need a plan

18:28:33 <fjh> … need backing from higher level management

… need backing from higher level management

18:28:53 <fjh> s/Shakespeare….//

s/Shakespeare….// (warning: replacement failed)

18:29:09 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:29:14 <jtandy> ack phila

Jeremy Tandy: ack phila

18:29:26 <hadleybeeman> q+ to question the wisdom of keeping the policy stuff

Hadley Beeman: q+ to question the wisdom of keeping the policy stuff

18:29:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:30:03 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:30:15 <fjh> phila: we should still have a top level non-normative policy section both to give advice and to enable buy in

Phil Archer: we should still have a top level non-normative policy section both to give advice and to enable buy in

18:30:30 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:30:35 <jtandy> ack hadleybeeman

Jeremy Tandy: ack hadleybeeman

18:30:35 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to question the wisdom of keeping the policy stuff

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to question the wisdom of keeping the policy stuff

18:30:45 <nathalia> I'm not understanding the disccusion. Is it about?

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I'm not understanding the disccusion. Is it about?

18:30:49 <fjh> hadleybeeman: disagree, thinking about other web standards like HTML, CSS etc

Hadley Beeman: disagree, thinking about other web standards like HTML, CSS etc

18:31:07 <fjh> … did not have to explain how to maintain web pages

… did not have to explain how to maintain web pages

18:31:33 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:31:41 <fjh> … important aspects may not need to be W3C items

… important aspects may not need to be W3C items

18:31:43 <jtandy> ack BernadetteLoscio

Jeremy Tandy: ack BernadetteLoscio

18:31:51 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: need to define audience of this document

Bernadette Farias Loscio: need to define audience of this document

18:31:57 <Caroline> +1 to define the audience!

Caroline Burle: +1 to define the audience!

18:32:05 <fjh> hadleybeeman: agree

Hadley Beeman: agree

18:32:20 <nathalia> +1 to Bernadette

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 to Bernadette

18:32:29 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:32:41 <yaso> yaso

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Unknown yaso: yaso

18:32:45 <yaso> ops

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Unknown yaso: ops

18:32:46 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: need to be clear on what to focus on , technical, non technical etc

Bernadette Farias Loscio: need to be clear on what to focus on , technical, non technical etc

18:32:47 <yaso> q+

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Unknown yaso: q+

18:32:48 <jtandy> ack ericstephan

Jeremy Tandy: ack ericstephan

18:33:07 <phila> issue: What exactly is the audience for the BP doc?

ISSUE: What exactly is the audience for the BP doc?

18:33:07 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-73 - What exactly is the audience for the bp doc?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-73 - What exactly is the audience for the bp doc?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73/edit>.

18:33:08 <fjh> yaso: we are at a very high level, could add lots of non-normative text

Eric Stephan: we are at a very high level, could add lots of non-normative text

18:33:10 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, pointer?

18:33:10 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-33-10

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-33-10

18:33:19 <fjh> … everything we do could have a motivation, or poicy behind it

… everything we do could have a motivation, or poicy behind it

18:33:24 <fjh> … agree with Phil

… agree with Phil

18:33:25 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:33:31 <fjh> ack yaso

ack ericstephan

18:33:46 <fjh> … climate data has birth of the data stream

… climate data has birth of the data stream

18:33:53 <Caroline> s/yaso/ericstephan/
18:34:07 <newton> s/yaso: we are/ericstephan: we are/
18:34:10 <fjh> … community defines  policy

… community defines policy

18:35:01 <fjh> yaso: are two audiences, technical and policy

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Unknown yaso: are two audiences, technical and policy

18:35:18 <phila> issue: Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the BP doc

ISSUE: Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the BP doc

18:35:18 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-74 - Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74/edit>.

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18:35:34 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:35:43 <fjh> yaso: should focus on technical audience

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Unknown yaso: should focus on technical audience

18:36:07 <fjh> jtandy: do we want proposal to focus on technical audience

Jeremy Tandy: do we want to make proposal to focus on technical audience

18:36:25 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, pointer?

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RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-irc#T18-36-25

18:36:26 <jtandy> proposal: the best practices document should focus on the technical audiaence

PROPOSED: the best practices document should focus on the technical audiaence

18:36:28 <fjh> s/we want/we want to make/
18:36:44 <yaso> Caroline, I said that I don’t see 2 diff audiences

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Unknown yaso: Caroline, I said that I don’t see 2 diff audiences

18:36:46 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:36:59 <yaso> for me, it’s always “technical” audience

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Unknown yaso: for me, it’s always “technical” audience

18:37:07 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

18:37:09 <nathalia> +1 to Yaso

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 to Yaso

18:37:11 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:37:22 <phila> ack laufer

Phil Archer: ack laufer

18:37:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:37:43 <fjh> laufer: roles define the audience

Carlos Laufer: roles define the audience

18:37:59 <fjh> … name of group has ‘best practices’ but for what

… name of group has ‘best practices’ but for what

18:38:11 <hadleybeeman> I'm wondering if we all have different ideas of what "best practices" mean

Hadley Beeman: I'm wondering if we all have different ideas of what "best practices" mean

18:38:11 <nathalia> now the sound is better

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: now the sound is better

18:38:12 <Vagner_Br> q+

Vagner Diniz: q+

18:38:18 <fjh> … can be about communiucation between publishers and consumers

… can be about communicationn between publishers and consumers

18:38:49 <nathalia> s/communiucatio/communication
18:39:03 <fjh> … not sure about CSV files

… not sure about CSV files

18:39:10 <nathalia> s/communiucation/communication/

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: s/communiucation/communication/ (warning: replacement failed)

18:39:15 <fjh> fjh: isn’t there a CSV on the web WG for that?

Frederick Hirsch: isn’t there a CSV on the web WG for that?

18:39:39 <phila> q+ to talk about 'difference' between BPs for publishing CSV and RDF

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about 'difference' between BPs for publishing CSV and RDF

18:39:47 <yaso> they are best practices for **publishing, using, reusing** data on the Web, aren’t they?

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Unknown yaso: they are best practices for **publishing, using, reusing** data on the Web, aren’t they?

18:39:50 <fjh> q+

q+

18:39:54 <fjh> q-

q-

18:39:56 <jtandy> ack BernadetteLoscio

Jeremy Tandy: ack BernadetteLoscio

18:39:58 <fjh> q+ to ask about usability

q+ to ask about usability

18:40:22 <nathalia> fjh You're welcome!

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: fjh You're welcome!

