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15:43:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:43:10 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
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15:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
15:58:01 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
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15:58:10 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
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15:58:22 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
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15:58:30 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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15:58:54 <Zakim> +MikeMiller
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15:59:21 <mgylling> regrets: Alan, Frederick, Phil, Vladimir, Julie
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15:59:54 <HeatherF> And there's a newbie on the call.
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16:00:50 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
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16:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf
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16:00:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,
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16:00:53 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
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16:00:54 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:00:55 <Zakim> +madi
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16:00:55 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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16:00:57 <Zakim> +Ivan
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16:01:13 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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16:01:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan
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16:01:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,
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16:01:15 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
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16:01:38 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is HeatherF
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16:01:38 <Zakim> +HeatherF; got it
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16:02:12 <ivan> chair: markus
16:02:13 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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16:02:15 <Zakim> +??P0
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16:02:24 <ivan> scribenick: bjdmeest
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16:02:27 <tmichel> zakim, ??P0 is me
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16:02:27 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
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16:02:45 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
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16:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel
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16:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,
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16:02:47 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
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16:02:49 <bjdmeest> Markus: topics: metadata and a11y
Markus Gylling: topics: metadata and a11y ←
16:03:01 <bjdmeest> ... objections to last minutes?
... objections to last minutes? ←
16:03:09 <bjdmeest> .. no? approved
.. no? approved ←
16:03:15 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: next meeting
16:03:29 <Zakim> +TimCole
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16:03:37 <bjdmeest> Markus: options: 5 or 12 january
Markus Gylling: options: 5 or 12 january ←
16:03:54 <Karen> DBW is 13-15 Jan.
Karen Myers: DBW is 13-15 Jan. ←
16:04:09 <bjdmeest> ... Will enough people be around at the fifth?
... Will enough people be around at the fifth? ←
16:04:09 <pkra> I'll be aroud.
Peter Krautzberger: I'll be aroud. ←
16:04:11 <pkra> around.
Peter Krautzberger: around. ←
16:04:18 <HeatherF> I will be available for both.
Heather Flanagan: I will be available for both. ←
16:04:21 <clapierre1> yes will be there
Charles LaPierre: yes will be there ←
16:04:23 <ivan> I'll be around
Ivan Herman: I'll be around ←
16:04:27 <bjdmeest> \me I'm available
\me I'm available ←
16:04:28 <Karen> Karen not available; at CES in LV
Karen Myers: Karen not available; at CES in LV ←
16:04:29 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'll be available
Bill Kasdorf: I'll be available ←
16:04:30 <TimCole> I'll be around on 5th
Timothy Cole: I'll be around on 5th ←
16:04:36 <AH_Miller> Good dates
Michael Miller: Good dates ←
16:05:05 <bjdmeest> Markus: allright, I will not be available, but everyone else seems to
Markus Gylling: allright, I will not be available, but everyone else seems to ←
16:05:14 <bjdmeest> tzviya: We have a new member
Tzviya Siegman: We have a new member ←
16:05:40 <bjdmeest> Heather: I work with publishing IETF and so on
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16:06:13 <bjdmeest> Markus: [gives new member advice]
Markus Gylling: [gives new member advice] ←
16:06:26 <Karen> Welcome, Heather!
Karen Myers: Welcome, Heather! ←
16:06:31 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
16:07:11 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: Metadata
16:07:43 <madi_> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
Madi Solomon: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ ←
16:07:48 <bjdmeest> Bill: everyone got a look at the draft of the notes
Bill Kasdorf: everyone got a look at the draft of the notes ←
16:07:53 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aaaa
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16:08:14 <bjdmeest> ... We would move on with the publication, without section 2
... We would move on with the publication, without section 2 ←
16:08:29 <bjdmeest> ... Section 2 is replaced by a glossary (appendix A)
... Section 2 is replaced by a glossary (appendix A) ←
16:08:46 <bjdmeest> ... so section 2 is redundant, and section 3 will be renumbered
... so section 2 is redundant, and section 3 will be renumbered ←
16:09:23 <bjdmeest> ... We sensed that this TF would not uncover any serious issues in OWP
... We sensed that this TF would not uncover any serious issues in OWP ←
16:09:42 <bjdmeest> ... while publishers have many metadata issues, the ground of these issues are not part of the OWP
... while publishers have many metadata issues, the ground of these issues are not part of the OWP ←
16:09:50 <bjdmeest> ... some things might be refined
... some things might be refined ←
16:10:03 <HeatherF> no dropouts for me
Heather Flanagan: no dropouts for me ←
16:10:12 <bjdmeest> ... but the problems are :
... but the problems are : ←
16:10:22 <bjdmeest> ... there are a gazillion vocabaries
... there are a gazillion vocabaries ←
16:10:30 <bjdmeest> ... there are very specific vocabularies
... there are very specific vocabularies ←
16:10:39 <Zakim> - +33.6.48.38.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.6.48.38.aaaa ←
16:10:53 <bjdmeest> ... W3C is providing a universal framework
... W3C is providing a universal framework ←
16:11:05 <bjdmeest> ... to express those vocabularies
... to express those vocabularies ←
16:11:13 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aabb ←
16:11:19 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
16:11:23 <HeatherF> ah. That's a good clarification for me; I was wondering if/how the archivist-themed metadata might fit in all this.
