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16:58:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
16:58:57 <trackbot> Date: 31 October 2013
16:59:06 <dka> dka has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-10-31-TC
16:59:23 <dka> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-10-31-TC
16:59:25 <dka> Chair Dan
16:59:35 <dka> Boo!
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17:03:31 <annevk_> Zakim, [IP is me
17:03:31 <Zakim> +annevk_; got it
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17:03:56 <dka> zakim, who is here?
17:03:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see dka, plinss, twirl, annevk_, ht (muted)
17:03:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, twirl, Zakim, RRSAgent, dka, annevk_, darobin, wycats_, trackbot, plinss, bkardell, slightlyoff, Yves
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17:05:07 <dka> Scribe: anne
17:05:21 <dka> Scribenick: annevk_
17:05:45 <annevk> scribe: annevk
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17:06:11 <annevk> chair: dka
17:06:53 <annevk> Topic: JSON
17:08:26 <annevk> HT: Wendy will be in Vancouver next week for the IETF meeting. Following some initial exploration with her and Philipe she will contact the chair of the IETF JSON WG.
17:08:38 <ht> s/chair/chairs/
17:12:30 <annevk> Topic: DRM / EME
17:12:58 <ht> DKA agreed that we would wait to hear from Wendy before taking our own response to the JSON WG forward
17:13:13 <annevk> DA: Henry, you seem to be suggesting DRM as a work item for the TAG.
17:13:57 <annevk> HT: I am not competent technically in this area to take this forward.
17:14:42 <annevk> HT: I felt a real lack of technical discussion. I got some of that from Henri and other contributors.
17:15:24 <annevk> HT: I would prefer less ideological discussion.
17:15:45 <annevk> HT: I am interested in knowing whether Tim would like a Task Force.
17:15:58 <annevk> DA: If we do that we need to find someone who is sufficiently neutral.
17:17:08 <annevk> HT: I think we should have a Task Force and find someone who is on both sides of the ideological gap.
17:17:26 <annevk> DA: I will take that up with Tim in China.
17:17:55 <Zakim> -twirl
17:18:02 <annevk> Topic: Securing the Web
17:18:11 <Zakim> +??P7
17:18:29 <annevk> DA: We talked about this during the F2F. Every day I see a headline that relates to this.
17:18:45 <annevk> DA: If we want a TAG recommendation here, we should get started.
17:19:01 <annevk> DA: I am going to take the list we have and put it on our GitHub.
17:19:21 <annevk> DA: I will make a start, but I will need people to fill in the details.
17:19:55 <annevk> DA: So the question is, are we all on board with the list? Do we want to take this on as a work item?
17:20:26 <dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/01-minutes.html#item04
17:20:41 <annevk> list ^^
17:21:05 <dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/whiteboard-security.jpg
17:22:20 <annevk> ACTION: Dan to start on the securing the web document.
17:22:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-843 - Start on the securing the web document. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2013-11-07].
17:22:26 <annevk> Topic: Custom elements
17:24:10 <annevk> AvK: So the custom elements proposal looks okay. What I wonder is what existing browsers are doing for their own elements and whether the right hooks are exposed
17:24:29 <annevk> AvK: However, figuring that out is a rather large undertaking and I'm not sure whether I have the time
17:24:39 <annevk> AvK: I have been trying to find someone else to do it, but no luck so far
17:26:00 <dka> zakim, who is here?
17:26:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see dka, plinss, annevk_, ht, twirl
17:26:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see timbl, marcosc, ht, twirl, Zakim, RRSAgent, dka, annevk, wycats_, trackbot, plinss, bkardell, slightlyoff, Yves
17:26:35 <annevk> Topic: Election
17:26:55 <annevk> DA: I will issue a call for new TAG members with a security background.
17:27:03 <twirl> +1
17:27:24 <twirl> https://github.com/twirl/spec-reviews/blob/master/2013/10/Web%20Animations.md
17:28:08 <annevk> Topic: Web Animations
17:28:27 <annevk> SK: I put up a review [see link above] for this specification. Please give me feedback!
17:28:48 <annevk> Topic: HTTPbis
17:29:13 <annevk> HT: The drafts (HTTP/1.1 revision) have gone in Last Call.
17:29:25 <annevk> HT: I'm working on producing feedback on content negotiation.
17:29:52 <ht> text/html	80.9G
17:29:52 <ht> 2.9
17:29:52 <ht> 5.40G
17:29:52 <ht> 6.7
17:30:56 <ht> text/xml	40.1G
17:30:56 <ht> 1.5
17:30:56 <ht> 26.5G
17:30:56 <ht> 66.1
17:32:23 <ht> application/xml	14.1G
17:32:24 <ht> 0.5
17:32:24 <ht> 60.0M
17:32:24 <ht> 0.4
17:32:39 <annevk> Topic: WebRTC codecs
17:32:48 <ht> So, hugely differing hit rates for text/html, text/xml and application/xml
17:33:01 <dka> https://brendaneich.com/2013/10/ciscos-h-264-good-news/
17:33:02 <annevk> DA: The IETF will make a decision regarding a required baseline codec.
17:33:14 <annevk> DA: VP8 vs H264
17:33:37 <Zakim> -twirl
17:33:50 <ht> those lines above read as type total bytes;percent of 2.8T bytes total;bytes found in cache; percent bytes found in cache
17:34:04 <annevk> DA: One of the issues has been that H264 has no RF status, but Cisco has announced they'll release free binaries for which they'll pay the royalties.
17:34:06 <Zakim> +??P5
17:35:28 <ht> I wonder if video codecs might go the same way -- probably not. . .
17:35:43 <annevk> AVK: MPEG LA has a cap money-wise so Cisco will pay that. Everyone will have to use their implementation without modification and it will have to be fetched from their server before usage.
17:38:41 <annevk> AVK: My understanding is that it's slightly better than the status quo, but far from ideal given that there's a single implementation. Innovation is not allowed. Security issues will be shared. As Brendan Eich said, hopefully this will make it required for new codecs to be at least gratis.
17:39:09 <annevk> Topic: China
17:39:27 <annevk> DA: Anne and I want to discuss better developer outreach. Everyone welcome to join.
17:39:56 <dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2013/10/whiteboard-upcoming.jpg
17:40:03 <dka> On the top of that image
17:42:05 <annevk> </adjourned halloween="on">
17:42:10 <dka> boo!
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17:42:16 <annevk> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:42:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/31-tagmem-minutes.html annevk
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17:42:30 <annevk> Zakim: dude, I was annevk
17:42:57 <Zakim> -ht
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17:42:59 <Zakim> Attendees were dka, plinss, twirl, [IPcaller], annevk_, ht
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