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<scribe> scribe: Brett
<scribe> scribenick: brett
Jeff: Possible meeting
objectives: explain Headlights and changes for 2014. Hearing
your ideas for Headlights. Presenting a couple of my
ideas.
... Presented this at AC meeting, but can provide more detail
here.
... Always incremental changes in W3C projects, but big changes
are more interesting, especially when we don't see them
coming.
... It's important to try to foresee those issues as much as
possible.
... First headlights was two years ago. Last year's was more
intensive.
... Some focused on the Web. We've worked on Web Payments
before, but never looked at from a standards framework
perspective.
... Result is a workshop for spring 2014.
... HTML5 performance. This has been a source of criticism in
the past. Looking at end-to-end issues. Some stem from
JavaScript, or best practices.
... Closing the Gap, you heard about from Dom.
... Some headlights look at W3C as an organization. Look at how
groups upgrade from CGs to WGs.
... Talked about anniversaries: 25th of Web, 20th of W3C.
Probably a big event around TPAC next year.
... Talked about W3C brand: Web site, a dashboard for AC
representatives.
... I wrote a blog post with a summary of each project.
... Running Headlights again in 2014.
... We need ideas about what's going to cause change in the
future.
... We're looking to reallocate our resources.
... In 2013, Headlights were an internal process. Ideas were
nominated by staff, then some Members participated
afterward.
... Now we're opening it up to the community earlier. We're
starting the search for topics now.
... First we'll gather proposals, then whittle down the list,
then decide on action. At June AC meeting, we'll discuss the
results, then W3M will assign resources.
... Mailed the AC two weeks ago outlining all this and asking
for their ideas.
... We're inviting suggestions on a wiki.
... We can add to the wiki during this breakout.
... Would like to hear your ideas. Otherwise, I'll share a few
of mine.
... Eager to jumpstart the process.
Michael: Wondering about
relationship between Headlights and HTML5 stabilization.
... Sounds like ideas may lead to new features in hypothetical
HTML6 or 7.
... Wondering what kind of cadence we should expect for
stabilization of features.
Jeff: HTML5 is on schedule to
reach Recommendation in about a year. Features are already
frozen.
... Probably no new ideas going into HTML5. Maybe something
sufficiently small and important.
... HTML WG is working on a number of extension specifications.
Many of them are on track to be part of HTML5.1.
... Anything coming from Headlights would also likely go
there.
Michael: When is HTML5.1 expected to be finalized?
Jeff: Goal is 2016. That is much
faster than previous releases.
... We'd like to be that fast. HTML4 was 1999. We'll do better,
but I'm not sure how much better.
Michael: Headlights topics should
be followed up with implementation from browser vendors.
... Can there be such a commitment?
Jeff: Proposal can start
anywhere. You ultimately need browser implementation to
succeed.
... When we started Web & TV IG, browsers were not very
interested. We got them involved by building this traction,
with connections within and without W3C. All that was necessary
for success.
... We may start work on an idea without browser vendor buy-in
at first if we think it's sufficiently important.
Michael: Would Headlights lead to new BGs or IGs in general?
Jeff: Usually yes, but sometimes
it takes a while.
... First Headlights started too late, so many projects weren't
completed.
... We've only had one successful year. Goal is to generally
lead to that formation.
... e.g., Social last year. We're just now starting a Social
WG.
Michael: Many SDOs deal with
HTML5 to accommodate needs for their business. e.g., HDTV in
Europe building their own extensions.
... From their point of view, it's their standard. From W3C's,
it's a bit of fragmentation.
... Is it possible to merge this work into core spec in the
end? Or is divergence natural?
Jeff: What did Web & TV IG
say?
... I think that's the right place to ask.
... Guiseppe would know better than me.
... We have a liaison. On a couple of items, when they've told
us their intentions, we've told them our preference that they
bring that work to W3C.
... It's an issue, but we are trying to move spec work into
W3C.
Dong Ping: Developers use JavaScript to develop 3D graphics on the Web, but it's not very efficient.
scribe: Wondering about status of Declarative 3D CG.
Jeff: CGs are generally not
Recommendation track yet, just a group studying the
topic.
... We could create a proposal here.
Dong Ping: Would like to see W3C put features in HTML spec to make it easier to create 3D content, akin to CSS animation.
[Jeff walks through the process of adding this idea to the Headlights wiki.]
<scribe> scribenick: jeff
Dong Ping: Bodywear device; wearable device
scribe: Can the web do somthing - small screen device
Jeff: Could be part of Web of things
<brett> 3D support in HTML Headlights proposal
<brett> scribenick: brett
Jeff: I generally prefer to get
input from the community, but sometimes I have my own
ideas.
... When I do, I write it down, and wait to see if someone else
adds it.
... Later on in the process, I'll add any of my own that
haven't been covered already.
<jeff> >>> Digital marketing
<jeff> >>> Web of Things
<jeff> >> Next steps on DNT
<jeff> > Securing the Web
<jeff> Impact of HTTP2 on the Web architecture
Jeff: Here's what I'm sitting on
right now.
... DNT is just scratching the surface of that issue - what's
next in the larger issue?
... I'd prefer to hear from subject matter experts on these
issues.
[We revisit the HTML 3D proposal.]
scribe: Feel free to extend,
modify, or even delete this proposal.
... It's now linked from the main Headlights wiki.
... Any other proposals?
... Thank you all.
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