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16:02:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
16:02:38 <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2014
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16:03:27 <ericstephan> Are you able to hear me on the phone?
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16:03:44 <ericstephan> I thought I heard someone join, but then again... :-)
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16:03:56 <hadleybeeman> I'm afraid I'm not on the phone. Do you need me to dial in? I'm only here for a few mins... but I can call, if you like.
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16:04:27 <ericstephan> No its fine, I just didn't know :-)
Eric Stephan: No its fine, I just didn't know :-) ←
16:05:09 <hadleybeeman> Okay. Nice agenda, by the way!
Hadley Beeman: Okay. Nice agenda, by the way! ←
16:05:28 <hadleybeeman> I went to prepare the agenda for tomorrow and put in the wrong date... I was very confused to see that it was already done. :)
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16:05:55 <ericstephan> Thank you, yes Phil has taught me well.
Eric Stephan: Thank you, yes Phil has taught me well. ←
16:06:28 <ericstephan> I think everyone else is on IRC
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16:07:34 <markharrison> zakim, who is on the phone?
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16:07:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +3567922aaaa, +44.796.910.aabb
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16:08:01 <jerdeb> Zakim +356 is me
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16:10:05 <ericstephan> Hmmm the agenda was here....https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 I thought...
Eric Stephan: Hmmm the agenda was here....https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 I thought... ←
16:10:32 <jerdeb> there is an agenda here: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002
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16:10:59 <ericstephan> Ah perfect!
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16:11:16 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabs agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002
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16:13:06 <ericstephan> ScribeNick: jerdeb
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16:14:10 <ericstephan> zakim, who is noisy?
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16:17:00 <ericstephan> phila will you be able to join by phone?
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16:17:52 <ericstephan> TOPIC: Review the UCR and see just what requirements are in there and think about how we're going to address them.
16:18:44 <jerdeb> ericstephan: generally how we are going to address them by vocabularies... discussing with bernadette what are the missing requirements
Eric Stephan: generally how we are going to address them by vocabularies... discussing with bernadette what are the missing requirements ←
16:18:55 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html ←
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16:20:15 <jerdeb> ericstephan: document on github (http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html) requirements - what kind of requirements do we need to propose?
Eric Stephan: document on github (http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html) requirements - what kind of requirements do we need to propose? ←
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16:22:21 <jerdeb> ericstephan: discussions we had in terms of the data usage vocab might have some synergies with the data quality and granularity vocab
Eric Stephan: discussions we had in terms of the data usage vocab might have some synergies with the data quality and granularity vocab ←
16:23:27 <jerdeb> Bernadette: requirements in usecase document are general.. they should be more specific..
Bernadette Farias Loscio: requirements in usecase document are general.. they should be more specific.. ←
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16:24:33 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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16:24:40 <jerdeb> ericstephan: one of the more interesting things is that from certain use cases you cannot derive direct(?) information about data usage
Eric Stephan: one of the more interesting things is that from certain use cases you cannot derive direct(?) information about data usage ←
16:25:50 <phila> Looks Om to me
Phil Archer: Looks Om to me ←
16:26:10 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-BuildingEye
Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-BuildingEye ←
16:27:30 <jerdeb> ericstephan: the building eye use case has multiple perspectives: 1) vision of what open data can do
Eric Stephan: the building eye use case has multiple perspectives: 1) vision of what open data can do ←
16:28:14 <jerdeb> phila: reading individual use cases, it is true that you can pull a lot of different things and can be interpreted in different ways
Phil Archer: reading individual use cases, it is true that you can pull a lot of different things and can be interpreted in different ways ←
16:29:19 <jerdeb> phila: depends on the level of detail one wants to go in each use case to derive requirements
Phil Archer: depends on the level of detail one wants to go in each use case to derive requirements ←
16:29:23 <ericstephan> For example: R-DataUnavailabilityReference: Some open data is related to data intentionally closed, taken offline, but the citation of the closed data source is important to data users as well as its designation as closed.
Eric Stephan: For example: R-DataUnavailabilityReference: Some open data is related to data intentionally closed, taken offline, but the citation of the closed data source is important to data users as well as its designation as closed. ←
16:31:27 <jerdeb> ericstephan: do we have enough requirements atm for data usage?