18:40:43 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: not just for developers, but also for non-technical people that are interested

Bernadette Farias Loscio: not just for developers, but also for non-technical people who are interested

18:40:50 <fjh> s/that/who
18:40:58 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

18:40:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

18:41:47 <Ig_Bittencourt> According to the charter:

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: According to the charter:

18:41:54 <jtandy> ack Vagner_Br

Jeremy Tandy: ack Vagner_Br

18:41:57 <Ig_Bittencourt> The mission of the Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group, part of the Data Activity, is:

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: The mission of the Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group, part of the Data Activity, is:

18:41:59 <fjh> … this is not just a technical work, for non-technical as well

… this is not just a technical work, for non-technical as well

18:42:27 <fjh> Vagner_Br: just because W3C doc does not mean obliged to be technial, see this

Vagner Diniz: just because W3C doc does not mean obliged to be technial, see this

18:42:34 <fjh> … W3C Note for policy making people: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/

… W3C Note for policy making people: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/

18:43:01 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+

18:43:04 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

18:43:22 <CarlosIglesias> remember the wcag? one of the most famous and widespread w3c documents

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: remember the wcag? one of the most famous and widespread w3c documents

18:43:23 <fjh> … we are only addressing technical people, given how we are writing this document

… we are only addressing technical people, given how we are writing this document

18:43:29 <CarlosIglesias> a guidelines one, not technical at all

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Unknown CarlosIglesias: a guidelines one, not technical at all

18:43:36 <jtandy> ack phila

Jeremy Tandy: ack phila

18:43:36 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about 'difference' between BPs for publishing CSV and RDF

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about 'difference' between BPs for publishing CSV and RDF

18:43:38 <yaso> +1 to Vagner

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Unknown yaso: +1 to Vagner

18:44:24 <fjh> phila: should stay abstract and not go into detail on CSV, say that it should be discoverable and reusable through metadata. Reference CSV WG for details

Phil Archer: should stay abstract and not go into detail on CSV, say that it should be discoverable and reusable through metadata. Reference CSV WG for details

18:44:37 <fjh> … on policy am persuaded by Hadley

… on policy am persuaded by Hadley

18:44:48 <fjh> … our audience is technical, that is what W3C is for

… our audience is technical, that is what W3C is for

18:45:09 <fjh> … “these are meant to be technical guidelines for those implementing a policy”\

… “these are meant to be technical guidelines for those implementing a policy"

18:45:11 <nathalia> +1 to phila

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 to phila

18:45:11 <ericstephan> +1 phila

Eric Stephan: +1 phila

18:45:13 <fjh> … leave the rest to them

… leave the rest to them

18:45:27 <fjh> s/policy”\/policy"/
18:45:36 <jtandy> ack fjh

Jeremy Tandy: ack fjh

18:45:37 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about usability

Zakim IRC Bot: fjh, you wanted to ask about usability

18:46:14 <jtandy> ack Ig_Bittencourt

Jeremy Tandy: ack Ig_Bittencourt

18:46:19 <fjh> fjh: we might want to consider usability somewhere

Frederick Hirsch: we might want to consider usability somewhere

18:46:33 <jtandy> ack hadleybeeman

Jeremy Tandy: ack hadleybeeman

18:46:45 <phila> present+ Nobuo Saito

Phil Archer: present+ Nobuo Saito

18:46:57 <phila> present+ Karen Myers

Phil Archer: present+ Karen Myers

18:47:08 <fjh> hadleybeeman: worried that policy will distract group and also consume time etc etc

Hadley Beeman: worried that policy will distract group and also consume time etc etc

18:47:15 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:47:21 <Ig_Bittencourt> I sad I agree with Vagner_Br about technical audience and it is clear in the charter (mission).

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I sad I agree with Vagner_Br about technical audience and it is clear in the charter (mission).

18:47:43 <fjh> … legal risks, ethical aspects, especially when international, this would be a huge job

… legal risks, ethical aspects, especially when international, this would be a huge job

18:47:46 <phila> Big +1 to Hadley on not trying to define global policy

Phil Archer: Big +1 to Hadley on not trying to define global policy

18:47:54 <ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman - just a mention that publication is motivated and dictated by policy is okay with me

Eric Stephan: +1 hadleybeeman - just a mention that publication is motivated and dictated by policy is okay with me

18:48:08 <Caroline> +1 to Vagner_Br Ig_Bittencourt and hadleybeeman

Caroline Burle: +1 to Vagner_Br Ig_Bittencourt and hadleybeeman

18:48:08 <fjh> i’m an observer, but Hadley is making a good point

i’m an observer, but Hadley is making a good point

18:48:11 <ericstephan> no additional details are needed

Eric Stephan: no additional details are needed

18:48:22 <EricKauz> q+

Eric Kauz: q+

18:48:44 <fjh> hadleybeeman: most policy wonks don’t understand technology, but we could make our documents useful and reassuring

Hadley Beeman: most policy wonks don’t understand technology, but we could make our documents useful and reassuring

18:48:52 <jtandy> ack EricKauz

Jeremy Tandy: ack EricKauz

18:48:53 <fjh> phila: +1

Phil Archer: +1

18:49:09 <fjh> EricKauz:  other groups are working in this space

Eric Kauz: other groups are working in this space

18:49:11 <nathalia> is it necessary to vote the audience point?

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: is it necessary to vote the audience point?

18:49:24 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

18:49:25 <fjh> jtandy: i hear strong support for technical focus

Jeremy Tandy: i hear strong support for technical focus

18:49:30 <fjh> … need a resolution

… need a resolution

18:49:42 <fjh> q?

q?

