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<dom> High priority topics
marcosc: we have asked people to
send the items that they wish to focus on
... the list we got back came from new members and some stuff
from coremob, bridge the gap etc.
... we have a list, it may not be complete, but is a good
general list of items to focus on
... we want to try to focus on few items on this list
... so we can make good use of the time we have
dom: i would like to hear from
people on the call what they think
... I see things on the as being logical next steps
... we should identify a leader for each item and a proposed
action plan
... for each item
... another thing that would be useful is identifying whatever
mobile needs gets attention throughout the w3c
... so it would be helpful for us to identify this
... another great topic is the web security topic
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest a few approaches
dom: let me give an example of
how management has been involved in groups in the past
... jeff jaffe was involved in pushing html5 to becoming a
standard
... if we think we need to use the W3C staff to drive a
specification then I have been tasked with this
... it could be getting more staff to be involved in outreach,
testing, etc.
... so please let me know
dka: we have been having a
conversation in the mailing list
... i posted something related to APIs
... i made a comment that we would have some research to
share
... marcosc asked if we could share this
... the research looked at the gap between html and native
apis
<Jo_> zakim ??p16 is me
dka: i don't see apis on this
list
... so i see this as a gap in our understanding
dom: what is currently in the
list is what was happening at the time
... we hoped people would be free to add addtional topics
... on whether apis should be on the list: I think the
responses on the mailing list was it wasn't entirely clear how
it was applicable to the web
<Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to observe that we appear to be short of survey results, quantification in general and to observe that missing features is a broader topic than APIs
dka: I would like to add it to the list, and perhaps we might be able to add a workstream to this
Jo_: i believe there is an
important topic around apis and the gap with native
... from my perspective web apis will always be somewhat
behind
... as native doesn't need standardisation
... i would like to see native-comparable apis
... and also need to see what needs to be delevoped for the
future outside of this
<dom> +1 on unavoidable lag between native and Web; the question is what APIs would feel the most important piece of the gap
dka: i believe there are certain key APIs that devs want to use that are stopping them from using the web
Jo_: we need some survey and
quantification here
... this can help us push forward
marcosc: we need to take a look
at a list and find some consensus
... we should have a debate on the list
... there was some issues with the research so we should come
back to this
<Jo_> I want to be clear that filling the gaps in APIs needs to be based on research and preferably not opinionation of activists, since most activity does not occur amongst activists
dom: i think this all feeds into buildng an action plan
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest this would make a good part of building the action plan
dom: our first step is to determine what apis
schuki: gap with native is the same as api work I think
Jo_: I haven;t seen a response from others
<dom> Tobie on methodology to determine gaps
<Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that he did not complete original point which is to note that APIs though important are only part of the question
Jo_: we shouldn't ignore
offline
... should we lay out what we think is 'effective'
marcosc: we should try to identify a leader for offline
dom: lets quickly describe what
we would expect from people leading the dicussion?
... my prespective is [1] a status update [2] find the main
players [3] working with these people to identify tasks which
are important [4] identify people to help
dan: is this part of closing the gap?
marcosc: that is in scope
too
... handling background events
<dom> ACTION: marcos to propose action plan for "offline" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Propose action plan for "offline" [on Marcos Caceres - due 2013-11-06].
dom: marcos let's add you to be the leader here
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60
<dom> ACTION-60?
<trackbot> ACTION-60 -- Natasha Rooney to Propose action plan for "offline" -- due 2013-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest assigning a lead on each topic (starting with offline :)
<Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that the chairs can't be the only people offering to "work"
dom, Jo_: we need help from all the members to produce the work!
dka: I would like us to
help
... I am trying to find additional people from telefonica to
help
... and +1 to adding effort to this
marcosc: does anyone feel strongly about effort there?
dom: I think storage quota is also important
schuki: does it need it's own topic?
dom: not sure if we should or
not
... we should leave that connection to be established /
varified later
schuki: it could be a separate topic, but it will cross over to offline a lot
marcosc: i think it still could
be a separate topic with how many other implications it
has
... any volunteers?
<dka> +1 to it being an important topic
dom: people may want to volunteer off the call
<dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for a volunteer on storage quota management [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Ask for a volunteer on storage quota management [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2013-11-06].
dom: so let's ask the list, otherwise i will take it
<Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to return to the question of assessing "suer" demand in a systematic way
Jo_: I am really interested in seeing whether w3c cn do some research into why developers aren't getting involved in the web on mobile
<dom> Some links to existing surveys
marcosc: the homescreen
bookmarking case is important for mozilla
... for a browser vendors / implmeneters point of view this is
important
<Jo_> thanks to dom for that, how can we use those results? how can we improve them?
dom: what do we mean by users?
end users or developers
... i was thinking about doing a survey on what developers
want
... but surveys are difficult and some orgs (vision mobile)
have done one
... if we want to do a survey on our own then we may be able to
get the resources
... but there must be a good reason
... and we need someone to take the lead here
marcosc: we may need help from a sociologist
dom: and statisticians etc.
<dom> Jo, would you have any interest in exploring the opportunity for a W3C survey in this space?
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on surveys
<dom> TPAC F2F
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face
<dom> ACTION: Natasha to update TPAC agenda based on Oct 30 call discussions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Update tpac agenda based on oct 30 call discussions [on Natasha Rooney - due 2013-11-06].
<dka> I will be there - I can help.
schuki: please send me any suggestions for the TPAC agenda
marcosc: thank-you all!