Eric Stephan: do we have enough requirements atm for data usage? ←
16:31:57 <jerdeb> phila: we have enough, but maybe not for the example just mentioned
Phil Archer: we have enough, but maybe not for the example just mentioned ←
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16:33:46 <phila> GS1 Use case http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-GS1-Digital
Phil Archer: GS1 Use case http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-GS1-Digital ←
16:33:59 <jerdeb> ? : one use case we are interested in are consumer services for products on the web
? : one use case we are interested in are consumer services for products on the web ←
16:34:21 <BernadetteLoscio> markharrison is speaking
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16:34:23 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:34:55 <jerdeb> sorry cannot hear anything
sorry cannot hear anything ←
16:35:12 <phila> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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16:35:12 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was already muted, phila
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16:35:44 <phila> phila: The use case you just gave, Mark, covering published but redacted data is interesting
Phil Archer: The use case you just gave, Mark, covering published but redacted data is interesting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:35:56 <phila> markharrison: we could work on a UC with that aspect
Mark Harrison: we could work on a UC with that aspect [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:36:02 <jerdeb> ericstephan: can we get a number of requirements - maybe set up a wiki page to contribute to
Eric Stephan: can we get a number of requirements - maybe set up a wiki page to contribute to ←
16:36:21 <jerdeb> ericstephan: these would help in building the vocabularies
Eric Stephan: these would help in building the vocabularies ←
16:36:45 <jerdeb> ericstephan: this has to be done this week (this thursday 3/10 and next thursday 10/10)
Eric Stephan: this has to be done this week (this thursday 3/10 and next thursday 10/10) ←
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16:37:25 <markharrison> phila: happy to do so re redacted data - I was thinking in particular of redacted traceability data for consumers, without revealing commercially sensitive details
Phil Archer: happy to do so re redacted data - I was thinking in particular of redacted traceability data for consumers, without revealing commercially sensitive details [ Scribe Assist by Mark Harrison ] ←
16:37:49 <jerdeb> phila: work on use cases and have them published by 14/10.. a week before tpac
Phil Archer: work on use cases and have them published by 14/10.. a week before tpac ←
16:38:59 <phila> The wiki page for additional use cases is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases
Phil Archer: The wiki page for additional use cases is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases ←
16:41:10 <markharrison> q+
Mark Harrison: q+ ←
16:41:25 <jerdeb> phila: add new use cases suggested via email
Phil Archer: add new use cases suggested via email ←
16:42:41 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Use_Cases
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Use_Cases ←
16:43:25 <jerdeb> ericstephan: what are the things that are useful to talk about data usage activities taking part in the use cases?
Eric Stephan: what are the things that are useful to talk about data usage activities taking part in the use cases? ←
16:43:28 <ericstephan> ack markharrison
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16:44:04 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!
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16:44:05 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
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16:45:47 <jerdeb> Bernadette: (re: wiki page) organise ideas about data usage.. different types of data usage activities and applications(?) .. how to describe data usage and feedback...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: (re: wiki page) organise ideas about data usage.. different types of data usage activities and applications(?) .. how to describe data usage and feedback... ←
16:46:20 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we need to discuss any overlaps(?) with data quality vocabulary..
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to discuss any overlaps(?) with data quality vocabulary.. ←
16:47:03 <phila> q+ to quiz Bernadette a little
Phil Archer: q+ to quiz Bernadette a little ←
16:47:28 <jerdeb> Bernadette: extracting information from use cases for describing vocabularies... maybe we should try to write use cases to map them with the vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: extracting information from use cases for describing vocabularies... maybe we should try to write use cases to map them with the vocabularies ←
16:48:58 <phila> ack me
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16:48:58 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to quiz Bernadette a little
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16:49:02 <ericstephan> ack phila
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16:50:20 <jerdeb> sorry phil, can you write the issue? i have a big echo here cannot hear you well
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16:51:02 <phila> I'm saying that I'm a little concerned about spending more time on developing more use case. Do we have enough to make a start on the other deliverables?
Phil Archer: I'm saying that I'm a little concerned about spending more time on developing more use case. Do we have enough to make a start on the other deliverables? ←
16:51:03 <BernadetteLoscio> me too... echo here
Bernadette Farias Loscio: me too... echo here ←
16:51:10 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?
