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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<rbyers> can anyone see this? IRC seems to be acting up...
<sangwhan> rbyers: I can see your messages
AB: I posted a Draft agenda
yesterday
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013JulSep/0048.html.
Any change requests?
... after the Draft agenda was submitted, a question was asked
re the relationship between the PE spec's pointerType and EMMA
spec
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013JulSep/0050.html.
We can add this to the end of meeting provided we have time or
reply on the list.
... any preference?
JR: I'd like to read it before discussing
RB: same here
JR: your suggestion Art probably makes sense
<jrossi> http://www.w3.org/TR/emma11/
… I'm not sure of the impl status
AB: good question
… pointerType ref is new in EMMA 1.1 (does not occur in the EMMA 1.0 REC)
… ok, so let's leave that for the list
RB: should we pay attention to this spec?
… or is it orthoganal
JR: I don't have any context
AV: same with me
AB: same here
JR: it could overlap with
PE
... not sure if they use an event model like PE does
AB: please everyone read up on this EMMA vs PE question
AB: any new news re implementations of the Pointer Events CR?
RB: re Chrome
… no big `landings`
… still need to re-architect gestures
… think we have consensus
… still need to `prove in code`
… it's a big job
… within a few weeks think we can land an impl of touch-action
AV: can you give any dates?
RB: depends on the reviewers
… my best guess is on the order of "3 weeks"
… Without this change, would have interop problems
… so we are being careful here re interop
AV: do you think you'll be ready for testing by end of October?
RB: that's probably pushing it
… probably won't be feature complete re touch-action by end of October
<rbyers> Bug to follow progress on chromium event flow re-architecture necessary for touch-ACTION: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=294239
MB: in Gecko, still have some Mozilla people + Msft Open Tech working on impl
… for touch-action still mostly talking about design
… we don't have any dates for completion yet
AB: is Rob O'Callahan part of the discussion?
MB: yes
AB: Matt submitted some comments re Microsoft's tests PR324 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/324.
<mbrubeck> On a side note, I'm working on a Firefox feature that would be much easier to build if we had touch-action implemented already: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915328
AB: a few of us (me, Matt, Cathy, Rick) agreed to review the tests based on a division by Matt.
<mbrubeck> issue 45?
MB: I added the split/division to Tracker
<mbrubeck> issue 45
AB: ah, ok, good
action-45?
<trackbot> action-45 -- Matt Brubeck to Divide up msft's tests for review by rick, cathy, art and matt -- due 2013-09-17 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/45
AB: my status is that the PE review was trumped by a commitment to review Web IDL tests
… but that is done
… so I will Q up PE review next
RB: I just started looking
… I have some questions about the process
… As we review, should we run them?
… i.e. to test the tests or just review
… Would love to test with Polymer or something
… I'd feel more comfortable if I can run the test
MB: yes, I agree need to run them
AB: I agree
AV: can run with Polymer and Chrom
JR: if wait until Oct 18, IE11 on Windows 8.1 will be available
… expect banners to "get Windows 8.1 for free"
RB: should people then wait until Oct 18 to test?
JR: check my e-mail; notes IE11
preview for Windows 7
... the tests we submitted were run against IE for Windows
8.1
AV: are there other submissions?
AB: yes and Scott is blocking on the review of Microsoft's tests is complete
SG: yes, that's true
CC: I'll try to test them on Windows 7 and IE11 Preview
… what about Windows Phone?
… what can we expect there?
JR: Windows Phone has the prefixed version of PE
MB: the TestTWF tests, what are we doing with them?
SG: Dave and I will meet in two weeks and go work on this
MB: thanks
AB: if you can help with any reviews, please do so
AB: Mozilla's Robert O'Callahan
submitted a comment "touch-action on elements that aren't
scrolled by their nearest scrollable element ancestor"
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013JulSep/0047.html
... Matt clarified Rob is working on the Gecko
implementation
JR: I think we can dig back to previous discussions with Tab and the CSS WG
… in the specific example, the behavior Rob describes is correct
… but not correct that it can't be prevented
… needs another touch-action rule to address this example
MB: can prevent on the inner most without affecting outter elements
… if touches on inner element never scrooll, touches on other elements should scroll
AB: Jacob, would you please reply to Rob?
JR: sure
MB: discussed on a Mozilla list
… question about if the algorithm
RB: algorithm is defined in terms of the DOM
… is the behavior in IE just dependent on the DOM
… and cannot be changed by altering the CSS
JR: that's correct
RB: with respect to compat, I think we just want to follow what IE did (keeping all things equal)
MB: this came up in the context of scrollable rectangles
… we are fine with either behavior, just want to make it clear
… and documented
JR: we've been thinking about test cases for this scenario
RB: that would be great
… f.ex. "scroll here and X should happen"
<scribe> ACTION: jacob Reply to Rob O'Callahan's e-mail re touch-action [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Reply to rob o'callahan's e-mail re touch-action [on Jacob Rossi - due 2013-10-08].
AB: we have some test cases
RB: I think we still need test cases, especially for touch-action
… don't want people to think we are "in good shape"
AV: we have some touch-action tests that we will submit
AB: great
RB: would be interested in hearing from Scott re Polymer and jQuery
SG: still working on it
… it is complicated
… lots of layers
… and difficult to debug
… best we can do is to test some demos
… error reporting isn't very good
… need to think more on how to make progress
… may have to create a pollyfill for old IE
… (IE 6, 7)
… So far, only one place we had a problem polyfilling and that is the getter
RB: please feel free to create PRs for Polymer
SG: hopefully we will soon have something to send
RB: ok, awesome, thanks for the update
AB: meeting adjourned
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