18:49:44 <nathalia> +1 to need a resolution

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 to need a resolution

18:49:53 <nathalia> and go on for next topic

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: and go on for next topic

18:50:10 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: focus of the DWBP document will be technical

proposed RESOLUTION: focus of the DWBP document will be technical

18:50:18 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

18:50:31 <phila> Working on this... The primary audience for our work is technical. That technical work should be in context

Phil Archer: Working on this... The primary audience for our work is technical. That technical work should be in context

18:50:51 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:51:04 <jtandy> ack Caroline

Jeremy Tandy: ack Caroline

18:51:28 <fjh> Caroline: need to understand audience

Caroline Burle: need to understand audience

18:52:05 <phila> PROPOSED: That the focus of our work is technical

PROPOSED: That the focus of our work is technical

18:52:09 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

18:52:11 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

18:52:11 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

18:52:12 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

18:52:12 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

18:52:13 <EricKauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

18:52:14 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

18:52:15 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

18:52:16 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

18:52:16 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

18:52:19 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

18:52:19 <phila> +1 (Welcome to W3C)

Phil Archer: +1 (Welcome to W3C)

18:52:26 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

18:52:27 <taisuke> +1

Taisuke Fukuno: +1

18:52:38 <phila> RESOLVED: That the focus of our work is technical

RESOLVED: That the focus of our work is technical

18:52:38 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

18:53:01 <Caroline> I am wondering if is it worth to discuss the audience and if it would be publishers and users

Caroline Burle: I am wondering if is it worth to discuss the audience and if it would be publishers and users

18:53:05 <fjh> jtandy: will the draft document structure work for technical audience

Jeremy Tandy: will the draft document structure work for technical audience

18:53:07 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes

18:53:21 <jtandy> @Caroline ... will come back to you question about publishers & users in a moment

Jeremy Tandy: @Caroline ... will come back to you question about publishers & users in a moment

18:53:24 <fjh> … will need to add some contact and descriptive non-normative material

… will need to add some contact and descriptive non-normative material

18:53:37 <Caroline> jtandy: thank you

Jeremy Tandy: thank you [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

18:53:58 <fjh> Present- Karen Myers

Present- Karen Myers

18:54:04 <fjh> Present+ Karen_Myers

Present+ Karen_Myers

18:54:05 <phila> It is an issue in te tracker, Caroline, see http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

Phil Archer: It is an issue in te tracker, Caroline, see http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

18:54:10 <nathalia> I think both publishers and users are technical audience

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I think both publishers and users are technical audience

18:54:17 <fjh> Present- Nobuo Saito

Present- Nobuo Saito

18:54:25 <fjh> Present+ Nobuo_Saito

Present+ Nobuo_Saito

18:54:38 <fjh> jtandy: caroline asked what is specific to publishers vs users

Jeremy Tandy: caroline asked what is specific to publishers vs users

18:54:47 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio:  tried this before, didn’t work

Bernadette Farias Loscio: tried this before, didn’t work

18:54:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to hadleybeeman

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to hadleybeeman

18:55:00 <fjh> … our focus is consumer

… our focus is consumer

18:55:04 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:55:08 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

18:55:16 <hadleybeeman> ack caro

Hadley Beeman: ack caro

18:55:16 <jtandy> ack Caroline

Jeremy Tandy: ack Caroline

18:55:45 <fjh> Caroline: need better explanation on feedback, not sure there was an agreement

Caroline Burle: need better explanation on feedback related to consumers and publishers, not sure there was an agreement

18:56:03 <fjh> s/feedback/feedback related to consumers and publishers/
18:56:04 <jtandy> ack laufer

Jeremy Tandy: ack laufer

18:56:06 <phila> issue-71?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-71?

18:56:06 <trackbot> issue-71 -- We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at tpac -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-71 -- We have use cases for feedback but is it in scope given the 3 aximoatic criteria resolved at tpac -- raised

18:56:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/71

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/71

18:56:26 <fjh> laufer: should refer to consumers not users

Carlos Laufer: should refer to consumers not users

18:56:51 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

18:56:59 <fjh> … defining interface between publishers and users and how to communicate the data that is shared

… defining interface between publishers and users and how to communicate the data that is shared

18:57:11 <nathalia> +1 to laufer

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 to laufer

18:57:31 <Caroline> what is the difference between consumers and users?

Caroline Burle: what is the difference between consumers and users?

18:57:34 <phila> ack jtandy

Phil Archer: ack jtandy

18:57:43 <fjh> … the best practice is for communicating information about the data

… the best practice is for communicating information about the data

18:57:43 <fjh> jtandy: this will not change the style of how we write the document

Jeremy Tandy: this will not change the style of how we write the document

18:57:43 <fjh> … so can defer

… so can defer

18:57:44 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

18:57:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to jtandy

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to jtandy

18:57:52 <fjh> laufer: publishers are also users

Carlos Laufer: publishers are also users

18:57:57 <Caroline> understood. Thank you!

Caroline Burle: understood. Thank you!

18:58:11 <BernadetteLoscio> ;)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ;)

18:58:37 <fjh> jtandy: BernadetteLoscio can you please summarize next steps for today so we can move this forward, today

Jeremy Tandy: BernadetteLoscio can you please summarize next steps for today so we can move this forward, today

18:59:30 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

19:00:23 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: 1. agreement from group that we can organize document around challenges from the use cases

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 1. agreement from group that we can organize document around challenges from the use cases

19:00:36 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio quesiton

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio quesiton

19:00:58 <fjh> … 2. need people to write material, need to assign action items

… 2. need people to write material, need to assign action items

19:01:04 <Caroline> s/quesiton\/question/

Caroline Burle: s/quesiton\/question/ (warning: replacement failed)

19:01:07 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

19:01:24 <Caroline> each theme or subject

Caroline Burle: each theme or subject

19:01:54 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio notes that doc has people noted

BernadetteLoscio notes that doc has people noted

19:02:34 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio is talking about the Maping of Themes: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

Caroline Burle: BernadetteLoscio is talking about the Maping of Themes: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Mapping_of_Themes.5B1.5D

19:02:35 <fjh> … data formats section is new, so need people for this

… data formats section is new, so need people for this

19:02:45 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

19:03:18 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: ?? missing use case

Bernadette Farias Loscio: some TBD notes indicate missing use cases

19:03:35 <fjh> s/??/some TBD notes indicate/
19:03:53 <fjh> s/case/cases/
19:03:58 <fjh> q?

q?