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16:51:21 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (77%), ericstephan (54%)
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16:51:54 <phila> ericstephan: I'm not talking about applying the template to the existing use cases
Eric Stephan: I'm not talking about applying the template to the existing use cases [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:52:04 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we can try to write some use cases from the pov of data usage
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can try to write some use cases from the pov of data usage ←
16:52:10 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I'm thinking that we could maybe write some use cases from the data usage vocab point of view
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm thinking that we could maybe write some use cases from the data usage vocab point of view [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:52:27 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we should show people what we mean by data usage
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should show people what we mean by data usage ←
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16:53:45 <jerdeb> phila: it is important to show what we mean by data usage... we can give some scenarios/examples where we can use it
Phil Archer: it is important to show what we mean by data usage... we can give some scenarios/examples where we can use it ←
16:53:58 <jerdeb> phila: similar to dcat, data cube
Phil Archer: similar to dcat, data cube ←
16:54:05 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:54:32 <jerdeb> phila: suggesting that such scenarios should go in the documentation of the vocabulary
Phil Archer: suggesting that such scenarios should go in the documentation of the vocabulary ←
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16:55:27 <jerdeb> phila: we can use some sample data to show the intended usage.. rather than working on some use case and then refer to it later
Phil Archer: we can use some sample data to show the intended usage.. rather than working on some use case and then refer to it later ←
16:55:44 <ericstephan> ack ericstephan
Eric Stephan: ack ericstephan ←
16:55:46 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
16:55:56 <jerdeb> Bernadette: it would be nice if someone can answer our questions in the use case document rather than ourselves
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it would be nice if someone can answer our questions in the use case document rather than ourselves ←
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16:57:44 <jerdeb> ericstephan: are we in agreement that we go through the requirements for the next week rather than a re-write of the use case documents?
Eric Stephan: are we in agreement that we go through the requirements for the next week rather than a re-write of the use case documents? ←
16:58:25 <jerdeb> phila: we need to make sure that what we do is grounded in reality... and that could be quite hard
Phil Archer: we need to make sure that what we do is grounded in reality... and that could be quite hard ←
16:58:50 <jerdeb> phila: we are trying to answer the question "what are people doing with my data?"
Phil Archer: we are trying to answer the question "what are people doing with my data?" ←
16:59:09 <MakxDekkers> +1 what phila said: grounded in reality
Makx Dekkers: +1 what phila said: grounded in reality ←
16:59:31 <jerdeb> phila: having a document is good, but we have to have something more concrete
Phil Archer: having a document is good, but we have to have something more concrete ←
16:59:41 <ericstephan> @phila good point, iterative process to produce and validate, and improve.
Eric Stephan: @phila good point, iterative process to produce and validate, and improve. ←
17:00:19 <jerdeb> phila: then we can go for input/feedback from the community
Phil Archer: then we can go for input/feedback from the community ←
17:00:37 <jerdeb> ericstephan: feedback is an important process
Eric Stephan: feedback is an important process ←
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17:01:38 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan, +3567922aaaa, +44.796.910.aabb, markharrison, jerdeb, BernadetteLoscio, +44.122.352.aacc, phila
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17:01:54 <phila> Did you see this BernadetteLoscio https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/515767419076608000
Phil Archer: Did you see this BernadetteLoscio https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/515767419076608000 ←
17:01:58 <markharrison> bye
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16:02:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
16:02:38 <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2014
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16:03:27 <ericstephan> Are you able to hear me on the phone?
Eric Stephan: Are you able to hear me on the phone? ←
16:03:44 <ericstephan> I thought I heard someone join, but then again... :-)
Eric Stephan: I thought I heard someone join, but then again... :-) ←
16:03:56 <hadleybeeman> I'm afraid I'm not on the phone. Do you need me to dial in? I'm only here for a few mins... but I can call, if you like.
Hadley Beeman: I'm afraid I'm not on the phone. Do you need me to dial in? I'm only here for a few mins... but I can call, if you like. ←
16:04:27 <ericstephan> No its fine, I just didn't know :-)
Eric Stephan: No its fine, I just didn't know :-) ←
16:05:09 <hadleybeeman> Okay. Nice agenda, by the way!
Hadley Beeman: Okay. Nice agenda, by the way! ←
16:05:28 <hadleybeeman> I went to prepare the agenda for tomorrow and put in the wrong date... I was very confused to see that it was already done. :)
Hadley Beeman: I went to prepare the agenda for tomorrow and put in the wrong date... I was very confused to see that it was already done. :) ←
16:05:55 <ericstephan> Thank you, yes Phil has taught me well.