Heather Flanagan: ah. That's a good clarification for me; I was wondering if/how the archivist-themed metadata might fit in all this. ←
16:11:44 <bjdmeest> ... We found that there are many different groups working on similar issues
... We found that there are many different groups working on similar issues ←
16:11:48 <Zakim> +Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus ←
16:11:58 <bjdmeest> ... we want them to express withing and between domains the issues they face
... we want them to express withing and between domains the issues they face ←
16:12:29 <bjdmeest> ... they all need to talk to each other
... they all need to talk to each other ←
16:12:45 <bjdmeest> ... the second bullet point
... the second bullet point ←
16:12:57 <bjdmeest> ... tools and manuals of how to use metadata
... tools and manuals of how to use metadata ←
16:13:22 <bjdmeest> ... there were 2 subprojects: how much expressions of ID as URIs are there, and how many works are there about RDF?
... there were 2 subprojects: how much expressions of ID as URIs are there, and how many works are there about RDF? ←
16:13:40 <bjdmeest> ... Madi started with a gigantic list of Identifiers
... Madi started with a gigantic list of Identifiers ←
16:14:09 <bjdmeest> ... a majority of them _can_ be expressed as URIs, many of them _are_ expressed as URIs
... a majority of them _can_ be expressed as URIs, many of them _are_ expressed as URIs ←
16:14:16 <bjdmeest> ... but tends to be siloed
... but tends to be siloed ←
16:14:19 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:14:34 <bjdmeest> ... there are areas where certain IDs are not expressed at all as URIs
... there are areas where certain IDs are not expressed at all as URIs ←
16:14:43 <HeatherF> same
Heather Flanagan: same ←
16:14:45 <Karen> same
Karen Myers: same ←
16:15:24 <bjdmeest> ... ISBN is currently possible to be expressed as a URI
... ISBN is currently possible to be expressed as a URI ←
16:15:42 <bjdmeest> ... In both cases, the lists are not exhaustive
... In both cases, the lists are not exhaustive ←
16:16:03 <TimCole> q+ about identifiers included in list
Timothy Cole: q+ about identifiers included in list ←
16:16:04 <bjdmeest> ... Appendix C also shows a list of RDF-resources
... Appendix C also shows a list of RDF-resources ←
16:16:22 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
16:16:34 <bjdmeest> ... one of our criteria was: would an executive read this?
... one of our criteria was: would an executive read this? ←
16:16:40 <bjdmeest> ... this list is a starting point
... this list is a starting point ←
16:16:58 <bjdmeest> ... the issue is chicken-and-egg: no-one uses it because no-one uses it
... the issue is chicken-and-egg: no-one uses it because no-one uses it ←
16:17:16 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here? ←
16:17:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel, TimCole, +33.6.48.38.aabb, Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel, TimCole, +33.6.48.38.aabb, Markus ←
16:17:17 <bjdmeest> ... What is needed is an expanding of these resources
... What is needed is an expanding of these resources ←
16:17:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi_, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi_, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, ←
16:17:19 <Zakim> ... mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
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16:17:43 <bjdmeest> ... last point is to associate rights metadata with publications
... last point is to associate rights metadata with publications ←
16:17:48 <bjdmeest> ... e.g. ODL
... e.g. ODRL ←
16:18:21 <mgylling> s/ODL/ODRL/
16:19:38 <bjdmeest> ... personally, There should be an underlying framework to work with multiple vocabularies
... personally, There should be an underlying framework to work with multiple vocabularies ←
16:20:18 <bjdmeest> ... conclusion: the more W3C can disseminate specs and technologies to increase the interoperability, the better
... conclusion: the more W3C can disseminate specs and technologies to increase the interoperability, the better ←
16:20:34 <bjdmeest> ... the note also includes the interviews (as mentioned before)
... the note also includes the interviews (as mentioned before) ←
16:20:35 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:20:59 <bjdmeest> tzviya: question: who's the target audience?