19:04:00 <Caroline> Would be great to have more people contributing where there are TBD

Caroline Burle: Would be great to have more people contributing where there are TBD

19:04:01 <fjh> q+

q+

19:04:04 <fjh> q-

q-

19:04:12 <fjh> q+ to ask about #3 of what to do today

q+ to ask about #3 of what to do today

19:04:44 <jtandy> ack phila

Jeremy Tandy: ack phila

19:04:46 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: if add challenges, need to add in more than one place

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if add challenges, need to add in more than one place

19:05:07 <fjh> phila: need to add an example of best practice

Phil Archer: need to add an example of best practice

19:05:18 <fjh> … may be we can do this during f2f

… may be we can do this during f2f

19:05:20 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:05:35 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

19:05:40 <fjh> … we can pick one that is easy

… we can pick one that is easy

19:05:56 <fjh> … makes it easier for people to contribute

… makes it easier for people to contribute

19:06:11 <fjh> BernadetteLoscio: we need short descriptions for everyhing

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need short descriptions for everyhing

19:06:37 <nathalia> a example will be good

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: a example will be good

19:06:46 <Caroline> +1 to have a short description of each theme for the contributor

Caroline Burle: +1 to have a short description of each theme for the contributor

19:06:47 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

19:06:51 <fjh> fjh: I note that ReSpec has some support for this, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-xmldsig-bestpractices-20130411/

Frederick Hirsch: I note that ReSpec has some support for this, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-xmldsig-bestpractices-20130411/

19:07:13 <nathalia> it will be clear to contribute

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: it will be clear to contribute

19:07:33 <jtandy> ack fjh

Jeremy Tandy: ack fjh

19:07:33 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about #3 of what to do today

Zakim IRC Bot: fjh, you wanted to ask about #3 of what to do today

19:08:24 <Ig_Bittencourt> The scructure of the XML Signature Best Practices is very interesting and split the best practices according to the user.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: The scructure of the XML Signature Best Practices is very interesting and split the best practices according to the user.

19:08:58 <jtandy> ack BernadetteLoscio

Jeremy Tandy: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:08:59 <fjh> q?

q?

19:09:21 <fjh> jtandy: need volunteers to write tests for each best practices

Jeremy Tandy: need volunteers to write tests for each best practice

19:09:27 <fjh> s/practices/practice/
19:09:46 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

19:09:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

19:10:12 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

19:10:15 <jtandy> ack me

Jeremy Tandy: ack me

19:10:21 <jtandy> ack ericstephan

Jeremy Tandy: ack ericstephan

19:10:33 <fjh> jtandy: request that all think during lunch about volunteering and also specifically about what they need to understand

Jeremy Tandy: request that all think during lunch about volunteering and also specifically about what they need to understand

19:10:52 <Caroline> +1 to jtandy request

Caroline Burle: +1 to jtandy request

19:11:06 <fjh> ericstephan:  need to link table to use case rquirements

Eric Stephan: need to link table to use case requirements

19:11:17 <fjh> s/rquirements/requirements/
19:11:38 <hadleybeeman> BREAK FOR LUNCH: back in 1 hour

Hadley Beeman: BREAK FOR LUNCH: back in 1 hour

19:11:45 <fjh> jtandy: breaking for lunch, resuming 10 past 1pm PT

Jeremy Tandy: breaking for lunch, resuming 10 past 1pm PT

19:11:55 <nathalia> ok, thank you

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: ok, thank you

19:12:02 <fjh> rrrsagent, generate minutes

rrrsagent, generate minutes

19:12:15 <fjh> s/rrrs.*//

s/rrrs.*// (warning: replacement failed)

19:12:18 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

19:12:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html fjh

19:13:15 <Zakim> -Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: -Caroline

19:23:30 <phila_> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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20:20:03 <Caroline> Hello! Should we call already?

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20:21:27 <hadleybeeman> hi! We're gathering people in the room.  Will be there soon

Hadley Beeman: hi! We're gathering people in the room. Will be there soon

20:21:31 <hadleybeeman> ^ Caroline

Hadley Beeman: ^ Caroline

20:22:49 <Caroline> thank you, hadleybeeman!

Caroline Burle: thank you, hadleybeeman!

20:23:54 <Zakim> +Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline

20:24:20 <hadleybeeman>  zakim, call salonA

Hadley Beeman: zakim, call salonA

20:24:20 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman; the call is being made

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20:24:21 <Zakim> +SalonA

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20:24:36 <hadleybeeman>  zakim, call salonA

Hadley Beeman: zakim, call salonA

20:24:36 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman; the call is being made

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20:24:38 <Zakim> +SalonA

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Zakim IRC Bot: -SalonA

20:25:23 <Caroline> Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

Caroline Burle: Zakim, Caroline has nathalia

20:25:23 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nathalia; got it

20:31:30 <nathalia> kkkkkkk

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Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: kkkkkkk

20:31:46 <nathalia> it's really you

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: it's really you

20:32:59 <newton> scribe: newton

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20:33:54 <phila_> scribe: Newton
20:33:57 <phila_> chair: yaso

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20:34:10 <yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

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Unknown yaso_: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

20:34:30 <newton> yaso: we accepeted the proposed structure

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Unknown yaso: we accepeted the proposed structure

20:34:36 <phila_> q+

Phil Archer: q+

20:34:37 <yaso_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

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Unknown yaso_: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

20:34:40 <yaso_> ack phil

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Unknown yaso_: ack phil

20:35:30 <newton> phila_: it helps to clarify things about bps doc

Phil Archer: it helps to clarify things about bps doc

20:35:55 <newton> ... showing a propose page for describe each BP

... showing a propose page for describe each BP

20:36:22 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

20:36:32 <newton> ... with the following structure: BP Title, What, How, Why, How to Test and Evidence

... with the following structure: BP Title, What, How, Why, How to Test and Evidence

20:36:55 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

20:36:58 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

20:37:11 <ericstephan_> +1 phil a can we propose to use this template approach?

Eric Stephan: +1 phil a can we propose to use this template approach?

20:37:16 <ericstephan_> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

20:37:41 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to phila_

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to phila_

20:37:42 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

20:37:44 <newton> +1 for that

+1 for that

20:37:55 <yaso> ack jtandy

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Unknown yaso: ack jtandy

20:40:20 <newton> jtandy: the  WCAG has a kind of guide to test BPs using timestamps

Jeremy Tandy: the WCAG has a kind of guide to test BPs using timestamps

20:40:32 <newton> ... (?)

... (?)

20:40:41 <jtandy> q?

Jeremy Tandy: q?

20:40:47 <Caroline> we cannot here anything

Caroline Burle: we cannot here anything

20:40:51 <Caroline> back now!

Caroline Burle: back now!

20:41:25 <newton> jtandy: the WCAG have an example of how to test and actions for someone to validate that

Jeremy Tandy: the WCAG have an example of how to test and actions for someone to validate that

20:41:35 <ericstephan_> caroline you can't hear anything?

Eric Stephan: caroline you can't hear anything?

20:41:54 <Ig_Bittencourt> jtandy told that you way to approach in the BP document is that in spite of tell how we could describe what is the intended outcome.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: jtandy told that you way to approach in the BP document is that in spite of tell how we could describe what is the intended outcome.

