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15:20:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
15:20:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
15:20:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
15:20:43 <trackbot> Date: 03 October 2013
15:20:51 <olivier> Chair: olivier
15:21:01 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/1940.html
15:21:11 <olivier> Agenda+ review of action items
15:21:48 <olivier> Agenda+ state of testing
15:24:41 <olivier> Agenda+ issues tagging
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15:38:02 <olivier> tobie! do you have a bot inviting you to a channel whenever someone says "testing"? :)
15:40:49 <olivier> RRSAgent, stop
15:54:49 <olivier> Regrets: joe, gmandyam, clowis
15:55:03 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs publoc
15:55:06 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs public
15:55:13 <olivier> rrsagent, pointer?
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-irc#T15-55-13
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15:56:18 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
15:56:25 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
15:56:46 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
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15:57:14 <cwilso> zakim, who is here?
15:57:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Mozilla], +1.650.214.aaaa
15:57:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see cwilso, ehsan, rtoyg_, tobie, Zakim, RRSAgent, jernoble, colinbdclark, shepazu, paul___irish, rtoyg, mdjp, milk, heath, olivier, chrislowis, padenot, toyoshiAw,
15:57:15 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:57:26 <cwilso> zakim, aaaa has cwilso, rtoyg
15:57:26 <Zakim> +cwilso, rtoyg; got it
15:57:33 <padenot> Zakim, Mozilla is ehsan and padenot
15:57:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Mozilla is ehsan and padenot', padenot
15:57:40 <padenot> Zakim, Mozilla is ehsan
15:57:40 <Zakim> +ehsan; got it
15:57:46 <ehsan> and also padenot
15:57:48 <ehsan> ;)
15:57:49 <Zakim> +??P3
15:57:56 <jernoble> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:57:56 <Zakim> +jernoble; got it
15:57:57 <cwilso> zakim, ehsan has padenot
15:57:57 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
15:58:04 <padenot> right
15:58:04 <ehsan> cwilso: thanks!
15:58:06 <cwilso> :)
15:58:27 <cwilso> If I've learned nothing else, I've learned a few Zakim commands.  So there's that.  :)
15:59:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:45 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:59:45 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
16:00:00 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
16:00:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see ehsan, +1.650.214.aaaa, jernoble, olivier
16:00:03 <Zakim> +1.650.214.aaaa has cwilso, rtoyg
16:00:03 <Zakim> ehsan has padenot
16:00:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see cwilso, ehsan, rtoyg_, tobie, Zakim, RRSAgent, jernoble, shepazu, paul___irish, rtoyg, mdjp, milk, heath, olivier, chrislowis, padenot, toyoshiAw, trackbot
16:01:05 <olivier> agenda?
16:01:16 <olivier> zakim, pick a victim
16:01:48 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #audio
16:01:55 <olivier> zakim, pick a victim
16:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, olivier, I don't know what conference this is
16:02:01 <cwilso> zakim, this is audio
16:02:01 <Zakim> ok, cwilso; that matches RWC_Audio()12:00PM
16:02:02 <olivier> zakim, this is audio
16:02:03 <Zakim> olivier, this was already RWC_Audio()12:00PM
16:02:03 <Zakim> ok, olivier; that matches RWC_Audio()12:00PM
16:02:05 <olivier> zakim, pick a victim
16:02:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +1.650.214.aaaa
16:02:20 <cwilso> scribenick: cwilso
16:02:21 <ehsan> lol
16:02:34 <olivier> agenda+  review of action items
16:02:39 <olivier> agenda+ state of testing
16:02:46 <olivier> agenda+ issues tagging
16:03:08 <olivier> Regrets+ shepazu
16:03:37 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:03:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of action items" taken up [from olivier]
16:03:39 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
16:04:03 <cwilso> ot: looking at action items, let's take up action-74
16:04:07 <cwilso> action-75
16:04:07 <trackbot> action-75 -- Ehsan Akhgari to Add issue in github about disconnected scriptprocessornode, mention to be added in the spec -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
16:04:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/75
16:04:10 <cwilso> action-74
16:04:10 <trackbot> action-74 -- Chris Wilson to Create an issue in github, summarise thread at http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-audio/2013julsep/thread.html#msg1812 -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:04:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/74
16:05:15 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg1812
16:06:04 <cwilso> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/8#issuecomment-25551065
16:06:37 <olivier> close action-74
16:06:37 <trackbot> Closed action-74.