Eric Stephan: Thank you, yes Phil has taught me well. ←
16:06:28 <ericstephan> I think everyone else is on IRC
Eric Stephan: I think everyone else is on IRC ←
16:06:48 <Zakim> + +3567922aaaa
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16:06:48 <Zakim> + +44.796.910.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.796.910.aabb ←
16:07:34 <markharrison> zakim, who is on the phone?
Mark Harrison: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:07:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +3567922aaaa, +44.796.910.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericstephan, +3567922aaaa, +44.796.910.aabb ←
16:08:01 <jerdeb> Zakim +356 is me
Zakim +356 is me ←
16:08:04 <markharrison> zakim, aabb is markharrison
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16:08:04 <Zakim> +markharrison; got it
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16:08:09 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aaaa is jerdeb
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16:08:10 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it
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16:10:05 <ericstephan> Hmmm the agenda was here....https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 I thought...
Eric Stephan: Hmmm the agenda was here....https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 I thought... ←
16:10:32 <jerdeb> there is an agenda here: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002
there is an agenda here: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 ←
16:10:59 <ericstephan> Ah perfect!
Eric Stephan: Ah perfect! ←
16:11:16 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabs agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002
Hadley Beeman: hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabs agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141002 ←
16:12:06 <jerdeb> scribe: jerdeb
16:12:33 <ericstephan> scribenick: jerdeb
16:12:50 <markharrison> zakim, scribenick is jerdeb
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16:12:50 <Zakim> sorry, markharrison, I do not recognize a party named 'scribenick'
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16:13:06 <ericstephan> ScribeNick: jerdeb
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16:14:09 <BernadetteLoscio> i cant hear
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16:14:10 <ericstephan> zakim, who is noisy?
Eric Stephan: zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:14:17 <markharrison> zakim, who is speaking?
Mark Harrison: zakim, who is speaking? ←
16:14:21 <Zakim> ericstephan, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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16:14:32 <Zakim> markharrison, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (4%), ericstephan (10%)
Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (4%), ericstephan (10%) ←
16:17:00 <ericstephan> phila will you be able to join by phone?
Eric Stephan: phila will you be able to join by phone? ←
16:17:52 <ericstephan> TOPIC: Review the UCR and see just what requirements are in there and think about how we're going to address them.
16:18:44 <jerdeb> ericstephan: generally how we are going to address them by vocabularies... discussing with bernadette what are the missing requirements
Eric Stephan: generally how we are going to address them by vocabularies... discussing with bernadette what are the missing requirements ←
16:18:55 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html ←
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16:19:39 <markharrison> lost audio connection - will try to rejoin
Mark Harrison: lost audio connection - will try to rejoin ←
16:20:15 <jerdeb> ericstephan: document on github (http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html) requirements - what kind of requirements do we need to propose?
Eric Stephan: document on github (http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html) requirements - what kind of requirements do we need to propose? ←
16:21:03 <Zakim> + +44.122.352.aacc
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16:21:21 <markharrison> zakim, aacc is markharrison
Mark Harrison: zakim, aacc is markharrison ←
16:21:21 <Zakim> +markharrison; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markharrison; got it ←
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16:22:21 <jerdeb> ericstephan: discussions we had in terms of the data usage vocab might have some synergies with the data quality and granularity vocab
Eric Stephan: discussions we had in terms of the data usage vocab might have some synergies with the data quality and granularity vocab ←
16:23:27 <jerdeb> Bernadette: requirements in usecase document are general.. they should be more specific..
Bernadette Farias Loscio: requirements in usecase document are general.. they should be more specific.. ←
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16:24:33 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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16:24:33 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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16:24:40 <jerdeb> ericstephan: one of the more interesting things is that from certain use cases you cannot derive direct(?) information about data usage
Eric Stephan: one of the more interesting things is that from certain use cases you cannot derive direct(?) information about data usage ←
16:25:50 <phila> Looks Om to me
Phil Archer: Looks Om to me ←
16:26:10 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-BuildingEye
Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-BuildingEye ←
16:27:30 <jerdeb> ericstephan: the building eye use case has multiple perspectives: 1) vision of what open data can do
Eric Stephan: the building eye use case has multiple perspectives: 1) vision of what open data can do ←
16:28:14 <jerdeb> phila: reading individual use cases, it is true that you can pull a lot of different things and can be interpreted in different ways
Phil Archer: reading individual use cases, it is true that you can pull a lot of different things and can be interpreted in different ways ←
16:29:19 <jerdeb> phila: depends on the level of detail one wants to go in each use case to derive requirements
Phil Archer: depends on the level of detail one wants to go in each use case to derive requirements ←
16:29:23 <ericstephan> For example: R-DataUnavailabilityReference: Some open data is related to data intentionally closed, taken offline, but the citation of the closed data source is important to data users as well as its designation as closed.