Tzviya Siegman: question: who's the target audience? ←
16:21:18 <bjdmeest> ... there is a lot of assumed knowledge of publishing _and_ OWP
... there is a lot of assumed knowledge of publishing _and_ OWP ←
16:21:35 <bjdmeest> ... I think we need one perspective, and a little more targeted
... I think we need one perspective, and a little more targeted ←
16:21:49 <madi_> q
Madi Solomon: q ←
16:22:47 <bjdmeest> Ivan: for W3C the question is: is there any work to be done by W3C?
Ivan Herman: for W3C the question is: is there any work to be done by W3C? ←
16:23:03 <bjdmeest> ... that was the starting position
... that was the starting position ←
16:23:46 <tmichel> who is calling from france with +33.6.48.38.aabb ?
Thierry Michel: who is calling from france with +33.6.48.38.aabb ? ←
16:24:15 <bjdmeest> Madi: I think we should have this one doc, with extra deepening docs
Madi Solomon: I think we should have this one doc, with extra deepening docs ←
16:24:56 <bjdmeest> Bill: This is more a progress reports, we don't want to replicate material that already existed
Bill Kasdorf: This is more a progress reports, we don't want to replicate material that already existed ←
16:25:27 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:25:56 <mgylling> ack TimCole
Markus Gylling: ack TimCole ←
16:26:13 <bjdmeest> TimCole: there are some very usefull documents on the Web
Timothy Cole: there are some very usefull documents on the Web ←
16:26:21 <bjdmeest> ... about URIs etc
... about URIs etc ←
16:26:56 <bjdmeest> ... One of the things that came up: what are good example URIs?
... One of the things that came up: what are good example URIs? ←
16:27:06 <bjdmeest> ... e.g., Google URI is not neutral
... e.g., Google URI is not neutral ←
16:28:00 <bjdmeest> ... the tradeoff: do we want to include useful URIs, even though they are tied to organizations?
... the tradeoff: do we want to include useful URIs, even though they are tied to organizations? ←
16:28:11 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
16:28:12 <Karen> +1 include library communties
Karen Myers: +1 include library communties ←
16:28:44 <bjdmeest> Ivan: [about not including google IDs]
Ivan Herman: [about not including google IDs] ←
16:28:56 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:29:20 <bjdmeest> ... The google way examplifies an organization that does some work for itself, and adds some useable URIs for itself
... The google way examplifies an organization that does some work for itself, and adds some useable URIs for itself ←
16:29:39 <bjdmeest> ... if we do that, we should add more than just Google URIs (e.g., Gutenberg, Europeana, etc)
... if we do that, we should add more than just Google URIs (e.g., Gutenberg, Europeana, etc) ←
16:30:06 <bjdmeest> ... atm, the current URIs are standard or from a group of organizations
... atm, the current URIs are standard or from a group of organizations ←
16:30:20 <bjdmeest> Bill: trade publishers will say: what about Amazon?
Bill Kasdorf: trade publishers will say: what about Amazon? ←
16:30:33 <bjdmeest> Ivan: indeed
Ivan Herman: indeed ←
16:30:43 <bjdmeest> ... We can review the note in a year
... We can review the note in a year ←
16:30:58 <bjdmeest> ... but now, we need to be consistent
... but now, we need to be consistent ←
16:31:23 <bjdmeest> TimCole: do we have text in the note about those IDs (Google, Amazon), that explains the rationale?
Timothy Cole: do we have text in the note about those IDs (Google, Amazon), that explains the rationale? ←
16:31:28 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:31:29 <bjdmeest> Bill: that should be good
Bill Kasdorf: that should be good ←
16:31:57 <bjdmeest> tzviya: Explanation about only listing the non-proprietary IDs would be good
Tzviya Siegman: Explanation about only listing the non-proprietary IDs would be good ←
16:33:07 <bjdmeest> Bill: The note could be publishable with the changes mentioned? (leaving out section to and adding the URI explanation)
Bill Kasdorf: The note could be publishable with the changes mentioned? (leaving out section to and adding the URI explanation) ←
16:33:33 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:33:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
16:33:43 <ivan> PROPOSED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January
PROPOSED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January ←
16:34:15 <Karen> +1 add some context per Tzviya's suggestion
Karen Myers: +1 add some context per Tzviya's suggestion ←
16:34:17 <HeatherF> I think those subsequent projects would be useful
Heather Flanagan: I think those subsequent projects would be useful ←
16:34:27 <bjdmeest> Bill: question: do we want to alude to the point that we want to do subsequent projects?