16:07:00 <olivier> close action-76
16:07:00 <trackbot> Closed action-76.
16:07:06 <olivier> close action-77
16:07:06 <trackbot> Closed action-77.
16:08:10 <olivier> action-66 due in 2 weeks
16:08:10 <trackbot> Set action-66 Look into what dezippering in webkit was based on due date to 2013-10-17.
16:08:17 <olivier> action-69 due in 2 weeks
16:08:17 <trackbot> Set action-69 Tidy up "how to contribute" section in wiki due date to 2013-10-17.
16:08:35 <olivier> action-70 due in 2 weeks
16:08:35 <trackbot> Set action-70 Look into migrating all webaudio issues from bugzilla to github due date to 2013-10-17.
16:08:55 <cwilso> ot: this is pending, looking into with system team on how to do without spamming list.
16:09:08 <cwilso> action-73?
16:09:08 <trackbot> action-73 -- Paul Adenot to Document resolution of issue 127 (keep must) and add issue for the addition of a mathematically accurate oscillator -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
16:09:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/73
16:09:24 <olivier> action-73 closed
16:09:24 <trackbot> Closed action-73.
16:09:28 <cwilso> ot: resulted in GH issue #244.
16:09:37 <cwilso> ot: last action: action-75?
16:09:40 <cwilso> action-75?
16:09:41 <trackbot> action-75 -- Ehsan Akhgari to Add issue in github about disconnected scriptprocessornode, mention to be added in the spec -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
16:09:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/75
16:09:48 <olivier> close action-75
16:09:48 <trackbot> Closed action-75.
16:09:57 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 1
16:09:57 <Zakim> agendum 1, review of action items, closed
16:09:57 <cwilso> ot: done with open actions
16:09:58 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:58 <Zakim> 2. state of testing [from olivier]
16:10:33 <cwilso> agenda+ unprefixing
16:11:11 <cwilso> ot: 1) is anyone working on tests, and 2) does anyone have plans to submit batches of tests?
16:11:30 <cwilso> ea: not on our side, that I know of.
16:11:39 <cwilso> jn: I know of no plans on our side
16:12:01 <cwilso> cw: low priority on our side as well.  :(
16:12:19 <cwilso> ot: I know we have one engineer who is working on looking at tests
16:12:56 <cwilso> ot: Anthony has been looking at a way to create simple tests where the output of the WA API is compared to a reference created in pure JS
16:13:03 <ehsan> q+
16:13:12 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
16:13:26 <cwilso> ot: feedback from him so far is that it's a bit difficult to work on this.
16:13:34 <cwilso> ds: I have car problems.
16:14:01 <shepazu> s/car/mental/
16:14:01 <cwilso> ot: since there doesn't seem to be a specific style guide for creating tests in WPTests, it's a bit wild west.
16:14:45 <cwilso> ot: any notes on testing question?
16:14:59 <cwilso> ea: did Anthony look at the testing work we have in Gecko?
16:15:54 <cwilso> agenda+ MIDI support
16:16:16 <olivier> q?
16:16:18 <cwilso> ea: will dig up notes on Gecko's testing
16:16:20 <olivier> ack ehsan
16:16:29 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 2
16:16:29 <Zakim> agendum 2, state of testing, closed
16:16:31 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:16:31 <Zakim> 3. issues tagging [from olivier]
16:16:36 <olivier> zakim, agenda?
16:16:36 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:16:37 <Zakim> 3. issues tagging [from olivier]
16:16:37 <Zakim> 4. unprefixing [from cwilso]
16:16:37 <Zakim> 5. MIDI support [from cwilso]
16:17:07 <cwilso> ot: let's skip agendum 3, move on to 4.
16:17:12 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:17:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "unprefixing" taken up [from cwilso]
16:17:36 <olivier> cwilso: wanted to raise topic of unprefixing on blink end
16:17:44 <olivier> ... knowing moz wants to ship unprefixed soon
16:17:54 <olivier> ... we want to ship uprefixed web audio
16:18:05 <olivier> ... need to know support from other vendors
16:18:35 <olivier> ... thoughts from the crowd?