Eric Stephan: For example: R-DataUnavailabilityReference: Some open data is related to data intentionally closed, taken offline, but the citation of the closed data source is important to data users as well as its designation as closed. ←
16:31:27 <jerdeb> ericstephan: do we have enough requirements atm for data usage?
Eric Stephan: do we have enough requirements atm for data usage? ←
16:31:57 <jerdeb> phila: we have enough, but maybe not for the example just mentioned
Phil Archer: we have enough, but maybe not for the example just mentioned ←
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16:33:46 <phila> GS1 Use case http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-GS1-Digital
Phil Archer: GS1 Use case http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-GS1-Digital ←
16:33:59 <jerdeb> ? : one use case we are interested in are consumer services for products on the web
? : one use case we are interested in are consumer services for products on the web ←
16:34:21 <BernadetteLoscio> markharrison is speaking
Bernadette Farias Loscio: markharrison is speaking ←
16:34:23 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:34:55 <jerdeb> sorry cannot hear anything
sorry cannot hear anything ←
16:35:12 <phila> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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16:35:12 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was already muted, phila
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16:35:44 <phila> phila: The use case you just gave, Mark, covering published but redacted data is interesting
Phil Archer: The use case you just gave, Mark, covering published but redacted data is interesting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:35:56 <phila> markharrison: we could work on a UC with that aspect
Mark Harrison: we could work on a UC with that aspect [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:36:02 <jerdeb> ericstephan: can we get a number of requirements - maybe set up a wiki page to contribute to
Eric Stephan: can we get a number of requirements - maybe set up a wiki page to contribute to ←
16:36:21 <jerdeb> ericstephan: these would help in building the vocabularies
Eric Stephan: these would help in building the vocabularies ←
16:36:45 <jerdeb> ericstephan: this has to be done this week (this thursday 3/10 and next thursday 10/10)
Eric Stephan: this has to be done this week (this thursday 3/10 and next thursday 10/10) ←
16:37:16 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
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16:37:25 <markharrison> phila: happy to do so re redacted data - I was thinking in particular of redacted traceability data for consumers, without revealing commercially sensitive details
Phil Archer: happy to do so re redacted data - I was thinking in particular of redacted traceability data for consumers, without revealing commercially sensitive details [ Scribe Assist by Mark Harrison ] ←
16:37:49 <jerdeb> phila: work on use cases and have them published by 14/10.. a week before tpac
Phil Archer: work on use cases and have them published by 14/10.. a week before tpac ←
16:38:59 <phila> The wiki page for additional use cases is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases
Phil Archer: The wiki page for additional use cases is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases ←
16:41:10 <markharrison> q+
Mark Harrison: q+ ←
16:41:25 <jerdeb> phila: add new use cases suggested via email
Phil Archer: add new use cases suggested via email ←
16:42:41 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Use_Cases
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Use_Cases ←
16:43:25 <jerdeb> ericstephan: what are the things that are useful to talk about data usage activities taking part in the use cases?
Eric Stephan: what are the things that are useful to talk about data usage activities taking part in the use cases? ←
16:43:28 <ericstephan> ack markharrison
Eric Stephan: ack markharrison ←
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16:44:04 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes! ←
16:44:05 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
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16:45:47 <jerdeb> Bernadette: (re: wiki page) organise ideas about data usage.. different types of data usage activities and applications(?) .. how to describe data usage and feedback...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: (re: wiki page) organise ideas about data usage.. different types of data usage activities and applications(?) .. how to describe data usage and feedback... ←
16:46:20 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we need to discuss any overlaps(?) with data quality vocabulary..
