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DWBP Vocabularies Call

Minutes of 24 July 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140724
Seen
Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Jeremy Debattista, Makx Dekkers, Phil Archer
Regrets
Makx Dekkers, Jeremy Debattista
Chair
Antoine Isaac
Scribe
Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve last call's minutes link
Topics
15:55:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-dwbp-irc

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15:55:21 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp

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15:55:28 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140724
15:55:36 <phila> chair: Antoine
15:55:49 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Vocabularies Call
15:56:32 <phila> regrets: Makx, Jeremy
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15:59:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:59:47 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me

15:59:47 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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15:59:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:59:57 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller

15:59:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPcaller', antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'IPcaller', antoine

16:00:03 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me

16:00:03 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it

16:03:16 <phila> http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld

Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld

16:04:25 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

16:05:04 <Zakim> + +1.509.375.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.375.aaaa

16:05:18 <phila> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/tree/gh-pages

Phil Archer: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/tree/gh-pages

16:05:19 <antoine> zakim, aaaa is ericstephan

Antoine Isaac: zakim, aaaa is ericstephan

16:05:19 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it

16:09:32 <phila> BernadetteLoscio we only have a few of us here so we're just chatting

Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio we only have a few of us here so we're just chatting

16:09:35 <antoine> zakim, who is here

Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here

16:09:36 <Zakim> antoine, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you need to end that query with '?'

16:09:38 <antoine> zakim, who is here?

Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here?

16:09:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, phila, ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antoine, phila, ericstephan

16:09:40 <BernadetteLoscio> ok

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok

16:09:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot

16:10:18 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.557.aabb

16:10:51 <phila> zakim, aabb is EricKauz

Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is EricKauz

16:10:51 <Zakim> +EricKauz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricKauz; got it

16:11:02 <phila> CarlosIglesias are you dialling in?

Phil Archer: CarlosIglesias are you dialling in?

16:11:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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16:11:42 <phila> action-56?

Phil Archer: ACTION-56?

16:11:42 <trackbot> action-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

16:11:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56

16:11:55 <CarlosIglesias> yep

Carlos Iglesias: yep

16:12:07 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is CarlosIglesias

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is CarlosIglesias

16:12:07 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

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16:13:39 <phila> scribe: phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

16:13:54 <phila> antoine: welcomes the few, the merry few

Antoine Isaac: welcomes the few, the merry few

16:14:02 <phila> ... probably a quick call

... probably a quick call

16:14:11 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-10

Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-10

16:14:15 <phila> PROPOSED: Approve last call's minutes

PROPOSED: Approve last call's minutes

16:14:19 <CarlosIglesias> +1

Carlos Iglesias: +1

16:14:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:14:21 <EricKauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

16:14:25 <phila> +1

+1

16:14:31 <phila> RESOLVED: Approve last call's minutes

RESOLVED: Approve last call's minutes

16:14:52 <phila> Topic: Vocab development methodology

1. Vocab development methodology

16:15:05 <phila> ericstephan: Yes, we were just talking about that earlier...

Eric Stephan: Yes, we were just talking about that earlier...

16:15:32 <phila> ... the issue was raised to make sure that we were as inclusive as poss for identifying vocabs that would be amendable to entire open data community

... the issue was raised to make sure that we were as inclusive as poss for identifying vocabs that would be amendable to entire open data community

16:15:52 <phila> ... so I floated the idea of a conceptual model. Then Phil introduced idea of...

... so I floated the idea of a conceptual model. Then Phil introduced idea of...

16:16:25 <phila> ... we have 2 communities - An LD community and a large JSOn community. Can we represent the vocab in a way to accommodate both groups => JSON-LD

... we have 2 communities - An LD community and a large JSOn community. Can we represent the vocab in a way to accommodate both groups => JSON-LD

16:16:47 <phila> ericstephan: Phil as done some work on this

Eric Stephan: Phil as done some work on this

16:17:42 <antoine> Phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html

Antoine Isaac: Phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html

16:17:52 <phila> ericstephan: See phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html

Eric Stephan: See phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html

16:18:11 <phila> ... there are some questions. One solution is just to take the RDF vocab and translate that to JSON-LD

... there are some questions. One solution is just to take the RDF vocab and translate that to JSON-LD

16:18:30 <phila> ... but we can breeak out the context file and make that separate

... but we can breeak out the context file and make that separate

16:20:16 <phila> phila: Do we include DC in the context file or not?