16:18:52 <olivier> ... we plan to support prefixed webaudio, not support old names/interfaces in unprefixed mode
16:19:06 <olivier> ... and migrate people to unprefixed as quickly as possible, then remove support for prefixed
16:19:58 <olivier> ehsan: we support this
16:20:02 <ehsan> olivier: this is the link for the testing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg12
16:20:07 <olivier> ... plan to ship unprefixed in FF25
16:20:13 <ehsan> \o/
16:21:15 <olivier> olivier: documentation for unprefixed webaudio?
16:21:28 <olivier> shepazu: still a bit rough, but it's there on webplatform docs
16:21:37 <olivier> ... notice MDN has great doc
16:22:00 <olivier> ... would it be OK to include it into WPDocs?
16:22:23 <olivier> ehsan: don't see any reason why anyone would object
16:22:45 <olivier> ACTION: shepazu to make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio
16:22:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio [on Doug Schepers - due 2013-10-10].
16:23:02 <olivier> shepazu: maybe worth having a specific piece about the unprefixing?
16:23:07 <ehsan> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web_Audio_API/Porting_webkitAudioContext_code_to_standards_based_AudioContext
16:23:15 <olivier> ... and make sure other docs are in sync
16:24:11 <olivier> cwilso: we will post something, probably not huge. Will post updates to html5rocks too
16:25:03 <olivier> shepazu: cwilso, I know you will yalk at html5 dev conf, that's an opportunity to talk about this
16:25:16 <cwilso> s/yalk/talk
16:26:04 <cwilso> ot: Jer, what's your plan?
16:26:58 <cwilso> jn: we have a longer cycle; next window of opportunity is (with disclaimer of we don't talk about future plans) when next OS release is shipped.
16:27:10 <cwilso> jn: similar with iOS Safari.
16:27:24 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 4
16:27:24 <Zakim> agendum 4, unprefixing, closed
16:27:25 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:27:25 <Zakim> 3. issues tagging [from olivier]
16:27:33 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:27:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "MIDI support" taken up [from cwilso]
16:27:48 <ehsan> shepazu: absolutely!
16:30:30 <cwilso> cw: knowing that Chrome is going to start disabling plugin support, and Mozilla has click-to-play, the lifetime of the plugin-based polyfill is coming to an end.  I wanted to drum up some moral support for the API - for review and support, at least.
16:30:47 <cwilso> ea: it's not that we don't take MIDI seriously, it's that we haven't had the bandwidth to review it.
16:30:56 <cwilso> ea: going to last call seems premature
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16:31:32 <cwilso> ot: need to indicate maturity, and garner review
16:31:58 <cwilso> ot: inside BBC, people are warming up to the idea of connecting devices
16:32:23 <cwilso> ot: definitely have interest in using it
16:33:49 <olivier> cwilso: understand that this is not really important until you have a solid web audio implementation, but I might have to drop it if it doesn't get more momentum
16:34:14 <olivier> cwilso: there is demand for it from people who'd code for it
16:34:32 <olivier> ... but without support from implementors (not necessarily implementation)
16:35:16 <olivier> ea: can't commit to a time, we don't have the right resources at the moment.
16:35:26 <olivier> ... have you talked to Apple/MS about it?
16:36:46 <cwilso> cw: have not re-approached Apple, but can do that; until MS gets interested in Web Audio, not sure there's much point in approaching them.
16:37:54 <olivier> olivier: are you basically looking for a statement saying "this is a good use case and looks reasonable as implementation"
16:38:17 <olivier> cwilso: would like a statement saying "it is a good idea to add this" from someone having read the spec at implementors'
16:39:09 <cwilso> agenda+ heartbeat drafts
16:39:21 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 5
16:39:21 <Zakim> agendum 5, MIDI support, closed
16:39:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:39:22 <Zakim> 3. issues tagging [from olivier]
16:39:29 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:39:29 <Zakim> agendum 6. "heartbeat drafts" taken up [from cwilso]
16:40:02 <cwilso> ot: as a WG, we are supposed to give the world a sign we're still alive
16:40:37 <cwilso> ot: are supposed to publish drafts approx every 3 months
16:41:05 <cwilso> last public WD was December '12.
