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<trackbot> Date: 03 October 2013
<olivier> tobie! do you have a bot inviting you to a channel whenever someone says "testing"? :)
<ehsan> and also padenot
<ehsan> ;)
<padenot> right
<ehsan> cwilso: thanks!
:)
If I've learned nothing else, I've learned a few Zakim commands. So there's that. :)
<scribe> scribenick: cwilso
<ehsan> lol
<olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
ot: looking at action items, let's take up action-74
action-75
<trackbot> action-75 -- Ehsan Akhgari to Add issue in github about disconnected scriptprocessornode, mention to be added in the spec -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/75
action-74
<trackbot> action-74 -- Chris Wilson to Create an issue in github, summarise thread at http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-audio/2013julsep/thread.html#msg1812 -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/74
<olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg1812
https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/8#issuecomment-25551065
<olivier> close action-74
<trackbot> Closed action-74.
<olivier> close action-76
<trackbot> Closed action-76.
<olivier> close action-77
<trackbot> Closed action-77.
<olivier> action-66 due in 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-66 Look into what dezippering in webkit was based on due date to 2013-10-17.
<olivier> action-69 due in 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-69 Tidy up "how to contribute" section in wiki due date to 2013-10-17.
<olivier> action-70 due in 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-70 Look into migrating all webaudio issues from bugzilla to github due date to 2013-10-17.
ot: this is pending, looking into with system team on how to do without spamming list.
action-73?
<trackbot> action-73 -- Paul Adenot to Document resolution of issue 127 (keep must) and add issue for the addition of a mathematically accurate oscillator -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/73
<olivier> action-73 closed
<trackbot> Closed action-73.
ot: resulted in GH issue
#244.
... last ACTION: action-75?
action-75?
<trackbot> action-75 -- Ehsan Akhgari to Add issue in github about disconnected scriptprocessornode, mention to be added in the spec -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/75
<olivier> close action-75
<trackbot> Closed action-75.
ot: done with open actions
... 1) is anyone working on tests, and 2) does anyone have
plans to submit batches of tests?
ea: not on our side, that I know of.
jn: I know of no plans on our side
cw: low priority on our side as well. :(
ot: I know we have one engineer
who is working on looking at tests
... Anthony has been looking at a way to create simple tests
where the output of the WA API is compared to a reference
created in pure JS
... feedback from him so far is that it's a bit difficult to
work on this.
ds: I have mental problems.
ot: since there doesn't seem to
be a specific style guide for creating tests in WPTests, it's a
bit wild west.
... any notes on testing question?
ea: did Anthony look at the
testing work we have in Gecko?
... will dig up notes on Gecko's testing
ot: let's skip agendum 3, move on to 4.
<olivier> cwilso: wanted to raise topic of unprefixing on blink end
<olivier> ... knowing moz wants to ship unprefixed soon
<olivier> ... we want to ship uprefixed web audio
<olivier> ... need to know support from other vendors
<olivier> ... thoughts from the crowd?
<olivier> ... we plan to support prefixed webaudio, not support old names/interfaces in unprefixed mode
<olivier> ... and migrate people to unprefixed as quickly as possible, then remove support for prefixed
<olivier> ehsan: we support this
<ehsan> olivier: this is the link for the testing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg12
<olivier> ... plan to ship unprefixed in FF25
<ehsan> \o/
<olivier> olivier: documentation for unprefixed webaudio?
<olivier> shepazu: still a bit rough, but it's there on webplatform docs
<olivier> ... notice MDN has great doc
<olivier> ... would it be OK to include it into WPDocs?
<olivier> ehsan: don't see any reason why anyone would object
<olivier> ACTION: shepazu to make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio [on Doug Schepers - due 2013-10-10].
<olivier> shepazu: maybe worth having a specific piece about the unprefixing?