20:41:59 <nathalia> I think it would be cool to each best practice to indicate which use case inspired

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I think it would be cool to each best practice to indicate which use case inspired

20:42:07 <Caroline> it was mute for a while, ericstephan_

Caroline Burle: it was mute for a while, ericstephan_

20:42:12 <Caroline> now it is back, thank you!

Caroline Burle: now it is back, thank a!

20:42:13 <Ig_Bittencourt> s/you/a
20:43:29 <yaso> action: ericstephan to investigate how WCAG can be an example for our BP document

ACTION: ericstephan to investigate how WCAG can be an example for our BP document

20:43:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Investigate how wcag can be an example for our bp document [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Investigate how wcag can be an example for our bp document [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-11-07].

20:43:39 <yaso> ack ericstephan

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Unknown yaso: ack ericstephan

20:44:26 <newton> ericstephan_: I liked this ideia of template

Eric Stephan: I liked this idea of template

20:44:40 <newton> ... you can know what is the BP, how it's related to requirements

... you can know what is the BP, how it's related to requirements

20:44:50 <jtandy> s/ideia/idea/
20:44:53 <ericstephan_> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-xmldsig-bestpractices-20130411/#denial-of-service

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-xmldsig-bestpractices-20130411/#denial-of-service

20:45:09 <hadleybeeman> @ericstephan is referring to the template phil has produced

Hadley Beeman: @ericstephan is referring to the template phil has produced

20:45:27 <phila_> For Caroline, you can see the template we're talking about at http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

Phil Archer: For Caroline, you can see the template we're talking about at http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

20:45:42 <phila_> This is not a persistent URI

Phil Archer: This is not a persistent URI

20:45:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:45:51 <newton> ... the other thing the XML bp wg have examples

... the other thing the XML bp wg have examples

20:46:08 <yaso> ack bernadetteLoscio

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20:46:13 <nathalia> q+

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: q+

20:46:14 <Caroline> thank you, phila_

Caroline Burle: thank you, phila_

20:46:26 <jtandy> q+

Jeremy Tandy: q+

20:46:26 <yaso> q+

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20:46:29 <yaso> q-

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20:46:30 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: On XML document  has a lot of examples that we could keep in mind

Bernadette Farias Loscio: On XML document has a lot of examples that we could keep in mind

20:46:44 <fjh_> Here is the information on adding best practices using ReSpec http://www.w3.org/respec/guide.html#best-practice-documents

Frederick Hirsch: Here is the information on adding best practices using ReSpec http://www.w3.org/respec/guide.html#best-practice-documents

20:47:28 <yaso> q?

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20:47:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:47:33 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

20:47:40 <yaso> ack nathalia

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Unknown yaso: ack nathalia

20:48:05 <nathalia> I think it would be cool to each best practice indicate which use case inspired the practice like I put in "Technical factors for consideration when choosing data sets for publication""

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I think it would be cool to each best practice indicate which use case inspired the practice like I put in "Technical factors for consideration when choosing data sets for publication""

20:48:07 <nathalia> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Technical_factors_for_consideration_when_choosing_data_sets_for_publication

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Technical_factors_for_consideration_when_choosing_data_sets_for_publication

20:48:35 <fjh> spec-prod is the W3C mailing list to discuss ReSpec features,  etc

Frederick Hirsch: spec-prod is the W3C mailing list to discuss ReSpec features, etc

20:48:54 <newton> nathalia: is showing how to match BP and requirements

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: is showing how to match BP and requirements

20:49:25 <fjh> om/w3c/respec

Frederick Hirsch: om/w3c/respec

20:49:26 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

20:49:27 <Caroline> +1 to phila_ http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

Caroline Burle: +1 to phila_ http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

20:49:35 <fjh> https://github.com/w3c/respec

Frederick Hirsch: https://github.com/w3c/respec

20:49:48 <newton> hadleybeeman: is there difference between an example and a use case?

Hadley Beeman: is there difference between an example and a use case?

20:50:26 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: yes, the example is to illustrate the specific case of BP, not whole scenario

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes, the example is to illustrate the specific case of BP, not whole scenario

20:50:31 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

20:50:56 <yaso> ack jtandy

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Unknown yaso: ack jtandy

20:51:53 <newton> jtandy: if you're going to include URIs to show those examples...

Jeremy Tandy: if you're going to include URIs to show those examples...

20:52:56 <newton> hadleybeeman: what kind of examples are being suggest?

Hadley Beeman: what kind of examples are being suggest?

20:53:03 <yaso> ack bernadetteLoscio

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Unknown yaso: ack bernadetteLoscio

20:53:33 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: for each Req we're going to have a BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: for each Req we're going to have a BP

20:53:51 <newton> ... each Theme concerns for a lot of Requirements

... each Theme concerns for a lot of Requirements

20:54:02 <yaso> ack laufer

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Unknown yaso: ack laufer

20:54:07 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

20:54:10 <newton> ... as example of Metadata, it concerns about a lot of requirements

... as example of Metadata, it concerns about a lot of requirements

20:54:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

20:54:36 <hadleybeeman> q+ to ask a different question about how we make best practices

Hadley Beeman: q+ to ask a different question about how we make best practices

20:54:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

20:55:10 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me

20:55:10 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'

20:55:10 <newton> laufer: I didn't the template so well

Carlos Laufer: I didn't the template so well

20:55:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

20:55:39 <deirdrelee> zakim, [IPCaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPCaller] is me

20:55:39 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

20:55:42 <newton> ... why are we going to use this template

... why are we going to use this template

20:55:54 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

20:56:10 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

20:57:10 <yaso> ack Hadleybeeman

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Unknown yaso: ack Hadleybeeman

20:57:10 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask a different question about how we make best practices

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask a different question about how we make best practices

20:57:19 <newton> laufer: what is the reason to do a BP? It's to encourage a person to use that thing

Carlos Laufer: what is the reason to do a BP? It's to encourage a person to use that thing

20:58:12 <newton> hadleybeeman: I'm planning questions for you, editors...

Hadley Beeman: I'm planning questions for you, editors...