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to discuss any overlaps(?) with data quality vocabulary.. ←
16:47:03 <phila> q+ to quiz Bernadette a little
Phil Archer: q+ to quiz Bernadette a little ←
16:47:28 <jerdeb> Bernadette: extracting information from use cases for describing vocabularies... maybe we should try to write use cases to map them with the vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: extracting information from use cases for describing vocabularies... maybe we should try to write use cases to map them with the vocabularies ←
16:48:58 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:48:58 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to quiz Bernadette a little
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to quiz Bernadette a little ←
16:49:02 <ericstephan> ack phila
Eric Stephan: ack phila ←
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16:50:20 <jerdeb> sorry phil, can you write the issue? i have a big echo here cannot hear you well
sorry phil, can you write the issue? i have a big echo here cannot hear you well ←
16:51:02 <phila> I'm saying that I'm a little concerned about spending more time on developing more use case. Do we have enough to make a start on the other deliverables?
Phil Archer: I'm saying that I'm a little concerned about spending more time on developing more use case. Do we have enough to make a start on the other deliverables? ←
16:51:03 <BernadetteLoscio> me too... echo here
Bernadette Farias Loscio: me too... echo here ←
16:51:10 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:51:21 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (77%), ericstephan (54%)
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (77%), ericstephan (54%) ←
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16:51:28 <phila> zakim, mute markharrison
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16:51:54 <phila> ericstephan: I'm not talking about applying the template to the existing use cases
Eric Stephan: I'm not talking about applying the template to the existing use cases [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:52:04 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we can try to write some use cases from the pov of data usage
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can try to write some use cases from the pov of data usage ←
16:52:10 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I'm thinking that we could maybe write some use cases from the data usage vocab point of view
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm thinking that we could maybe write some use cases from the data usage vocab point of view [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:52:27 <jerdeb> Bernadette: we should show people what we mean by data usage
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should show people what we mean by data usage ←
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16:53:45 <jerdeb> phila: it is important to show what we mean by data usage... we can give some scenarios/examples where we can use it
Phil Archer: it is important to show what we mean by data usage... we can give some scenarios/examples where we can use it ←
16:53:58 <jerdeb> phila: similar to dcat, data cube
Phil Archer: similar to dcat, data cube ←
16:54:05 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:54:32 <jerdeb> phila: suggesting that such scenarios should go in the documentation of the vocabulary
Phil Archer: suggesting that such scenarios should go in the documentation of the vocabulary ←
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16:55:27 <jerdeb> phila: we can use some sample data to show the intended usage.. rather than working on some use case and then refer to it later
Phil Archer: we can use some sample data to show the intended usage.. rather than working on some use case and then refer to it later ←
16:55:44 <ericstephan> ack ericstephan
Eric Stephan: ack ericstephan ←
16:55:46 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
16:55:56 <jerdeb> Bernadette: it would be nice if someone can answer our questions in the use case document rather than ourselves
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it would be nice if someone can answer our questions in the use case document rather than ourselves ←
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16:57:44 <jerdeb> ericstephan: are we in agreement that we go through the requirements for the next week rather than a re-write of the use case documents?
Eric Stephan: are we in agreement that we go through the requirements for the next week rather than a re-write of the use case documents? ←
16:58:25 <jerdeb> phila: we need to make sure that what we do is grounded in reality... and that could be quite hard
Phil Archer: we need to make sure that what we do is grounded in reality... and that could be quite hard ←
16:58:50 <jerdeb> phila: we are trying to answer the question "what are people doing with my data?"
Phil Archer: we are trying to answer the question "what are people doing with my data?" ←
16:59:09 <MakxDekkers> +1 what phila said: grounded in reality
Makx Dekkers: +1 what phila said: grounded in reality ←
16:59:31 <jerdeb> phila: having a document is good, but we have to have something more concrete
Phil Archer: having a document is good, but we have to have something more concrete ←
16:59:41 <ericstephan> @phila good point, iterative process to produce and validate, and improve.
Eric Stephan: @phila good point, iterative process to produce and validate, and improve. ←
17:00:19 <jerdeb> phila: then we can go for input/feedback from the community
Phil Archer: then we can go for input/feedback from the community ←
17:00:37 <jerdeb> ericstephan: feedback is an important process
Eric Stephan: feedback is an important process ←
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17:01:38 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan, +3567922aaaa, +44.796.910.aabb, markharrison, jerdeb, BernadetteLoscio, +44.122.352.aacc, phila
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17:01:54 <phila> Did you see this BernadetteLoscio https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/515767419076608000
Phil Archer: Did you see this BernadetteLoscio https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/515767419076608000 ←
17:01:58 <markharrison> bye
Mark Harrison: bye ←
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