Bill Kasdorf: question: do we want to alude to the point that we want to do subsequent projects? ←
16:34:58 <bjdmeest> Ivan: ATM, I am not sure that we have reasonable chances to do more projects properly
Ivan Herman: ATM, I am not sure that we have reasonable chances to do more projects properly ←
16:35:06 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:35:12 <mgylling> +1
Markus Gylling: +1 ←
16:35:13 <bjdmeest> +1
+1 ←
16:35:17 <HeatherF> +1
Heather Flanagan: +1 ←
16:35:18 <laudrain> +1
Luc Audrain: +1 ←
16:35:19 <madi_> +1
Madi Solomon: +1 ←
16:35:19 <clapierre1> +1
Charles LaPierre: +1 ←
16:35:20 <pkra> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
16:35:22 <TimCole> +1
Timothy Cole: +1 ←
16:35:25 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
16:35:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
Bill Kasdorf: +1 ←
16:35:44 <dauwhe> +1 with edits suggested by Tzviya
Dave Cramer: +1 with edits suggested by Tzviya ←
16:35:48 <ivan> RESOLUTION: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January (modulo some editing)
RESOLVED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January (modulo some editing) ←
16:36:15 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: A11Y
16:36:21 <AH_Miller> +1
Michael Miller: +1 ←
16:36:23 <clapierre1> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki
Charles LaPierre: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki ←
16:37:16 <bjdmeest> clapierre: The wiki has three sections
Charles LaPierre: The wiki has three sections ←
16:37:59 <bjdmeest> ... We are going to see which techniques are relevant for DPUB
... We are going to see which techniques are relevant for DPUB ←
16:38:24 <bjdmeest> ... then, from that sublist, we go from the google sheets to the wiki
... then, from that sublist, we go from the google sheets to the wiki ←
16:38:36 <bjdmeest> ... as there are a lot of people working on these techniques list
... as there are a lot of people working on these techniques list ←
16:38:48 <bjdmeest> ... afterwards, we will dig into the relevant techniques
... afterwards, we will dig into the relevant techniques ←
16:38:56 <bjdmeest> ... and look for comments, provide examples
... and look for comments, provide examples ←
16:39:20 <bjdmeest> ... our ultimate goal is to create an accessible note on a11y
... our ultimate goal is to create an accessible note on a11y ←
16:39:39 <bjdmeest> ... with comments of what publishers should be aware of, and what we might need
... with comments of what publishers should be aware of, and what we might need ←
16:39:53 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
16:40:05 <bjdmeest> ... I am not sure if we need to be concerned about ARIA, except for UAAG WCAG and ATAG
... I am not sure if we need to be concerned about ARIA, except for UAAG WCAG and ATAG ←
16:40:21 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
16:40:50 <bjdmeest> Bill_K: observation: what is your target audience?
Bill Kasdorf: observation: what is your target audience? ←
16:40:56 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:41:44 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we want guidelines for publishers, not for W3C recommendation
Charles LaPierre: we want guidelines for publishers, not for W3C recommendation ←
16:42:03 <bjdmeest> ... if there are gaps, we would escalate that to protocols and standards, for example
... if there are gaps, we would escalate that to protocols and standards, for example ←
16:42:03 <mgylling> ack Ivan
Markus Gylling: ack Ivan ←
16:42:52 <bjdmeest> Ivan: question: whether the 3 docs (WCAG etc) cover what the publishers need
Ivan Herman: question: whether the 3 docs (WCAG etc) cover what the publishers need ←
16:43:01 <bjdmeest> ... that needs to be answered to the W3C groups
... that needs to be answered to the W3C groups ←
16:43:12 <bjdmeest> ... this is easier than metadata, easier to separate
... this is easier than metadata, easier to separate ←
16:43:32 <bjdmeest> ... 2nd question: what are the used techniques
... 2nd question: what are the used techniques ←
16:43:43 <bjdmeest> ... again, less of a problem then for metadata TF
... again, less of a problem then for metadata TF ←
16:44:12 <bjdmeest> ... [about ARIA] that work is very different, this TF should focus on the current 3, and put ARIA aside for the moment
... [about ARIA] that work is very different, this TF should focus on the current 3, and put ARIA aside for the moment ←
16:44:27 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:44:56 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
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16:45:00 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:45:39 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we just got the google sheets done, and linked from our wiki, now it is a matter of filtering the content
Charles LaPierre: we just got the google sheets done, and linked from our wiki, now it is a matter of filtering the content ←
16:45:55 <bjdmeest> ... we will concentrate in the first quarter of 2015 if the status is good
... we will concentrate in the first quarter of 2015 if the status is good ←
16:46:27 <bjdmeest> tzviya: concern: It looks like an enormeous amount of work, do you have enough resources to move forward?