Phil Archer: Do we include DC in the context file or not?

16:20:22 <antoine> Phil: question of including other context files

Phil Archer: question of including other context files [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:20:47 <phila> EricKauz: Including it in is the best bet for usability, but it's quite expensive - it makes it an extensive file

Eric Kauz: Including it in is the best bet for usability, but it's quite expensive - it makes it an extensive file

16:21:00 <phila> http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld

http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld

16:21:16 <antoine> phila: my file doesn't include the definitions

Phil Archer: my file doesn't include the definitions [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:21:28 <antoine> ... for DCAT but it includes DC

Antoine Isaac: ... for DCAT but it includes DC

16:21:46 <antoine> ... Should a file like this go to the DCAT namespace?

Antoine Isaac: ... Should a file like this go to the DCAT namespace?

16:22:22 <antoine> ... my sense is that a file with only DCAT definition goes on DCAT namespace

Antoine Isaac: ... my sense is that a file with only DCAT definition goes on DCAT namespace

16:22:33 <antoine> ... a file with other definitions should go somewhere else.

Antoine Isaac: ... a file with other definitions should go somewhere else.

16:22:48 <antoine> ... I've also looked at multilingual labels.

Antoine Isaac: ... I've also looked at multilingual labels.

16:23:00 <antoine> ... DCAT has all of them in one file

Antoine Isaac: ... DCAT has all of them in one file

16:23:18 <EricKauz> extensive not expensive :)

Eric Kauz: extensive not expensive :)

16:23:25 <antoine> ... JSON-LD looks horrible for such labels

Antoine Isaac: ... JSON-LD looks horrible for such labels

16:24:02 <phila> antoine: I think you can put multilingual labels in JSON-LD, especially if manually created

Antoine Isaac: I think you can put multilingual labels in JSON-LD, especially if manually created

16:24:43 <antoine> phila: EricKauz , is it something you have experience with?

Phil Archer: EricKauz , is it something you have experience with? [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:24:49 <antoine> ... or do we need someone in?

Antoine Isaac: ... or do we need someone in?

16:24:56 <antoine> EricKauz: would be good to have someone

Eric Kauz: would be good to have someone [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:25:11 <antoine> phila: I'll try to see if Markus Lanthaler can come

Phil Archer: I'll try to see if Markus Lanthaler can come [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:25:17 <phila> action: phila to invite Markus Lanthaler to a future vocabs call

ACTION: phila to invite Markus Lanthaler to a future vocabs call

16:25:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-57 - Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].

16:25:43 <phila> action-55 continues...

ACTION-55 continues...

16:27:28 <phila> action: antoine to find out more about adding multilingual labels to a JSON-LD Context file by 2014-08-21

ACTION: antoine to find out more about adding multilingual labels to a JSON-LD Context file by 2014-08-21

16:27:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Find out more about adding multilingual labels to a json-ld context file by 2014-08-21 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-07-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Find out more about adding multilingual labels to a json-ld context file by 2014-08-21 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-07-31].

16:28:06 <phila> topic: Publication policies

2. Publication policies

16:28:13 <phila> action-56?

ACTION-56?

16:28:13 <trackbot> action-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN

16:28:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56

16:28:26 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

16:28:34 <phila> WE can close this, noting that the editor's draft of DaQ which is available at ^

WE can close this, noting that the editor's draft of DaQ which is available at ^

16:29:15 <phila> phila: the keyt thing is to use the gh-pages branch

Phil Archer: the keyt thing is to use the gh-pages branch

16:29:38 <phila> ... not the Master branch

... not the Master branch

16:29:43 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html

Antoine Isaac: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html

16:30:42 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html

Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html

16:31:11 <phila> antoine: So that means that we shouldn't use the Master branch anymore?

