<trackbot> Date: 31 October 2013

<dka> Chair Dan

<dka> Boo!

<dka> Scribe: anne

<dka> Scribenick: annevk_

<annevk> scribe: annevk

JSON

HT: Wendy will be in Vancouver next week for the IETF meeting. Following some initial exploration with her and Philipe she will contact the chairs of the IETF JSON WG.

DRM / EME

<ht> DKA agreed that we would wait to hear from Wendy before taking our own response to the JSON WG forward

DA: Henry, you seem to be suggesting DRM as a work item for the TAG.

HT: I am not competent technically in this area to take this forward.
... I felt a real lack of technical discussion. I got some of that from Henri and other contributors.
... I would prefer less ideological discussion.
... I am interested in knowing whether Tim would like a Task Force.

DA: If we do that we need to find someone who is sufficiently neutral.

HT: I think we should have a Task Force and find someone who is on both sides of the ideological gap.

DA: I will take that up with Tim in China.

Securing the Web

DA: We talked about this during the F2F. Every day I see a headline that relates to this.
... If we want a TAG recommendation here, we should get started.
... I am going to take the list we have and put it on our GitHub.
... I will make a start, but I will need people to fill in the details.
... So the question is, are we all on board with the list? Do we want to take this on as a work item?

<dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/01-minutes.html#item04

list ^^

<dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/whiteboard-security.jpg

<scribe> ACTION: Dan to start on the securing the web document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/31-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-843 - Start on the securing the web document. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2013-11-07].

Custom elements

AvK: So the custom elements proposal looks okay. What I wonder is what existing browsers are doing for their own elements and whether the right hooks are exposed
... However, figuring that out is a rather large undertaking and I'm not sure whether I have the time
... I have been trying to find someone else to do it, but no luck so far

Election

DA: I will issue a call for new TAG members with a security background.

<twirl> +1

<twirl> https://github.com/twirl/spec-reviews/blob/master/2013/10/Web%20Animations.md

Web Animations

SK: I put up a review [see link above] for this specification. Please give me feedback!

HTTPbis

HT: The drafts (HTTP/1.1 revision) have gone in Last Call.
... I'm working on producing feedback on content negotiation.

<ht> text/html 80.9G

<ht> 2.9

<ht> 5.40G

<ht> 6.7

<ht> text/xml 40.1G

<ht> 1.5

<ht> 26.5G

<ht> 66.1

<ht> application/xml 14.1G

<ht> 0.5

<ht> 60.0M

<ht> 0.4

WebRTC codecs

<ht> So, hugely differing hit rates for text/html, text/xml and application/xml

<dka> https://brendaneich.com/2013/10/ciscos-h-264-good-news/

DA: The IETF will make a decision regarding a required baseline codec.
... VP8 vs H264

<ht> those lines above read as type total bytes;percent of 2.8T bytes total;bytes found in cache; percent bytes found in cache

DA: One of the issues has been that H264 has no RF status, but Cisco has announced they'll release free binaries for which they'll pay the royalties.

<ht> I wonder if video codecs might go the same way -- probably not. . .

AVK: MPEG LA has a cap money-wise so Cisco will pay that. Everyone will have to use their implementation without modification and it will have to be fetched from their server before usage.
... My understanding is that it's slightly better than the status quo, but far from ideal given that there's a single implementation. Innovation is not allowed. Security issues will be shared. As Brendan Eich said, hopefully this will make it required for new codecs to be at least gratis.

China

DA: Anne and I want to discuss better developer outreach. Everyone welcome to join.

<dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/whiteboard-upcoming.jpg

<dka> On the top of that image

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