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16:42:31 <cwilso> ot: we need to plan for the next heartbeat draft.  We should get changes done, and get consensus to publish.
16:42:49 <cwilso> ot: cw, what is your feeling on suitability of the drafts?
16:43:38 <olivier> cwilso: the MIDI draft, I really want to get the mapclass fixed before we republish
16:43:49 <olivier> ... atm it is an array, which is not appropriate
16:44:06 <olivier> ... I have a branch where the solutions isn't quite right either
16:44:18 <olivier> ... the solution in the issue is to use mapclass
16:44:32 <olivier> ... which is not quite clear - discussion in public-script-coord
16:44:39 <olivier> ... can be nailed down
16:45:26 <olivier> cwilso: if we have a hard target, and I have a week to schedule it, I think I can get it done
16:46:02 <olivier> cwilso: on the audio api, there have been a lot of changes
16:46:11 <olivier> ... we don't have those in the editor's draft
16:46:48 <olivier> ... even what we have in the editor's draft would be good to publish as a public WD
16:47:23 <olivier> cwilso: mentions periodicwave
16:48:50 <cwilso> cw: in short: in MIDI, I'd like to hammer out the MapClass change to inputs/outputs; on Web Audio, I'd find it useful even to publish what we have (but am okay with my co-editor hammering out changes prior)
16:49:33 <cwilso> pa: I think it's okay to publish one now and one later; we do have a bunch of changes we want to make, like ??? [didn't hear], but we could do that in a month or so.
16:50:12 <cwilso> ot: hearing no objections, I think we should publish a new Web Audio API Working Draft ASAP.
16:51:03 <cwilso> CW: we should add Paul and myself to the editors prior to publishing.
16:51:17 <olivier> http://webaudio.github.io/web-audio-api/
16:51:22 <cwilso> ot: we should change the editor's draft link as well
16:52:14 <olivier> ACTION: paul to change editors names and editor's draft link in web-audio draft
16:52:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Change editors names and editor's draft link in web-audio draft [on Paul Adenot - due 2013-10-10].
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16:52:38 <cwilso> OT: I'll see when we can publish that, although I'll be travelling in the week to come.
16:52:48 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 6
16:52:48 <Zakim> agendum 6, heartbeat drafts, closed
16:52:49 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:52:49 <Zakim> 3. issues tagging [from olivier]
16:53:32 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg1928
16:53:59 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/milestones?with_issues=no
16:54:39 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues?page=1&state=open
16:54:49 <cwilso> ot: we agreed we'd use milestones for milestones - V1, Vnext, and last call.  Whenever you have a bit of time, we should tag the current open issues (select milestones with no issues)
16:56:45 <cwilso> ot: do we need a tag for things that are urgent?
16:57:44 <cwilso> cw: something that means "should be discussed at next TC" might be good
16:58:04 <cwilso> ot: whether that needs to be a tag or not is unclear...
16:59:04 <olivier> Topic: next meeting
16:59:05 <cwilso> ot: next TC: October 17th?
16:59:05 <olivier> Oct 17
16:59:29 <cwilso> ot: sold!
16:59:35 <Zakim> -jernoble
16:59:46 <Zakim> -olivier
16:59:57 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:59:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:00:02 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
17:00:04 <Zakim> - +1.650.214.aaaa
17:00:57 <olivier> Present: cwilso, rgtoy, shepazu, olivier, ehsan, padenot, jer
17:00:58 <Zakim> -ehsan
17:00:59 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
17:00:59 <Zakim> Attendees were ehsan, +1.650.214.aaaa, jernoble, olivier, Doug_Schepers
17:01:26 <olivier> Present: cwilso, rgtoy, shepazu, olivier, ehsan, padenot, jer
17:01:31 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:05:30 <olivier> RRSAgent, bye
17:05:30 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-actions.rdf :
17:05:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to make sure web platform docs has up to date doc on web audio [1]
17:05:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-irc#T16-22-45
17:05:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paul to change editors names and editor's draft link in web-audio draft [2]
17:05:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/03-audio-irc#T16-52-14
17:05:33 <olivier> zakim, bye
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