20:58:34 <newton> ... I like of the methodology of Proposed Structure has been done

... I like of the methodology of Proposed Structure has been done

20:59:03 <yaso> q+

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Unknown yaso: q+

20:59:15 <newton> ... the question is: how to take the conversation with Tomas (COMURI doc) and align that with this propose

... the question is: how to take the conversation with Tomas (COMURI doc) and align that with this propose

20:59:30 <yaso> ack me

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Unknown yaso: ack me

20:59:54 <phila_> q+

Phil Archer: q+

21:00:03 <newton> yaso: I was going to propose to put this document on github and open it

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Unknown yaso: I was going to propose to put this document on github and open it

21:00:14 <phila_> q-

Phil Archer: q-

21:00:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

21:00:16 <newton> ... I'm talking about COMURI

... I'm talking about COMURI

21:00:18 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:00:28 <yaso> ack bernadetteloscio

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Unknown yaso: ack bernadetteloscio

21:00:38 <newton> ... proposing to put it on github and make available to community

... proposing to put it on github and make available to community

21:00:50 <yaso> q+

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Unknown yaso: q+

21:00:55 <phila_> q+

Phil Archer: q+

21:00:59 <yaso> ack ericstephan

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Unknown yaso: ack ericstephan

21:01:12 <yaso> q-

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21:01:24 <yaso> ack phila_

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Unknown yaso: ack phila_

21:01:56 <newton> phila_: there are some elements that I agree with

Phil Archer: there are some elements that I agree with

21:03:19 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:03:22 <hadleybeeman> scribe: BernadetteLoscio

(Scribe set to Bernadette Farias Loscio)

21:04:04 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:04:28 <yaso> ack ericstephan

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Unknown yaso: ack ericstephan

21:04:39 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:04:40 <BernadetteLoscio> ericstephan: everyone is in the same rules

Eric Stephan: everyone is in the same rules

21:05:23 <phila_> q+

Phil Archer: q+

21:05:27 <BernadetteLoscio> yaso: should we make more clear about what to do about the doc of comuri

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Unknown yaso: should we make more clear about what to do about the doc of comuri

21:05:39 <BernadetteLoscio> ericstephan: i dont know if there is an action

Eric Stephan: i dont know if there is an action

21:05:53 <BernadetteLoscio> ...i think it is impoortante to have a template

...i think it is impoortante to have a template

21:05:55 <yaso> ack phila

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Unknown yaso: ack phila

21:06:03 <BernadetteLoscio> ...that we can use to build the best practices

...that we can use to build the best practices

21:06:25 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: the colors are not a proposal

Phil Archer: the colors are not a proposal

21:06:32 <BernadetteLoscio> ...the sections for the template are

...the sections for the template are

21:06:43 <BernadetteLoscio> ... an action that i cant take

... an action that i cant take

21:06:46 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

21:06:58 <BernadetteLoscio> is to create a template

is to create a template

21:07:39 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: theres is a reason to publish the comuri is a differente doc

Phil Archer: theres is a reason to publish the comuri is a differente doc

21:08:11 <hadleybeeman> q+ to suggest a vote on PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html (so that we have a record of the decision)

Hadley Beeman: q+ to suggest a vote on PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html (so that we have a record of the decision)

21:08:28 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: is carrasco follows the best practices then the doc can be published

Phil Archer: is carrasco follows the best practices then the doc can be published

21:08:40 <BernadetteLoscio> ...however if tit is not we shouldnt publish

...however if tit is not we shouldnt publish

21:08:46 <laufer> +1 to phil

Carlos Laufer: +1 to phil

21:08:52 <BernadetteLoscio> hadleybeeman: it is a working group decision

Hadley Beeman: it is a working group decision

21:09:03 <yaso> action: phila to develop into something that we can reuse and make more like a best practice

ACTION: phila to develop into something that we can reuse and make more like a best practice

21:09:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Develop into something that we can reuse and make more like a best practice [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Develop into something that we can reuse and make more like a best practice [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-07].

21:09:11 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

21:09:22 <BernadetteLoscio> ...there are two issues:one is the content and the second the separate doc and the format issue

...there are two issues:one is the content and the second the separate doc and the format issue

21:09:32 <BernadetteLoscio> ..if his proposal fits on our proposal

..if his proposal fits on our proposal

21:09:41 <BernadetteLoscio> ...we as a working group can make this decision

...we as a working group can make this decision

21:09:55 <BernadetteLoscio> ...in the meeting we came with this decision

...in the meeting we came with this decision

21:10:08 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:10:09 <BernadetteLoscio> ...i'm sorry he is not here, but i think it is not unfair

...i'm sorry he is not here, but i think it is not unfair

21:10:29 <BernadetteLoscio> laufer: we can extend this to all of the docs that we are creating

Carlos Laufer: we can extend this to all of the docs that we are creating

21:10:37 <yaso> ack fjh

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Unknown yaso: ack fjh

21:10:48 <Caroline> +1 to laufer

Caroline Burle: +1 to laufer

21:11:08 <BernadetteLoscio> fjh: so, im saying...i believe that in the best practices

Frederick Hirsch: so, im saying...i believe that in the best practices

21:11:26 <BernadetteLoscio> ...i just mention why to use the xml best practces security

...i just mention why to use the xml best practces security

21:11:58 <BernadetteLoscio> ... it is extremelly painful as an editor to keep changes of the changes in teh doc

... it is extremelly painful as an editor to keep changes of the changes in the doc

21:12:08 <yaso> s/teh/the
21:12:13 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:12:35 <yaso> +1 to fjh

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Unknown yaso: +1 to fjh

21:12:37 <BernadetteLoscio> ...the core reason is twofold: automatic generation is extremely valuable...

...the core reason is twofold: automatic generation is extremely valuable...

21:12:40 <jtandy> (fjh is talking about editing his doc in respec http://www.w3.org/respec/)

Jeremy Tandy: (fjh is talking about editing his doc in respec http://www.w3.org/respec/)

21:12:44 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:12:53 <yaso> ack HadleyBeeman

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Unknown yaso: ack HadleyBeeman

21:12:53 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest a vote on PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html (so that we have a record of the

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest a vote on PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html (so that we have a record of the

21:12:57 <Zakim> ... decision)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... decision)

21:13:18 <yaso> ack laufer

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Unknown yaso: ack laufer

21:13:26 <BernadetteLoscio> laufer: we need to discuss two things: the docs and the contents

Carlos Laufer: we need to discuss two things: the docs and the contents

21:13:41 <fjh> my key points - however you edit best practices, make sure you can automate numbering or it is painful as you add/remove/move practices. Also good to have a best practices index, a list of best practices linking to them

Frederick Hirsch: my key points - however you edit best practices, make sure you can automate numbering or it is painful as you add/remove/move practices. Also good to have a best practices index, a list of best practices linking to them

21:13:55 <BernadetteLoscio> ... i disagree with the doc and the content (about COMURI)

... i disagree with the doc and the content (about COMURI)

21:13:55 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion

Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion

21:14:07 <fjh> This can be automatically done in ReSpec, but let the ReSpec team know you are using the feature if you do!