<olivier> ... and make sure other docs are in sync
<olivier> cwilso: we will post something, probably not huge. Will post updates to html5rocks too
<olivier> shepazu: cwilso, I know you will talk at html5 dev conf, that's an opportunity to talk about this
ot: Jer, what's your plan?
jn: we have a longer cycle; next
window of opportunity is (with disclaimer of we don't talk
about future plans) when next OS release is shipped.
... similar with iOS Safari.
<ehsan> shepazu: absolutely!
cw: knowing that Chrome is going to start disabling plugin support, and Mozilla has click-to-play, the lifetime of the plugin-based polyfill is coming to an end. I wanted to drum up some moral support for the API - for review and support, at least.
ea: it's not that we don't take
MIDI seriously, it's that we haven't had the bandwidth to
review it.
... going to last call seems premature
ot: need to indicate maturity,
and garner review
... inside BBC, people are warming up to the idea of connecting
devices
... definitely have interest in using it
<olivier> cwilso: understand that this is not really important until you have a solid web audio implementation, but I might have to drop it if it doesn't get more momentum
<olivier> cwilso: there is demand for it from people who'd code for it
<olivier> ... but without support from implementors (not necessarily implementation)
<olivier> ea: can't commit to a time, we don't have the right resources at the moment.
<olivier> ... have you talked to Apple/MS about it?
cw: have not re-approached Apple, but can do that; until MS gets interested in Web Audio, not sure there's much point in approaching them.
<olivier> olivier: are you basically looking for a statement saying "this is a good use case and looks reasonable as implementation"
<olivier> cwilso: would like a statement saying "it is a good idea to add this" from someone having read the spec at implementors'
ot: as a WG, we are supposed to
give the world a sign we're still alive
... are supposed to publish drafts approx every 3 months
last public WD was December '12.
ot: we need to plan for the next
heartbeat draft. We should get changes done, and get consensus
to publish.
... cw, what is your feeling on suitability of the drafts?
<olivier> cwilso: the MIDI draft, I really want to get the mapclass fixed before we republish
<olivier> ... atm it is an array, which is not appropriate
<olivier> ... I have a branch where the solutions isn't quite right either
<olivier> ... the solution in the issue is to use mapclass
<olivier> ... which is not quite clear - discussion in public-script-coord
<olivier> ... can be nailed down
<olivier> cwilso: if we have a hard target, and I have a week to schedule it, I think I can get it done
<olivier> cwilso: on the audio api, there have been a lot of changes
<olivier> ... we don't have those in the editor's draft
<olivier> ... even what we have in the editor's draft would be good to publish as a public WD
<olivier> cwilso: mentions periodicwave
cw: in short: in MIDI, I'd like to hammer out the MapClass change to inputs/outputs; on Web Audio, I'd find it useful even to publish what we have (but am okay with my co-editor hammering out changes prior)
pa: I think it's okay to publish one now and one later; we do have a bunch of changes we want to make, like ??? [didn't hear], but we could do that in a month or so.
ot: hearing no objections, I think we should publish a new Web Audio API Working Draft ASAP.
CW: we should add Paul and myself to the editors prior to publishing.
<olivier> http://webaudio.github.io/web-audio-api/
ot: we should change the editor's draft link as well
<olivier> ACTION: paul to change editors names and editor's draft link in web-audio draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Change editors names and editor's draft link in web-audio draft [on Paul Adenot - due 2013-10-10].
OT: I'll see when we can publish that, although I'll be travelling in the week to come.
<olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg1928
<olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/milestones?with_issues=no
<olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues?page=1&state=open
ot: we agreed we'd use milestones
for milestones - V1, Vnext, and last call. Whenever you have a
bit of time, we should tag the current open issues (select
milestones with no issues)
... do we need a tag for things that are urgent?
cw: something that means "should be discussed at next TC" might be good
ot: whether that needs to be a tag or not is unclear...
ot: next TC: October 17th?
<olivier> Oct 17
ot: sold!
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