Antoine Isaac: So that means that we shouldn't use the Master branch anymore?

16:31:15 <phila> Chorus of Yes

Chorus of Yes

16:31:32 <phila> ericstephan: It must be correlated to being ablt to post things on the Web

Eric Stephan: It must be correlated to being ablt to post things on the Web

16:31:48 <phila> antoine: on CSV on the Web we just use gh-pages and not master. Now I know why

Eric Stephan: on CSV on the Web we just use gh-pages and not master. Now I know why

16:32:01 <phila> s/antoine/EricStephan/
16:33:22 <antoine> phila: there has been a call on publication process

Phil Archer: there has been a call on publication process [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

16:34:35 <antoine> ... there will eb a process allowing daily updates

Antoine Isaac: ... there will eb a process allowing daily updates

16:34:40 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/branches

Antoine Isaac: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/branches

16:35:17 <phila> phila: Maybe Yaso can give us a little tutorial on GitHub?

Phil Archer: Maybe Yaso can give us a little tutorial on GitHub?

16:35:25 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:35:31 <phila> ericstephan: I have a list of GH commands that I use for publishing in CSV

Eric Stephan: I have a list of GH commands that I use for publishing in CSV

16:35:38 <phila> ... I'll dig that out

... I'll dig that out

16:35:47 <phila> antoine: That would be very helpful, we can all compare commands

Antoine Isaac: That would be very helpful, we can all compare commands

16:36:21 <phila> close action-56

close ACTION-56

16:36:22 <trackbot> Closed action-56.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-56.

16:37:36 <phila> action: phila to ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using GitHub for editors, use of gh-pages etc.

ACTION: phila to ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using GitHub for editors, use of gh-pages etc.

16:37:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].

16:37:58 <phila> topic: Data Q & G Vocab

3. Data Q & G Vocab

16:38:30 <phila> antoine; Bart and I are both v busy. We've not been able to make any progress recently. He's had a lot of (Brandweer) shifts

antoine; Bart and I are both v busy. We've not been able to make any progress recently. He's had a lot of (Brandweer) shifts

16:38:53 <phila> ... but we agreed that we'd try and make progress in August (Bart and Phil will both be at SemTech for example)

... but we agreed that we'd try and make progress in August (Bart and Phil will both be at SemTech for example)

16:38:59 <phila> topic: Data Usage Vocab

4. Data Usage Vocab

16:39:25 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47

16:39:26 <phila> ericstephan; BernadetteLoscio and I haven't been as active as we'd like except by e-mail. But...

ericstephan; BernadetteLoscio and I haven't been as active as we'd like except by e-mail. But...

16:39:39 <phila> ... one thing I'd like to see is some feedback from the group

... one thing I'd like to see is some feedback from the group

16:39:41 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Definition

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Definition

16:39:44 <phila> action-47?

ACTION-47?

16:39:44 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN

16:39:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47

16:40:27 <phila> ericstephan: from the original Data Activity pages... I put some definitions on a wiki page for people to look at. Question is: is this comprehansive enough

Eric Stephan: from the original Data Activity pages... I put some definitions on a wiki page for people to look at. Question is: is this comprehansive enough

16:40:35 <phila> ... I need to back to the UCR and compare them

... I need to back to the UCR and compare them

16:40:42 <phila> ... theree should be a direct mapping

... theree should be a direct mapping

16:40:52 <phila> ... anyone taken a look at that definition

... anyone taken a look at that definition

16:41:10 <phila> antoine and phila both express embarrassment at not having looked

antoine and phila both express embarrassment at not having looked

16:41:29 <phila> antoine: maybe you can send a reminder today?

Antoine Isaac: maybe you can send a reminder today?

16:43:35 <phila> ericstephan: so that's all I have for DUV for now

Eric Stephan: so that's all I have for DUV for now

16:43:55 <phila> Any other business?

Any other business?

16:44:04 <phila> Nope...

Nope...

16:44:31 <Zakim> -phila

Zakim IRC Bot: -phila

16:44:50 <Zakim> -EricKauz

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricKauz

16:48:50 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended

16:48:51 <Zakim> Attendees were phila, antoine, +1.509.375.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, EricKauz, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were phila, antoine, +1.509.375.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, EricKauz, CarlosIglesias

17:04:40 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Phil!