Frederick Hirsch: This can be automatically done in ReSpec, but let the ReSpec team know you are using the feature if you do!

21:14:31 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:14:38 <BernadetteLoscio> ... we need to apporve the set of documents or section..and we have to vote if the best practices are according... the group should vote

... we need to apporve the set of documents or section..and we have to vote if the best practices are according... the group should vote

21:14:48 <yaso> PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

PROPOSED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

21:14:58 <BernadetteLoscio> hadleybeeman: we propose that all best practices will be in one doc, because it is easiers

Hadley Beeman: we propose that all best practices will be in one doc, because it is easiers

21:15:11 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

21:15:19 <BernadetteLoscio> and the second that each BP will use the structure that phil proposes

and the second that each BP will use the structure that phil proposes

21:15:21 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

21:15:22 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

21:15:23 <jtandy> +1 (observer)

Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer)

21:15:25 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

21:15:27 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

21:15:30 <Caroline> the link http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html is not working

Caroline Burle: the link http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html is not working

21:15:32 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

21:15:40 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

21:15:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

+1

21:15:50 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

21:15:52 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

21:15:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> +0 link is not working

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21:16:14 <ericstephan> well I agreed to the template at least ;-)

Eric Stephan: well I agreed to the template at least ;-)

21:16:23 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

21:16:24 <BernadetteLoscio> jtandy: there is a template that has to be followed

Jeremy Tandy: there is a template that has to be followed

21:16:53 <Caroline> +1 to the link that was working before! :)

Caroline Burle: +1 to the link that was working before! :)

21:17:01 <yaso> q?

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21:17:16 <BernadetteLoscio> RESOLVED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

RESOLVED: Each best practice will use this structure: http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html

21:17:25 <yaso> o/

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Unknown yaso: o/

21:17:27 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

PROPOSED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

21:17:44 <yaso> ack phila

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Unknown yaso: ack phila

21:17:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

21:18:03 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: i want to say somtehing... one of the reasons for supporing the proposal that we have

Phil Archer: i want to say somtehing... one of the reasons for supporing the proposal that we have

21:18:12 <BernadetteLoscio> ...we dont have a justification for a separate doc

...we dont have a justification for a separate doc

21:18:22 <BernadetteLoscio> ...the use cases dont show this evidence

...the use cases dont show this evidence

21:18:39 <Jeni Tennison> q+ to disagree that URI design isn’t a big issue

Jeni Tennison: q+ to disagree that URI design isn’t a big issue

21:18:41 <BernadetteLoscio> ...it doesnt show and evidence for a second document

...it doesnt show and evidence for a second document

21:19:11 <Jeni Tennison> q- because it would just waste time

Jeni Tennison: q- because it would just waste time

21:19:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

21:19:20 <BernadetteLoscio> laufer: we have agreed that we have a template... to use just onle document

Carlos Laufer: we have agreed that we have a template... to use just only document

21:19:22 <Jeni Tennison> q- to not waste time just because I disagree

Jeni Tennison: q- to not waste time just because I disagree

21:19:28 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:19:29 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller] is me

21:19:29 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

21:19:35 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

21:19:35 <phila> q+ Jeni Tennison

Phil Archer: q+ Jeni Tennison

21:19:43 <laufer> q-

Carlos Laufer: q-

21:19:51 <jtandy> s/onle/only/
21:19:57 <yaso> Ack ericstephan

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Unknown yaso: Ack ericstephan

21:20:09 <deirdrelee> hi all

Deirdre Lee: hi all

21:20:29 <BernadetteLoscio> ericstephan: it will be confuse if we have a set of documents... things should be in one place

Eric Stephan: it will be confuse if we have a set of documents... things should be in one place

21:20:37 <yaso> ack Jeni Tennison

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Unknown yaso: ack Jeni Tennison

21:20:41 <yaso> q?

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21:21:42 <BernadetteLoscio> Jeni Tennison: i think two points... i think the uri design is an issue...in a uk we have a huge discussion about the design of URIs

Jeni Tennison: i think two points... i think the uri design is an issue...in a uk we have a huge discussion about the design of URIs

21:22:21 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

21:22:37 <BernadetteLoscio> ...the second is to make sure we dont just consider URI design for linked data... the purpose of publishing datasets

...the second is to make sure we dont just consider URI design for linked data... the purpose of publishing datasets

21:22:40 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:22:54 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

21:23:17 <BernadetteLoscio> hadleybeeman: if should be an independent doc?

Hadley Beeman: if should be an independent doc?

21:23:42 <BernadetteLoscio> Jeni Tennison: i think there are BP to design URIs

Jeni Tennison: i think there are BP to design URIs

21:23:47 <yaso> ack phila

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Unknown yaso: ack phila

21:23:54 <phila> -> http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/uripersistence/ My work on this

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/uripersistence/ My work on this

21:24:00 <BernadetteLoscio> hadleybeeman: your concern is about the content

Hadley Beeman: your concern is about the content

21:24:03 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

21:24:44 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: i have experience on URI design...

Phil Archer: i have experience on URI design...

21:25:11 <BernadetteLoscio> ...i wish to have more use cases to show evidences on what you said

...i wish to have more use cases to show evidences on what you said

21:25:52 <BernadetteLoscio> ...to take an action. to explore actions that clarify that need for URI design

...to take an action. to explore actions that clarify that need for URI design

21:26:01 <yaso> action: phila to explore the use cases that might clarify the need for URI and URL design

ACTION: phila to explore the use cases that might clarify the need for URI and URL design

21:26:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Explore the use cases that might clarify the need for uri and url design [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-117 - Explore the use cases that might clarify the need for uri and url design [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-07].

21:26:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

21:26:11 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:26:15 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/urls-in-data/ Is also very relevant (Jeni's work)

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/urls-in-data/ Is also very relevant (Jeni's work)

21:26:18 <yaso> ack hadleybeeman

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Unknown yaso: ack hadleybeeman

21:27:04 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

21:27:09 <BernadetteLoscio> hadleybeeman: if all best practices are in oe document...

Hadley Beeman: if all best practices are in one document...