Tzviya Siegman: concern: It looks like an enormeous amount of work, do you have enough resources to move forward? ←
16:46:50 <bjdmeest> clapierre: I will link to the google sheets, then everybody can edit
Charles LaPierre: I will link to the google sheets, then everybody can edit ←
16:47:46 <bjdmeest> Markus: [about whether this is the right approach] I certainly think they are not out of scope, this is very relevant work
Markus Gylling: [about whether this is the right approach] I certainly think they are not out of scope, this is very relevant work ←
16:48:04 <bjdmeest> ... starting with the guideline trio is good to me
... starting with the guideline trio is good to me ←
16:48:46 <bjdmeest> ... covering DPUB needs in these documents using ARIA? No, ARIA covers very rudimentary html pages, not books or magazines
... covering DPUB needs in these documents using ARIA? No, ARIA covers very rudimentary html pages, not books or magazines ←
16:48:56 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:48:57 <bjdmeest> ... we don't need to throw ourselves at that right now
... we don't need to throw ourselves at that right now ←
16:49:18 <bjdmeest> Markus: [about resources] what is your timeline for hitting a first readable version?
Markus Gylling: [about resources] what is your timeline for hitting a first readable version? ←
16:49:30 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we are with a dozen or less, we could be a lot bigger
Charles LaPierre: we are with a dozen or less, we could be a lot bigger ←
16:49:39 <bjdmeest> .. if anyone is interested, we need some extra help
.. if anyone is interested, we need some extra help ←
16:50:11 <bjdmeest> ... this TF has always had a difficulty to find people
... this TF has always had a difficulty to find people ←
16:50:35 <bjdmeest> ... a lot of people, a lot of timezones (for organizing conf calls)
... a lot of people, a lot of timezones (for organizing conf calls) ←
16:50:50 <bjdmeest> ... I hope to get something by the end of the first quarter
... I hope to get something by the end of the first quarter ←
16:51:13 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aacc
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16:51:16 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:51:16 <bjdmeest> ... Once experts have determined what is relevant, we can go from the google sheets to the Wiki
... Once experts have determined what is relevant, we can go from the google sheets to the Wiki ←
16:51:23 <bjdmeest> ... but no fixed timeline
... but no fixed timeline ←
16:51:49 <bjdmeest> Markus: So, once all google sheets are ready, they are all fed into the wiki?
Markus Gylling: So, once all google sheets are ready, they are all fed into the wiki? ←
16:51:53 <bjdmeest> clapierre: yes
Charles LaPierre: yes ←
16:52:20 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Luc
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16:52:20 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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16:52:36 <bjdmeest> Markus: There is a lot of work
Markus Gylling: There is a lot of work ←
16:52:45 <bjdmeest> ... How can the IG stay connected to this?
... How can the IG stay connected to this? ←
16:53:16 <bjdmeest> clapierre: I don't have any ideas, tzviay is on our TF as well
Charles LaPierre: I don't have any ideas, tzviay is on our TF as well ←
16:53:59 <bjdmeest> tzviya: It would be good to have a (bi-)weekly telcon, maybe on alternating timezones
Tzviya Siegman: It would be good to have a (bi-)weekly telcon, maybe on alternating timezones ←
16:54:47 <bjdmeest> ... to have, e.g., something finished by the end of january, and DPUB issues can be solved starting from february
... to have, e.g., something finished by the end of january, and DPUB issues can be solved starting from february ←
16:55:14 <bjdmeest> Markus: that concludes today, and that concludes this year
Markus Gylling: that concludes today, and that concludes this year ←
16:55:27 <bjdmeest> ... next telcon on january 5th 2015
... next telcon on january 5th 2015 ←
16:55:35 <HeatherF> Thanks all!
Heather Flanagan: Thanks all! ←
16:55:43 <pkra> happy holidays!
Peter Krautzberger: happy holidays! ←
16:55:43 <laudrain> happy new year
Luc Audrain: happy new year ←
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16:55:56 <mgylling> +regrets Ayla
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