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: hi Phil!

17:07:54 <phila> Hi bernadette

Hi bernadette

17:08:00 <phila> Sorry, I was a bit slow there

Sorry, I was a bit slow there

17:08:16 <BernadetteLoscio> its ok :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: its ok :)

17:08:18 <phila> If you use my full IRC name, i.e. type p and hit Tab, my speakers make a noise

If you use my full IRC name, i.e. type p and hit Tab, my speakers make a noise

17:08:28 <phila> and the icon for my IRC client starts flashing

and the icon for my IRC client starts flashing

17:08:29 <BernadetteLoscio> ok :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok :)

17:08:36 <phila> That's why I refer to you as BernadetteLoscio :-)

That's why I refer to you as BernadetteLoscio :-)

17:08:39 <phila> Anyway...

Anyway...

17:08:48 <phila> Florianopolis in November...

Florianopolis in November...

17:08:53 <phila> Are you planning to go?

Are you planning to go?

17:09:04 <phila> I've been invited but I can't decide if it's worth it or not

I've been invited but I can't decide if it's worth it or not

17:09:08 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm not sure

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure

17:09:26 <phila> How do you think the event will go? Will it have any impact in BR?

How do you think the event will go? Will it have any impact in BR?

17:09:41 <BernadetteLoscio> It's gonna be the first time of this conference

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's gonna be the first time of this conference

17:10:10 <BernadetteLoscio> and I'm not really familiar with people responsible for the organization

Bernadette Farias Loscio: and I'm not really familiar with people responsible for the organization

17:10:43 <phila> That's the problem. If it kick starts interest in Linked data in BR, it's worth it. If it's 3 academic enthusiasts and their mates, it's not

That's the problem. If it kick starts interest in Linked data in BR, it's worth it. If it's 3 academic enthusiasts and their mates, it's not

17:11:07 <BernadetteLoscio> I fully agree

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I fully agree

17:11:09 <phila> I thought Recife was the tech centre of Brazil, but they tell me it's Florianopolis

I thought Recife was the tech centre of Brazil, but they tell me it's Florianopolis

17:11:16 <BernadetteLoscio> :0

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :0

17:11:18 <BernadetteLoscio> :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :)

17:11:28 <BernadetteLoscio> i'm not sure

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i'm not sure

17:11:45 <phila> OK, I thought I'd ask. I'm asking Vagner as well of course

OK, I thought I'd ask. I'm asking Vagner as well of course

17:11:52 <phila> it's the week after TPAC

it's the week after TPAC

17:12:04 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm gonna contact some colleagues to ask about that conference

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm gonna contact some colleagues to ask about that conference

17:12:05 <phila> so I'd prob have to fly across the Atlantic twice in as many weeks :-(

so I'd prob have to fly across the Atlantic twice in as many weeks :-(

17:12:13 <phila> That would be helpful, thank you

That would be helpful, thank you

17:12:27 <phila> OK, talk to you tomorrow I hope

OK, talk to you tomorrow I hope

17:12:29 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm gonna do this and then I'll send you a message

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm gonna do this and then I'll send you a message

17:12:38 <phila> That would be most kind, thank you

That would be most kind, thank you

17:12:47 <BernadetteLoscio> you're welcome

Bernadette Farias Loscio: you're welcome

17:12:53 <phila> Cheers for now

Cheers for now

17:12:58 <BernadetteLoscio> tomorrow i wont be able to attend the meeting :(

Bernadette Farias Loscio: tomorrow i wont be able to attend the meeting :(

17:13:08 <BernadetteLoscio> but ill send you a message

Bernadette Farias Loscio: but ill send you a message

17:13:16 <phila> Ah, OK, well, it's my last one for a couple of weeks. Talk to you on the 15th maybe

Ah, OK, well, it's my last one for a couple of weeks. Talk to you on the 15th maybe

17:13:20 <phila> Cheers

Cheers

17:13:24 <BernadetteLoscio> Cheers

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Cheers



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