21:27:24 <nathalia> s/oe/one
21:27:27 <BernadetteLoscio> ...discussing how to organize the best practices

...discussing how to organize the best practices

21:27:37 <ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman

Eric Stephan: +1 hadleybeeman

21:27:39 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

PROPOSED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

21:27:42 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

21:27:42 <yaso> +1

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Unknown yaso: +1

21:27:45 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

21:27:46 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

21:27:49 <BernadetteLoscio> ...we need to make decisions

...we need to make decisions

21:27:50 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

21:27:54 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

21:27:55 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

21:27:56 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

21:27:58 <Jeni Tennison> +1 (observer)

Jeni Tennison: +1 (observer)

21:27:58 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

21:28:10 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

21:28:15 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

21:28:16 <BernadetteLoscio> ...this is gonna make the decision with carrasco easier

...this is gonna make incorporating the ideas ofcarrasco's COMURI work easier

21:28:37 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

+1

21:28:41 <hadleybeeman> s/the decision with /incorporating the ideas of
21:28:53 <hadleybeeman> s/carrasco/carrasco's COMURI work
21:29:05 <hadleybeeman> RESOLVED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

RESOLVED: all of our best practices will be in one document, because it is easier for readers/implementers to understand and easier for editors/contributors to manage

21:30:02 <BernadetteLoscio> phila: the URI with the template proposal is now on github

Phil Archer: the URI with the template proposal is now on github

21:30:09 <phila> s/http:\/\/philarcher.org\/dwbp\/bptemplate.html\/http:\/\/w3c.github.io\/dwbp\/bptemplate.html/g

Phil Archer: s/http:\/\/philarcher.org\/dwbp\/bptemplate.html\/http:\/\/w3c.github.io\/dwbp\/bptemplate.html/g (warning: replacement failed)

21:30:21 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bptemplate.html The template

Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bptemplate.html The template

21:30:37 <hadleybeeman> Phila: What was at http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html is now at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bptemplate.html

Phil Archer: What was at http://philarcher.org/dwbp/bptemplate.html is now at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bptemplate.html [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

21:30:43 <yaso> q?

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Unknown yaso: q?

21:30:48 <BernadetteLoscio> ...the template for BP is on github... the colors and numbers are temporary

...the template for BP is on github... the colors and numbers are temporary

21:31:08 <BernadetteLoscio> yaso:  let's make a break of 10 min

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Unknown yaso: let's make a break of 10 min

21:31:43 <Caroline> very nice, phila!

Caroline Burle: very nice, phila!

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21:41:21 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller] is me

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21:41:42 <deirdrelee> how's tricks?

Deirdre Lee: how's tricks?

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21:54:24 <yaso> ls

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Unknown yaso: ls

21:55:40 <yaso> :-) wrong window, Newton

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Unknown yaso: :-) wrong window, Newton

21:56:02 <yaso> trying to list participants on the irc using ls command

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Unknown yaso: trying to list participants on the irc using ls command

21:57:42 <yaso> chair: BernadetteLoscio
21:57:46 <yaso> scribe: yaso

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21:58:01 <yaso> yes! Our super meta chair \o/

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yes! Our super meta chair \o/

21:58:02 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to Jeni Tennison

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to Jeni Tennison

21:58:15 <jtandy> oh yes

Jeremy Tandy: oh yes

21:58:35 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I think everybody that is here is already in one of the items

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think everybody that is here is already in one of the items

21:59:12 <yaso> … I’m not sure if we’re going to have enough people to write just one section

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… I’m not sure if we’re going to have enough people to write just one section

21:59:27 <phila> zakim, who is on the phone?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is on the phone?

21:59:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Salona, Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Salona, Caroline

21:59:28 <Zakim> Caroline has nathalia

Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline has nathalia

21:59:36 <phila> zakim, unmute salona

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute salona

21:59:36 <Zakim> Salona was not muted, phila

Zakim IRC Bot: Salona was not muted, phila

22:00:17 <hadleybeeman> We are looking at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

Hadley Beeman: We are looking at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure#Feedback.28.3F.29

22:00:24 <yaso> … the only new section with contributors is the data formats

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… the only new section with contributors is the data formats

22:00:48 <Bernadetteloscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

22:01:08 <yaso> EricKauz: data type usage, and I was looking more for onthology perspective

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Eric Kauz: data type usage, and I was looking more for onthology perspective

22:01:27 <yaso> Phila: the mobile BP was writen before the Iphone

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Phil Archer: the mobile BP was writen before the Iphone

22:01:34 <Bernadetteloscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

22:01:34 <yaso> phila: and it still apply

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Phil Archer: and it still apply

22:01:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+

22:02:00 <yaso> … even when the format that you mentioned is obsolete the advice is still useful

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… even when the format that you mentioned is obsolete the advice is still useful

22:02:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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22:02:30 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: what will be the content of that section. We were thinking that we’re gonna have this today at tpac

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: what will be the content of that section. We were thinking that we’re gonna have this today at tpac

22:02:56 <yaso> … and we raised a lot of issues. Those issues will have a lot of impact in each item of the proposed structure

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… and we raised a lot of issues. Those issues will have a lot of impact in each item of the proposed structure

22:03:01 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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22:03:31 <yaso> … I don’t know if we can the items discuss after or before discussing the issues that we raised before.

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… I don’t know if we can discuss the items after or before discussing the issues that we raised before.

22:03:50 <yaso> s/the items discuss/discuss the items
22:03:57 <Bernadetteloscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

22:04:05 <Bernadetteloscio> ack Ig_Bittencourt

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Ig_Bittencourt

22:04:23 <Caroline> +1 to pass through each theme

Caroline Burle: +1 to pass through each theme

22:04:25 <newton> q+ to propose to take a look on raised issues and try to fit them on these themes

Newton Calegari: q+ to propose to take a look on raised issues and try to fit them on these themes

22:04:41 <Caroline> +1 to newton's propose

Caroline Burle: +1 to newton's propose

22:04:41 <yaso> ig_bittencourt my question is related to the focus that we will give to the data vocabularies

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ig_bittencourt my question is related to the focus that we will give to the data vocabularies

22:04:45 <Bernadetteloscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

22:05:00 <yaso> … one of our perspectives was about the data vocabularies creation, another one about using data vocabs

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… one of our perspectives was about the data vocabularies creation, another one about using data vocabs

22:05:13 <yaso> … I would like to know what were going to do

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… I would like to know what were going to do

22:05:37 <Bernadetteloscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

22:05:38 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: maybe we can discuss the issues

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: maybe we can discuss the issues

22:05:43 <yaso> … if we can discuss then

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